Time to rethink everything we know about physics
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
trolling again?
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trolling again?
Rob Graham wrote:
trolling again?
Did you fail to see the sarcasm in my message title?
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
DemonPossessed wrote:
Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures.
Of course, isn't it obvious? When God created the stars, 6000 years back, he wanted us, his servants, to admire his handy work right away. If he was capable of materializing entire galaxies out of nothing, creating light rays directed from all points in the universe down to Earth should have been a piece of cake. :rolleyes:
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
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DemonPossessed wrote:
Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures.
Of course, isn't it obvious? When God created the stars, 6000 years back, he wanted us, his servants, to admire his handy work right away. If he was capable of materializing entire galaxies out of nothing, creating light rays directed from all points in the universe down to Earth should have been a piece of cake. :rolleyes:
- Is God willing to prevent evil, but not able? Then he is impotent. - Is he able, but not willing? Then he is malevolent. - Is he both able and willing? Whence then is evil? - Is he neither able nor willing? Then why call him God? Epicurus
And the really amazing thing is that he made the galaxies fully evolved with stars already billions of years old. Except for the ones further away, of course. :~
Please excuse my refusal to participate in the suicide of western civilization
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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DemonPossessed wrote:
God created all the stars with light already present
Why would he do all that and then create Joshua Henize? No, sorry, there cant be a God.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
fat_boy wrote:
Why would he do all that and then create Joshua Henize?
Maybe to give his creations that he blessed with an IQ of over 60 something to laugh at and feel superior over?
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
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fat_boy wrote:
Why would he do all that and then create Joshua Henize?
Maybe to give his creations that he blessed with an IQ of over 60 something to laugh at and feel superior over?
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
DemonPossessed wrote:
Maybe to give his creations that he blessed with an IQ of over 60 something to laugh at and feel superior over?
Thats a good point. Taunting stupid animals isnt as much fun as taunting the SB resident Undermensch.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
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DemonPossessed wrote:
Maybe to give his creations that he blessed with an IQ of over 60 something to laugh at and feel superior over?
Thats a good point. Taunting stupid animals isnt as much fun as taunting the SB resident Undermensch.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
modified on Wednesday, April 9, 2008 2:38 AM
Just after closing time at the pub eh fat_boy? ;P
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
What sort of mentally deficient fuckwit would believe such utter garbage? Oh, asked and answered.
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What sort of mentally deficient fuckwit would believe such utter garbage? Oh, asked and answered.
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digital man wrote:
What sort of mentally deficient fuckwit would believe such utter garbage?
The same people who believe in AGW.
Morality is indistinguishable from social proscription
:laugh:
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
They got one important point wrong:-
DemonPossessed wrote:
The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C..
That is factually not true. The Bible does not date creation not does it provide any way of doing so accurately. All such dates are derived from analysis of family trees which while being 100% accurate in the information they present don't claim to include all the generations, nor do they record the life spans of many of those who are named which may in the earliest generations have been many hundreds of years. There are a number of explanations for the light from distant stars of which the one quoted is just one. Most of the others I'm aware of centre around the concept of a variable speed of light, yes that contradicts Einstein but that's not a problem if he was wrong. The speed of light has never been measured beyond the near gravitational field of our star and there is some evidence that it may increase as gravity weakens. There is also accumulating trend evidence that the speed of light may be slowing over time and may therefore have been faster in the past. Neither of these interesting theories would make up for the billions of light years distances now claimed by cosmologists for the most distant stars but that in itself is not a problem anyone needs to solve as they do not in fact have any evidence that the stars they're looking at are that far away. The 'measurement' is based entirely on circular reasoning and is as such essentially ficticious, much like the 4000 B.C. date for creation :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
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They got one important point wrong:-
DemonPossessed wrote:
The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C..
