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I thought I knew C++ *sob* It has been inserting extra code on me this whole time.

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  • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

    I'm using C++17 gcc 12.2 or whatever. relatively recent i think. i've tried it on several platforms. clearly you're better at poring over that stuff than I am. It reads like japanese stereo instructions to me, and I get lost pretty easily. I didn't realize taking the return value of a function to a function that takes variadic arguments is undefined behavior. That's very weird to me, as I would have thought it would simply evaluate the function and then stick the return value in the register. Particularly since this is a constexpr function that's const all the way through I figured it would be optimized out. And it is kind of, in that it never calls anything. Anyway, thanks. I'll leave it there, as you seem impatient. Sorry to bother you.

    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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    Sorry, I was [wrong, about N2975](https://www.open-std.org/jtc1/sc22/WG14/www/docs/n3044.txt). It passed back in July with 17 Yes, 0 No and two abstains. I updated my post.

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    • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

      Tried on clang x86, gcc x86, gcc xtensa, gcc AVR.

      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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      k5054
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      #17

      What release of gcc/clang are you using? According to [Compiler Explorer](https://godbolt.org/) I get the following with clang 5.0 with -O1 -std=C++17:

      main: # @main
      push rax
      mov edi, .L.str
      mov esi, 65
      xor eax, eax
      call printf
      mov edi, .L.str
      mov esi, 65
      xor eax, eax
      call printf
      xor eax, eax
      pop rcx
      ret
      .L.str:
      .asciz "%c\n"

      And x86-64 gcc 5.1 with the same flags gives:

      .LC0:
      .string "%c\n"
      main:
      sub rsp, 8
      mov esi, 65
      mov edi, OFFSET FLAT:.LC0
      mov eax, 0
      call printf
      mov esi, 65
      mov edi, OFFSET FLAT:.LC0
      mov eax, 0
      call printf
      mov eax, 0
      add rsp, 8
      ret

      Those are both pretty old compilers - the first of their lines to support C++17 AFAICT. Both produce the same code for each call. So maybe something in the compiler flags you're passing?

      Keep Calm and Carry On

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      • K k5054

        What release of gcc/clang are you using? According to [Compiler Explorer](https://godbolt.org/) I get the following with clang 5.0 with -O1 -std=C++17:

        main: # @main
        push rax
        mov edi, .L.str
        mov esi, 65
        xor eax, eax
        call printf
        mov edi, .L.str
        mov esi, 65
        xor eax, eax
        call printf
        xor eax, eax
        pop rcx
        ret
        .L.str:
        .asciz "%c\n"

        And x86-64 gcc 5.1 with the same flags gives:

        .LC0:
        .string "%c\n"
        main:
        sub rsp, 8
        mov esi, 65
        mov edi, OFFSET FLAT:.LC0
        mov eax, 0
        call printf
        mov esi, 65
        mov edi, OFFSET FLAT:.LC0
        mov eax, 0
        call printf
        mov eax, 0
        add rsp, 8
        ret

        Those are both pretty old compilers - the first of their lines to support C++17 AFAICT. Both produce the same code for each call. So maybe something in the compiler flags you're passing?

        Keep Calm and Carry On

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        honey the codewitch
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        It probably has to do with the fact that I can't convince godbolt.org to allow me to remove their default compiler options and replace them with my own. I'm stuck with -o -whole-program or whatever. I used to be able to change it there somehow. Maybe someone exploited it and they turned off the feature.

        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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        • L Lost User

          I'm not on a PC tonight, it takes longer to type on my TV onscreen keyboard. It's not easy! :sigh: Anyways, I found some better material for you to read. [Variadic arguments - cppreference.com](https://en.cppreference.com/w/cpp/language/variadic\_arguments#Default\_conversions)

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          honey the codewitch
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          #19

          Well it's tomorrow. In case you're curious, I took the variadic arguments out of the code. I replaced printf with putchar. Same result.

              push    rbp
              mov     rbp, rsp
              sub     rsp, 16
              mov     DWORD PTR \[rbp-4\], edi
              mov     QWORD PTR \[rbp-16\], rsi
              mov     eax, 65 ; \*\*\*
              movsx   eax, al ; \*\*\*
              mov     edi, eax ;\*\*\*
              call    putchar
              mov     edi, 65  ;\*\*\*
              call    putchar
              mov     eax, 0
              leave
              ret
          

          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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          • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

            It probably has to do with the fact that I can't convince godbolt.org to allow me to remove their default compiler options and replace them with my own. I'm stuck with -o -whole-program or whatever. I used to be able to change it there somehow. Maybe someone exploited it and they turned off the feature.

