India and Pakistan
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
Mark A wrote: MSNBC says that if this war happened 20 million would die instantly and up as It's scary to see what would happen in case of nuclear conflict. Hospitals all over middle east Asia would be flooded. Look at these articles [Article 1](http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/28/wkash128.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/05/28/ixnewstop.html target=) Article 2 Mark A wrote: How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? This is a very complex issue. This link examines it very well. In my personal opinion it is just a matter of when. There is bound to be a war sometime or other.
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
Mark A wrote: How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? I dont know honestly. Yesterday Indian foreign minister Jaswant Singh regretted Prez.Musharraf's TV speech.The US and UK are pressurising both countries to restrain.I guess the last straw might be if another terrorist attack happens!! Agnihothra
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Mark A wrote: MSNBC says that if this war happened 20 million would die instantly and up as It's scary to see what would happen in case of nuclear conflict. Hospitals all over middle east Asia would be flooded. Look at these articles [Article 1](http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/28/wkash128.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/05/28/ixnewstop.html target=) Article 2 Mark A wrote: How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? This is a very complex issue. This link examines it very well. In my personal opinion it is just a matter of when. There is bound to be a war sometime or other.
I could not get the first article to work. But I did read the others. The Impact of Nuclear Strike story was very frightening. I could have done without that. X| The Triangle of Tension was well written. Alot of the stuff that was mentioned in the story I have not seen on the news here. It is without a doubt more complex then I had originally thought. Mark A
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If India or Pak attack each other, there will be war, for sure. So this is an alternate suggestion I have. The US and UK can get their men into Kashmir and try and hunt dowen and attack the damned terrorist groups there. Just fry their asses. Since both India and Pakistan are against terrorism, both countries won't have a problem with this. Now I am wondering how I can get this idea across to Bush. It may not be possible :-( Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
What do you think about the talks that Russian Putin will have with both Indian and Pakistani leaders? Do you think anything good will come out of it? What are the relations between India and Russia these days?
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
If India or Pak attack each other, there will be war, for sure. So this is an alternate suggestion I have. The US and UK can get their men into Kashmir and try and hunt dowen and attack the damned terrorist groups there. Just fry their asses. Since both India and Pakistan are against terrorism, both countries won't have a problem with this. Now I am wondering how I can get this idea across to Bush. It may not be possible :-( Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Mark A wrote: MSNBC says that if this war happened 20 million would die instantly and up as It's scary to see what would happen in case of nuclear conflict. Hospitals all over middle east Asia would be flooded. Look at these articles [Article 1](http://www.portal.telegraph.co.uk/news/main.jhtml?xml=/news/2002/05/28/wkash128.xml&sSheet=/news/2002/05/28/ixnewstop.html target=) Article 2 Mark A wrote: How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? This is a very complex issue. This link examines it very well. In my personal opinion it is just a matter of when. There is bound to be a war sometime or other.
Rama Krishna wrote: There is bound to be a war sometime or other But why? We cannot allow a stupid terrorist minority to bring two countries into war! Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
Mark A wrote: How do people feel about this latest escalation. I for one find it quite scary. The immediate loss of life is one thing, however the aftermath will be horrible. Due to the population density 12 million can be reached quite easily. I read a far higher figure, but this was if both sides went after population centers rather than strategic sites. If it does occur, there may well be no Kashmir for them to fight over anymore. :-( My logic says that neither side can win a war against the other whether nuclear or not. Regardz Colin J Davies
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What do you think about the talks that Russian Putin will have with both Indian and Pakistani leaders? Do you think anything good will come out of it? What are the relations between India and Russia these days?
Konstantin Vasserman wrote: What are the relations between India and Russia these days? Pretty good I guess! I am not sure of Russia-Pak relations though! Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
I pray that nothing will come of it. I'm not too sure there's anybody listening anymore, but I'm still praying, just in case. I didn't invest 13 years in building the G.D. things hoping to see someone use one - the whole idea was deterrence, and on the whole, it worked for 40 years. But these megalomaniacs seem to want to destroy the world! Who gave these insane idiots the keys to nuclear madness? Would it be wrong for the US to simply step in, take away their toys, and leave them with sticks and stones to fight with? Would we not be criticized as bullies if we did? I see a lot of US bashing here, and on the whole, I have to agree with a bunch of it. But at the same time, I'm seeing calls here for us to do something to stop this, and I know that if we do, we'll be attacked for being the aggressor again. Whatever we do, we're condemned by the world court of public opinion - either for doing nothing, or for stepping on someone's toes. This is a regional conflict, something which we have usually tried to steer clear of. But when nukes are involved, and that lunatic in Pakistan seems all too ready to deploy them, it becomes an international - a world-wide - problem, and I don't see any way for us to stand aside and let matters take their course. We can't let things stand as they are, because it affects so very many people in so many lands, yet if we move to stop it, we will again become the "bad guys." We can't win... I feel very sad for the people of Kashmir. They're trying their best to eke out a living in conditions that would paralyze most of us pampered pets in the more fortunate regions of the world. They have little control over what happens to them - that will be decided by the conflicting powers that claim ownership of their territory. God, Yahweh, Allah, please protect them, as they may soon be extinct because of the fragile egos of a few world leaders... This madness has to end, and a glowing, glass-lined lake in the region formerly known as Kashmir is not an acceptable solution.
