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    Paul Watson
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    Does anybody know of a by country/city list of Microsoft Certified Trainers? Specifically we need a .NET trainer based in Cape Town who is willing to do onsite training for some staff. I spoke to Microsoft SA but they would not give me a list as they are affiliated with the training companies and individual trainers would undermine that blah blah, so much for MCP status huh. Also has anyone done exam 70-315? Hard? Easy? Shouldn't bother with training? ta :)

    Paul Watson
    Bluegrass
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    Ray Cassick wrote: Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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      Does anybody know of a by country/city list of Microsoft Certified Trainers? Specifically we need a .NET trainer based in Cape Town who is willing to do onsite training for some staff. I spoke to Microsoft SA but they would not give me a list as they are affiliated with the training companies and individual trainers would undermine that blah blah, so much for MCP status huh. Also has anyone done exam 70-315? Hard? Easy? Shouldn't bother with training? ta :)

      Paul Watson
      Bluegrass
      Cape Town, South Africa

      Ray Cassick wrote: Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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      I don´t have access to mcpmag secure site anymore, but there´s a list of MCTs there... maybe you can find any from Cape Town www.mcpmag.com[^] Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:

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        I don´t have access to mcpmag secure site anymore, but there´s a list of MCTs there... maybe you can find any from Cape Town www.mcpmag.com[^] Mauricio Ritter - Brazil Sonorking now: 100.13560 MRitter :jig: I've gone sending to outer space, to find another race :jig:

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        Mauricio Ritter wrote: I don´t have access to mcpmag secure site anymore, but there´s a list of MCTs there... maybe you can find any from Cape Town Lovely, I will try it out, thanks Mauricio. The ironic thing is that the reason why I want a list of trainers is so that I can get training to become an MCP. Yet I need to be an MCP before I can get access to the list. Ironic huh? MS don't want anyone using individual trainers, only accredited training houses.

        Paul Watson
        Bluegrass
        Cape Town, South Africa

        Ray Cassick wrote:
        Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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          Mauricio Ritter wrote: I don´t have access to mcpmag secure site anymore, but there´s a list of MCTs there... maybe you can find any from Cape Town Lovely, I will try it out, thanks Mauricio. The ironic thing is that the reason why I want a list of trainers is so that I can get training to become an MCP. Yet I need to be an MCP before I can get access to the list. Ironic huh? MS don't want anyone using individual trainers, only accredited training houses.

          Paul Watson
          Bluegrass
          Cape Town, South Africa

          Ray Cassick wrote:
          Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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          Paul Watson wrote: MS don't want anyone using individual trainers, only accredited training houses. Exactly, this is their policy, because they believe training is more than a MCT: it includes books, (maybe) a laboratory and sometimes several MCT to teach you different aspects of the technology, simulated examinations and so. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik

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            Paul Watson wrote: MS don't want anyone using individual trainers, only accredited training houses. Exactly, this is their policy, because they believe training is more than a MCT: it includes books, (maybe) a laboratory and sometimes several MCT to teach you different aspects of the technology, simulated examinations and so. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik

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            Daniel Turini wrote: Exactly, this is their policy, because they believe training is more than a MCT: it includes books, (maybe) a laboratory and sometimes several MCT to teach you different aspects of the technology, simulated examinations and so. Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. For instance many accredited training houses refuse to tailor their courses for us. I understand they have systems and I understand those are the recommended course modules needed to pass, but sometimes we actually DO know what we need and what we don't. All we need is to pass one exam, yet they, like every true salesmen, try to sell us the whole elephant and the elephant leather suitcases. So I don't think we get impartial advice from them. Also our aim is to get two or three good trainers that we can rely on to come in and train up our chaps whenever needed. Obviously they would source the right books and assess what modules we need and don't need. Really MS should let us decide. MS simply needs to police the quality of the qualification and recognise those campuses and individual trainers who are trustworthy so that we can then choose. Also this whole campus push seems a bit of a farce when you consider that MS themselves provide an online store where you can buy all the required material and DIY. Maybe MS simply sees that there is more money in backing campuses (who can give kick-back) than individual trainers who won't give kick-back.

            Paul Watson
            Bluegrass
            Cape Town, South Africa

            Ray Cassick wrote:
            Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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              Daniel Turini wrote: Exactly, this is their policy, because they believe training is more than a MCT: it includes books, (maybe) a laboratory and sometimes several MCT to teach you different aspects of the technology, simulated examinations and so. Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. For instance many accredited training houses refuse to tailor their courses for us. I understand they have systems and I understand those are the recommended course modules needed to pass, but sometimes we actually DO know what we need and what we don't. All we need is to pass one exam, yet they, like every true salesmen, try to sell us the whole elephant and the elephant leather suitcases. So I don't think we get impartial advice from them. Also our aim is to get two or three good trainers that we can rely on to come in and train up our chaps whenever needed. Obviously they would source the right books and assess what modules we need and don't need. Really MS should let us decide. MS simply needs to police the quality of the qualification and recognise those campuses and individual trainers who are trustworthy so that we can then choose. Also this whole campus push seems a bit of a farce when you consider that MS themselves provide an online store where you can buy all the required material and DIY. Maybe MS simply sees that there is more money in backing campuses (who can give kick-back) than individual trainers who won't give kick-back.