            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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            #20

            I get the same results using g++ 5.5.0 on my local linux box. That would be a CentOS 7 system on which I compiled g++-5.5.0 from source. So, still wondering if its maybe the flags you're using.

            Keep Calm and Carry On

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            • K k5054

              I get the same results using g++ 5.5.0 on my local linux box. That would be a CentOS 7 system on which I compiled g++-5.5.0 from source. So, still wondering if its maybe the flags you're using.

              Keep Calm and Carry On

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              honey the codewitch
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              #21

              Looking at your output more carefully, your initial output is similar to mine. Your final output is less optimized, probably having to do with your compiler flags.

              To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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              • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                Well it's tomorrow. In case you're curious, I took the variadic arguments out of the code. I replaced printf with putchar. Same result.

                    push    rbp
                    mov     rbp, rsp
                    sub     rsp, 16
                    mov     DWORD PTR \[rbp-4\], edi
                    mov     QWORD PTR \[rbp-16\], rsi
                    mov     eax, 65 ; \*\*\*
                    movsx   eax, al ; \*\*\*
                    mov     edi, eax ;\*\*\*
                    call    putchar
                    mov     edi, 65  ;\*\*\*
                    call    putchar
                    mov     eax, 0
                    leave
                    ret
                

                To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                #22

                Ok, I tested this on my dev box, everything we talked about above in the C standard applies. And I get the same exact assembler output you get. Only with optimizations disabled. So I guess you have optimization disabled?

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                  Ok, I tested this on my dev box, everything we talked about above in the C standard applies. And I get the same exact assembler output you get. Only with optimizations disabled. So I guess you have optimization disabled?

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                  honey the codewitch
                  wrote on last edited by
                  #23

                  I have -o on godbolt.org and as I said somewhere else on this thread (I don't remember where or to whom) it seems to not be letting me change that. It used to, so I either can't find it again, or they've removed the feature.

                  To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                  • L Lost User

                    Ok, I tested this on my dev box, everything we talked about above in the C standard applies. And I get the same exact assembler output you get. Only with optimizations disabled. So I guess you have optimization disabled?

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                    honey the codewitch
                    wrote on last edited by
                    #24

                    I have -o on. I can't seem to find how to change that at godbolt.org. I just remembered there's a GCC pragma where I can change it but I can't remember what it is, and so I'm googling now to figure out what it is. Edit: Now I feel like an idiot. I thought -o did at least minimal optimizations but maybe the switch means something different unsuffixed. #pragma GCC optimize("Os") That reflects the default of my IoT build environment It fixes it, so maybe I'm worrying over nothing. I wish I could actually check my production code, but it relies on the Arduino framework, and I can't run that at godbolt. I've tried disassembler extensions in VSCode but none work with platformIO because it makes its own CMake/ninja scripts for everything on the fly.

                    To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                    • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                      I have -o on. I can't seem to find how to change that at godbolt.org. I just remembered there's a GCC pragma where I can change it but I can't remember what it is, and so I'm googling now to figure out what it is. Edit: Now I feel like an idiot. I thought -o did at least minimal optimizations but maybe the switch means something different unsuffixed. #pragma GCC optimize("Os") That reflects the default of my IoT build environment It fixes it, so maybe I'm worrying over nothing. I wish I could actually check my production code, but it relies on the Arduino framework, and I can't run that at godbolt. I've tried disassembler extensions in VSCode but none work with platformIO because it makes its own CMake/ninja scripts for everything on the fly.

                      To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                      #25

                      honey the codewitch wrote:

                      #pragma GCC optimize("Os") It fixes it

                      Awesome, I'm glad it's sorted out! Congratulations. Don't rely on the optimization pass. The C++ standards are correct. It's just that the optimization pass can rearrange code, remove functions and/or use intrinsics instead. The unoptimized code would be more standards compliant. :-D

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                        honey the codewitch wrote:

                        #pragma GCC optimize("Os") It fixes it

                        Awesome, I'm glad it's sorted out! Congratulations. Don't rely on the optimization pass. The C++ standards are correct. It's just that the optimization pass can rearrange code, remove functions and/or use intrinsics instead. The unoptimized code would be more standards compliant. :-D

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                        honey the codewitch
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                        #26

                        In general you're right, but in this case, there are special considerations. For starters, the toolchain is fixed to GCC, and other compilers simply don't have the backends to target what I target. So I have the luxury of using GCC specific things, and expecting GCC specific behavior, but I'm also saddled with GNU C++ vs STD C++ because the frameworks my code runs under require it, despite my code being (more) standard than GNU. That being said, I am counting on those optimizations because this is IoT, and this is critical code paths. That's why I'm looking at the asm output in the first place. :)