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
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Over the last couple of days things have been getting worse. Pakistan has tested 3 nuclear capable missles at India. MSNBC says that if this war happened 12 million would die instantly and up as high as 100 million total afterwards. How do people feel about this latest escalation. Does everyone still think nothing will come of it? Mark A
Here is a news extract from Times of India for my city Calcutts: Kolkata: India does not have an anti-ballistic system (ABS) to counter a Pakistani missile threat, defence and nuclear experts state. In layman’s language, it means that if Pakistan targets any of its missiles against this country, there is no system to destroy them. Citing the nuclear-capable Ghauri, defence analyst Bharat Karnad said on Monday that after its launch, it will zoom towards its Indian target at over seven miles per second. He said once detected on the radar, the Indian military will have barely a minute to respond to the threat. “This makes it absolutely impossible to destroy it,” he added. Incidentally, Pakistan too does not have an anti-missile system. Karnad said if the missile’s flying time from its launch pad to India was about 30 minutes, there would have been some chance of stopping its flight. But it is capable of striking places far away from Pakistan like Kolkata and Chennai within a few minutes after its launch. He said India had acquired a few units of S-300 anti-aircraft and missile system from Russia. He, however, doubted their effectiveness because they can be used only for small distances around Delhi. According to him, the only effective anti-ballistic unit is the Israeli Arrow-2 system, which India has been trying to acquire. However, the deal is being blocked by the US since they have collaborated with the Israelis in making the system. The Arrow-2 anti-missile system can detect missiles as far as 500 km away and intercept them a distance of 50 to 90 km. “The Patriot, used by the US in the Gulf War, was a failure as it could not prevent Iraqi Scuds from landing close to Tel Aviv,” said. The Arrow-2 system was not ready during the Gulf war.
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Konstantin Vasserman wrote: What are the relations between India and Russia these days? Pretty good I guess! I am not sure of Russia-Pak relations though! Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Nish - Native CPian wrote: Pretty good I guess! I am not sure of Russia-Pak relations though! Putin can help you guys take over Kashmir, because they helped fight the soviets in Afghanistan, although I don't see why you guys want it so badly. :confused: After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
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Here is a news extract from Times of India for my city Calcutts: Kolkata: India does not have an anti-ballistic system (ABS) to counter a Pakistani missile threat, defence and nuclear experts state. In layman’s language, it means that if Pakistan targets any of its missiles against this country, there is no system to destroy them. Citing the nuclear-capable Ghauri, defence analyst Bharat Karnad said on Monday that after its launch, it will zoom towards its Indian target at over seven miles per second. He said once detected on the radar, the Indian military will have barely a minute to respond to the threat. “This makes it absolutely impossible to destroy it,” he added. Incidentally, Pakistan too does not have an anti-missile system. Karnad said if the missile’s flying time from its launch pad to India was about 30 minutes, there would have been some chance of stopping its flight. But it is capable of striking places far away from Pakistan like Kolkata and Chennai within a few minutes after its launch. He said India had acquired a few units of S-300 anti-aircraft and missile system from Russia. He, however, doubted their effectiveness because they can be used only for small distances around Delhi. According to him, the only effective anti-ballistic unit is the Israeli Arrow-2 system, which India has been trying to acquire. However, the deal is being blocked by the US since they have collaborated with the Israelis in making the system. The Arrow-2 anti-missile system can detect missiles as far as 500 km away and intercept them a distance of 50 to 90 km. “The Patriot, used by the US in the Gulf War, was a failure as it could not prevent Iraqi Scuds from landing close to Tel Aviv,” said. The Arrow-2 system was not ready during the Gulf war.
This is absolutely the scariest part of the whole scenario. India and Pakistan have been at war over Kashmir before, involved in active fighting. However, the existence of a missile that can get to its target so rapidly means that there is a frightenly small amount of time for either side to respond to a launch. I understand there were several instances during the cold war between the US and USSR, where the early warning system detected a missile launch, but was mistaken. Possibly the only thing that stopped a counterstrike was the amount of time available to verify the launch. In the case of India and Pakistan, there is no time to verify. If one side detects a launch and has a policy of counterattack, then it has to push the button almost immediately. I fear that if Pakistan conduct another 'test' after hostilities have commenced, India will not see it as a test and launch.