              Paul Watson
              Bluegrass
              Cape Town, South Africa

              Ray Cassick wrote:
              Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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              Paul Watson wrote: Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. I agree. I've said that MS believes it, not me :) Paul Watson wrote: For instance many accredited training houses refuse to tailor their courses for us. I understand they have systems and I understand those are the recommended course modules needed to pass, but sometimes we actually DO know what we need and what we don't. All we need is to pass one exam, yet they, like every true salesmen, try to sell us the whole elephant and the elephant leather suitcases. So I don't think we get impartial advice from them. Well, I have 11 certifications and at first I bought a 4-course and exams pack from "Brás e Figueiredo" here. I regret that. They had the most delicious snacks for the coffee breaks, but those are the most expensive snacks I've ever bought. Not because the course quality, they are very good indeed. It's because I already known almost everything they were teaching there. You have this mixed feeling: "I paid for this, so I should be here everyday!", or "WTF, I'm losing time here, and the money is already spent!". The other 7 certifications, VC++ included, I've took the self-training way and it's fast, easy and cheap. I've seen your code in CP before and I believe you do not need a certification course. Get some simulated exams, and go! Two or three failed exams are still 20% of the price of a course. I think that certification courses are good for people that are starting a path, not in the last mile, like you. And you can always have your questions answered in CP forums, if you have one. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik

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                Paul Watson wrote: Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. I agree. I've said that MS believes it, not me :) Paul Watson wrote: For instance many accredited training houses refuse to tailor their courses for us. I understand they have systems and I understand those are the recommended course modules needed to pass, but sometimes we actually DO know what we need and what we don't. All we need is to pass one exam, yet they, like every true salesmen, try to sell us the whole elephant and the elephant leather suitcases. So I don't think we get impartial advice from them. Well, I have 11 certifications and at first I bought a 4-course and exams pack from "Brás e Figueiredo" here. I regret that. They had the most delicious snacks for the coffee breaks, but those are the most expensive snacks I've ever bought. Not because the course quality, they are very good indeed. It's because I already known almost everything they were teaching there. You have this mixed feeling: "I paid for this, so I should be here everyday!", or "WTF, I'm losing time here, and the money is already spent!". The other 7 certifications, VC++ included, I've took the self-training way and it's fast, easy and cheap. I've seen your code in CP before and I believe you do not need a certification course. Get some simulated exams, and go! Two or three failed exams are still 20% of the price of a course. I think that certification courses are good for people that are starting a path, not in the last mile, like you. And you can always have your questions answered in CP forums, if you have one. lazy isn't my middle name.. its my first.. people just keep calling me Mel cause that's what they put on my drivers license. - Mel Feik

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                Daniel Turini wrote: I've seen your code in CP before and I believe you do not need a certification course. Get some simulated exams, and go! Two or three failed exams are still 20% of the price of a course. I think that certification courses are good for people that are starting a path, not in the last mile, like you. And you can always have your questions answered in CP forums, if you have one. :-O Appreciate the sentiment Daniel, thanks. Unfortuanatley though it is not just for me. Two co-workers need it as well and they have only just installed VS.NET. Thanks for all the hard won advice, much appreciated :-D

                Paul Watson
                Bluegrass
                Cape Town, South Africa

                Ray Cassick wrote:
                Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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                  Daniel Turini wrote: Exactly, this is their policy, because they believe training is more than a MCT: it includes books, (maybe) a laboratory and sometimes several MCT to teach you different aspects of the technology, simulated examinations and so. Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. For instance many accredited training houses refuse to tailor their courses for us. I understand they have systems and I understand those are the recommended course modules needed to pass, but sometimes we actually DO know what we need and what we don't. All we need is to pass one exam, yet they, like every true salesmen, try to sell us the whole elephant and the elephant leather suitcases. So I don't think we get impartial advice from them. Also our aim is to get two or three good trainers that we can rely on to come in and train up our chaps whenever needed. Obviously they would source the right books and assess what modules we need and don't need. Really MS should let us decide. MS simply needs to police the quality of the qualification and recognise those campuses and individual trainers who are trustworthy so that we can then choose. Also this whole campus push seems a bit of a farce when you consider that MS themselves provide an online store where you can buy all the required material and DIY. Maybe MS simply sees that there is more money in backing campuses (who can give kick-back) than individual trainers who won't give kick-back.

                  Paul Watson
                  Bluegrass
                  Cape Town, South Africa

                  Ray Cassick wrote:
                  Well I am not female, not gay and I am not Paul Watson

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                  Paul Watson wrote: Yes but it is our money, our time and our choice. Did you forget the part where you said you were dealing with Microsoft? ;P Paul Watson wrote: Really MS should let us decide. Come on Paul, look at Microsoft's track record, you can't make decisions, they do it all for you. :-D Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "I personally love it because I can get as down and dirty as I want on the backend, while also being able to dabble with fun scripting and presentation games on the front end." - Chris Maunder 15/07/2002

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