That is factually not true. The Bible does not date creation not does it provide any way of doing so accurately. All such dates are derived from analysis of family trees which while being 100% accurate in the information they present don't claim to include all the generations, nor do they record the life spans of many of those who are named which may in the earliest generations have been many hundreds of years. There are a number of explanations for the light from distant stars of which the one quoted is just one. Most of the others I'm aware of centre around the concept of a variable speed of light, yes that contradicts Einstein but that's not a problem if he was wrong. The speed of light has never been measured beyond the near gravitational field of our star and there is some evidence that it may increase as gravity weakens. There is also accumulating trend evidence that the speed of light may be slowing over time and may therefore have been faster in the past. Neither of these interesting theories would make up for the billions of light years distances now claimed by cosmologists for the most distant stars but that in itself is not a problem anyone needs to solve as they do not in fact have any evidence that the stars they're looking at are that far away. The 'measurement' is based entirely on circular reasoning and is as such essentially ficticious, much like the 4000 B.C. date for creation :)
Nothing is exactly what it seems but everything with seems can be unpicked.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
There are a number of explanations for the light from distant stars of which the one quoted is just one. Most of the others I'm aware of centre around the concept of a variable speed of light, yes that contradicts Einstein but that's not a problem if he was wrong.
Also, with cosmic inflation (which concept is "respectable"), would not one get the appearance, from our present point of view, of light having "travelled" for a longer span of time then if had actually done.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
There is also accumulating trend evidence that the speed of light may be slowing over time and may therefore have been faster in the past.
Also, these days, most (even all?) measurements of the spead of light take their time-measurement from atomic clocks. But, atomic decay is linked to the speed of light. ... SO, if 'c' were indeed decaying at this moment, comparison of such measurements could not show the decay.
Matthew Faithfull wrote:
Neither of these interesting theories would make up for the billions of light years distances now claimed by cosmologists for the most distant stars but that in itself is not a problem anyone needs to solve as they do not in fact have any evidence that the stars they're looking at are that far away. The 'measurement' is based entirely on circular reasoning and is as such essentially ficticious, much like the 4000 B.C. date for creation :)
Pretty much, on both. But, even with that circular reasoning, the astronomical distances currently claimed by astronomers and cosmologists can be quite flexible. NewScientist.com: Spiral arm of Milky Way looms closer than thought[^]
One of the Milky Way's star-studded spiral arms lies twice as close to Earth as some previous estimates suggested. New research has produced the most accurate distance measurement ever made of the arm, which could help astronomers understand how our galaxy's spiral structure formed. ... Astronomers using this technique had previously estimated the distance to Perseus, the arm immediately beyond the Sun, at more than 13,000 light years. B
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
God also gave you a brain, which you seemingly have yet to use. If the universe is only 6000 years old, how do you explain the nearest galaxy as being LIGHT YEARS away? You truly have no common sense in your brain waves.
John P.
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http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/Basics/god_is_amazing.htm[^] Quote From Site: Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
I'm a Christian: I *know* that I'm perverted. - Ilion
DemonPossessed wrote:
Light from the farthest known star from earth would take about 477 million years to reach the earth. Contrary to what astronomers say, you are not looking 477 million years into the past. The Bible dates creation at around 4,000 B.C.. The Bible records the creation of all stars on the fourth day of creation. So at the oldest, you might be looking back into time a little over 6,000 years. The evolutionists and astronomers that don't know God can laugh at such a statement, but I am certainly in harmony with the eternal Word of God. God created all the stars with light already present at the earth. For the unbeliever such truth may sound preposterous, but it is the plain teaching of the Scriptures. God created the stars for mankind, to provide light in the night skies. This light was already present when God created man on the sixth day of creation. I believe the Holy Bible!
:laugh: Oh dear God. It's easy - after all he was busy faking dinosaur bones so it's no bother for him to put some lighting in their while he's at it. :rolleyes:
Deja View - the feeling that you've seen this post before.
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God also gave you a brain, which you seemingly have yet to use. If the universe is only 6000 years old, how do you explain the nearest galaxy as being LIGHT YEARS away? You truly have no common sense in your brain waves.
John P.
jparken wrote:
God also gave you a brain, which you seemingly have yet to use. If the universe is only 6000 years old, how do you explain the nearest galaxy as being LIGHT YEARS away? You truly have no common sense in your brain waves.
Only minds can think. Also, you seem to be suffering the delusion that "science" equals truth. Now, perhaps the universe really is 13 billions (or whatever is the constantly changing number) of years old. But, since the claim is merely a scientific "fact" (i.e. an assertion made by (some) scientists on the basis of certain assumptions, and not necessarily true, nor even particularly about truth in the first place) how could anyone ever *know* this assertion to be true? Much as one cannot use logic to refute (the rules of) logic, one cannot use "science" to verify the assertions of "science."
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