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If India or Pak attack each other, there will be war, for sure. So this is an alternate suggestion I have. The US and UK can get their men into Kashmir and try and hunt dowen and attack the damned terrorist groups there. Just fry their asses. Since both India and Pakistan are against terrorism, both countries won't have a problem with this. Now I am wondering how I can get this idea across to Bush. It may not be possible :-( Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
I wish it was that simple Nish. One of the problems is that the Indian government believes (or is simply suggesting) that this is state sponsored terrorism. Pakistan has made similar accusations in the past I believe. As with most things like this, there is a whole lot more going on behind the scenes than the ordinary folk are aware of. Such is the way with politics. As for US and UK peacekeepers (they wont go in with any other mandate), I suggest that the governments of those two countries wouldnt want to touch this with a forty kilometer pole. Both countries run on public opinion, and only really ever do anything if there is something they have to lose. There is also a lot to lose going in. Can you imagine the public outcry if something happened to their soldiers? Especially if it fell into the nuclear category.
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Nish - Native CPian wrote: Pretty good I guess! I am not sure of Russia-Pak relations though! Putin can help you guys take over Kashmir, because they helped fight the soviets in Afghanistan, although I don't see why you guys want it so badly. :confused: After a poor performance in London in 1899, Steinitz went insane and died a year later on August 12, 1900 at Wards Island, N.Y.
I think its a geographically stategic buffer. Or the High ground. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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Here is a news extract from Times of India for my city Calcutts: Kolkata: India does not have an anti-ballistic system (ABS) to counter a Pakistani missile threat, defence and nuclear experts state. In layman’s language, it means that if Pakistan targets any of its missiles against this country, there is no system to destroy them. Citing the nuclear-capable Ghauri, defence analyst Bharat Karnad said on Monday that after its launch, it will zoom towards its Indian target at over seven miles per second. He said once detected on the radar, the Indian military will have barely a minute to respond to the threat. “This makes it absolutely impossible to destroy it,” he added. Incidentally, Pakistan too does not have an anti-missile system. Karnad said if the missile’s flying time from its launch pad to India was about 30 minutes, there would have been some chance of stopping its flight. But it is capable of striking places far away from Pakistan like Kolkata and Chennai within a few minutes after its launch. He said India had acquired a few units of S-300 anti-aircraft and missile system from Russia. He, however, doubted their effectiveness because they can be used only for small distances around Delhi. According to him, the only effective anti-ballistic unit is the Israeli Arrow-2 system, which India has been trying to acquire. However, the deal is being blocked by the US since they have collaborated with the Israelis in making the system. The Arrow-2 anti-missile system can detect missiles as far as 500 km away and intercept them a distance of 50 to 90 km. “The Patriot, used by the US in the Gulf War, was a failure as it could not prevent Iraqi Scuds from landing close to Tel Aviv,” said. The Arrow-2 system was not ready during the Gulf war.
bakhtawar wrote: The Arrow-2 anti-missile system can detect missiles as far as 500 km away and intercept them a distance of 50 to 90 km. From some publications here (Israel) it appears India bought the detecting radar, which is pure Israeli. Also the detection range is twice as large. bakhtawar wrote: “The Patriot, used by the US in the Gulf War, was a failure as it could not prevent Iraqi Scuds from landing close to Tel Aviv,” As some one which got a scud 200 meters from his house I can testify for this :) The patriots only made more damage when missing scuds.
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Rama Krishna wrote: There is bound to be a war sometime or other But why? We cannot allow a stupid terrorist minority to bring two countries into war! Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
Do you really think this is about terrorism , as an outsider it looks like the ancient clash between Hindus and Muslims , terrorism seems to be just this years excuse ? Ain't nobody ever told you : There ain't no sanity clause .Groucho Marks
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If India or Pak attack each other, there will be war, for sure. So this is an alternate suggestion I have. The US and UK can get their men into Kashmir and try and hunt dowen and attack the damned terrorist groups there. Just fry their asses. Since both India and Pakistan are against terrorism, both countries won't have a problem with this. Now I am wondering how I can get this idea across to Bush. It may not be possible :-( Nish
Regards, Nish Native CPian. Born and brought up on CP. With the CP blood in him.
I'm not sure how against terrorism Pakistan really is. Whilst the government may talk the talk, the people on the ground are too easily corruptable. The fact that so many terrorists escaped from Afghanistan is proof of that. Michael :-)
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I wish it was that simple Nish. One of the problems is that the Indian government believes (or is simply suggesting) that this is state sponsored terrorism. Pakistan has made similar accusations in the past I believe. As with most things like this, there is a whole lot more going on behind the scenes than the ordinary folk are aware of. Such is the way with politics. As for US and UK peacekeepers (they wont go in with any other mandate), I suggest that the governments of those two countries wouldnt want to touch this with a forty kilometer pole. Both countries run on public opinion, and only really ever do anything if there is something they have to lose. There is also a lot to lose going in. Can you imagine the public outcry if something happened to their soldiers? Especially if it fell into the nuclear category.
Mr Morden wrote: As for US and UK peacekeepers (they wont go in with any other mandate), I suggest that the governments of those two countries wouldnt want to touch this with a forty kilometer pole. Correct. Peace talks are one thing, but military involment is another. I think everyone else is better off out of this one. Simon I need your clothes, your boots, and your copy of VS.NET. Sonork ID 100.10024
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