Green washing gone mad
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Did you just read the title? The article explicitly states that global warming is still a thing, CO2 is the main culprit, and that it has negative effects.
While rising carbon dioxide concentrations in the air can be beneficial for plants, it is also the chief culprit of climate change. [...] The impacts of climate change include global warming, rising sea levels, melting glaciers and sea ice as well as more severe weather events. The beneficial impacts of carbon dioxide on plants may also be limited [...] “Studies have shown that plants acclimatize, or adjust, to rising carbon dioxide concentration and the fertilization effect diminishes over time.”"
Sure, CO2 may have some good effects for the earth, and earth will recover from any negative side-effects, and there will be new ice ages despite the current global warming. I'm just concerned about the effects it will have for us, humanity. Environmentalists aren't doing this to save the planet, or to nag you for that matter, they're doing it to save themselves and their children. However, you seem to think that actively turning the planet into a wasteland has no negative side-effects whatsoever. Let the Amazon burn, cut down the trees in Africa, let the icecaps melt, exhaust your fumes into the atmosphere, dump your plastic into the ocean... Biodiversity is so overrated. I'm not saying we're there yet, just that we're headed there if the trend from the past 100 years continues. And we're headed there fast with the current world population.
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Who cares what their stock disclaimer is, the planet is 20% greener since just the 1980s due to our CO2.
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Who cares what their stock disclaimer is, the planet is 20% greener since just the 1980s due to our CO2.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who cares what their stock disclaimer is
That's the whole point... The world is also a bit warmer since the 80s, which is exactly what we're trying to fights :| Ultimately, the effects CO2 has on global warming far outweighs the effects it has on greenery, especially if we cut down those trees and let them burn in rapid pace!
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
Who cares what their stock disclaimer is
That's the whole point... The world is also a bit warmer since the 80s, which is exactly what we're trying to fights :| Ultimately, the effects CO2 has on global warming far outweighs the effects it has on greenery, especially if we cut down those trees and let them burn in rapid pace!
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Sander Rossel wrote:
The world is also a bit warmer since the 80s, which is exactly what we're trying to fights
No we arent. 'We' are trying to fight large warming.
Sander Rossel wrote:
especially if we cut down those trees and let them burn in rapid pace
What has that got to do with anything? The effect of CO2 is mild warming and a large increase in plant growth, both of which are beneficial to the planet. Whether we turn trees into furniture or Orangutan houses is a completely different matter.
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Sander Rossel wrote:
The world is also a bit warmer since the 80s, which is exactly what we're trying to fights
No we arent. 'We' are trying to fight large warming.
Sander Rossel wrote:
especially if we cut down those trees and let them burn in rapid pace
What has that got to do with anything? The effect of CO2 is mild warming and a large increase in plant growth, both of which are beneficial to the planet. Whether we turn trees into furniture or Orangutan houses is a completely different matter.
Munchies_Matt wrote:
The effect of CO2 is mild warming
A warming of three degrees, which will melt icecaps, raise the sea level, and drown me at a few meters below sea level. It's already happening. Yay, go warming!
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
The effect of CO2 is mild warming
A warming of three degrees, which will melt icecaps, raise the sea level, and drown me at a few meters below sea level. It's already happening. Yay, go warming!
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No no no. Doubling CO2 in a dry climate leads to about 1.2C, thats 270 ppm to 540 ppm. We only got to 400 so far. The IPCC TAR adopted the value of 3.7 W/m2 for the direct CO2 forcing, and I could not find an updated value from the AR4. This forcing translates into 1C of surface temperature change.[^]
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Who cares what their stock disclaimer is, the planet is 20% greener since just the 1980s due to our CO2.
I watched a great movie made in 1946 and it showed - as seen from space - earth as very green. More recent images shows it is mostly blue. It's all about what you know (or assume) at the time.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
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I watched a great movie made in 1946 and it showed - as seen from space - earth as very green. More recent images shows it is mostly blue. It's all about what you know (or assume) at the time.
- I would love to change the world, but they won’t give me the source code.
The NASA study is from their LAI satellite, launched in the 80s, which measures the leaf area index.
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
The effect of CO2 is mild warming
A warming of three degrees, which will melt icecaps, raise the sea level, and drown me at a few meters below sea level. It's already happening. Yay, go warming!
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Last time I looked 26% of the Netherland was located up to seven meters below the surface.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
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Last time I looked 26% of the Netherland was located up to seven meters below the surface.
Wrong is evil and must be defeated. - Jeff Ello
The 26% bordering Germany, maybe. I live on the seaside so I'll be one of the first to get wet feet when the sea level rises :(
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Munchies_Matt wrote:
The effect of CO2 is mild warming
A warming of three degrees, which will melt icecaps, raise the sea level, and drown me at a few meters below sea level. It's already happening. Yay, go warming!
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Do you see? Co2 on it's own leads to very modest warming, and is beneficial to the planet. It increases growing season, reduces frost etc. If you are worried about the poles, then dont be, they are at temperatures of around -30 C, gaining 1C isnt going to make any difference except to summer melt in the arctic (where it can get quite warm), but it will refreeze again. And dont forget arctic melt has no effect on sea levels. This is fundamental to understanding climate change, this is purely physics, and is at the very core of the issue. You must understand without enhancement from an increase in water vapour, CO2 is not only safe it is beneficial. VERY beneficial.