                        To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                        • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                          I have -o on. I can't seem to find how to change that at godbolt.org. I just remembered there's a GCC pragma where I can change it but I can't remember what it is, and so I'm googling now to figure out what it is. Edit: Now I feel like an idiot. I thought -o did at least minimal optimizations but maybe the switch means something different unsuffixed. #pragma GCC optimize("Os") That reflects the default of my IoT build environment It fixes it, so maybe I'm worrying over nothing. I wish I could actually check my production code, but it relies on the Arduino framework, and I can't run that at godbolt. I've tried disassembler extensions in VSCode but none work with platformIO because it makes its own CMake/ninja scripts for everything on the fly.

                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                          #27

                          honey the codewitch wrote:

                          I wish I could actually check my production code, but it relies on the Arduino framework, and I can't run that at godbolt. I've tried disassembler extensions in VSCode but none work with platformIO because it makes its own CMake/ninja scripts for everything on the fly.

                          If you are comfortable looking at assembler then you could analyze your Arduino code with [Ghidra](https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra).

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                            honey the codewitch wrote:

                            I wish I could actually check my production code, but it relies on the Arduino framework, and I can't run that at godbolt. I've tried disassembler extensions in VSCode but none work with platformIO because it makes its own CMake/ninja scripts for everything on the fly.

                            If you are comfortable looking at assembler then you could analyze your Arduino code with [Ghidra](https://github.com/NationalSecurityAgency/ghidra).

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                            honey the codewitch
                            wrote on last edited by
                            #28

                            Ooooh, you just made my morning. I was just looking for something like that and gave up at the time. Thanks. Edit: NVM it wasn't what I was thinking. I might be able to use it on my firmware.bin but I'm not sure how I would match the symbols back up to the source without it being aware of my build environment so it could load the symbols for each library's C or C++ source translation unit.

                            To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                              honey the codewitch wrote:

                              Yeah, that's not really the issue I'm having though.

                              :laugh: That's why the code there is being generated. It's promoting the char to 32 bits. The language spec calls it "default argument promotion" I have nothing more to add. Good luck

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                              #29

                              So the char must be sign-extended. But that does not, and cannot (due to the as-if rule), mean that the compiler must make that happen at run time, it can trivially be done at compile time after all.

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                                So the char must be sign-extended. But that does not, and cannot (due to the as-if rule), mean that the compiler must make that happen at run time, it can trivially be done at compile time after all.

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                                #30

                                Hmmm, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. You are obviously referring to the code optimization pass. But this sentence doesn't make sense.

                                harold aptroot wrote:

                                But that does not, and cannot, mean that the compiler must make that happen at run time

                                Nearly every compiler will perform the sign-extending at run time with optimization disabled, I just tested 4 MSVC versions few hours ago with the code at the top of this thread. Sure, it can be trivially optimized away.

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                                  Hmmm, I'm not really sure what you're saying here. You are obviously referring to the code optimization pass. But this sentence doesn't make sense.

                                  harold aptroot wrote:

                                  But that does not, and cannot, mean that the compiler must make that happen at run time

                                  Nearly every compiler will perform the sign-extending at run time with optimization disabled, I just tested 4 MSVC versions few hours ago with the code at the top of this thread. Sure, it can be trivially optimized away.

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                                  #31

                                  I decided against any further elaboration

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                                    I decided against any further elaboration

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                                    #32

                                    harold aptroot wrote:

                                    I decided against any further elaboration

                                    Because there isn't anything to elaborate. :laugh: :laugh: It's OK, we all make mistakes. I was waiting to see what you had to say though.

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                                      harold aptroot wrote:

                                      I decided against any further elaboration

                                      Because there isn't anything to elaborate. :laugh: :laugh: It's OK, we all make mistakes. I was waiting to see what you had to say though.

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                                      #33

                                      My mistake was talking to you at all. Don't worry, that won't happen again.

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                                        My mistake was talking to you at all. Don't worry, that won't happen again.

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                                        #34

                                        I have no idea what's happening here, I apologize if I've offended you. It wasn't intentional. Are you OK?

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                                        • honey the codewitchH honey the codewitch

                                          Tried on clang x86, gcc x86, gcc xtensa, gcc AVR.

                                          To err is human. Fortune favors the monsters.

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                                          #35

                                          I get

                                          main:
                                          .LFB31:
                                          .cfi_startproc
                                          endbr64
                                          subq $8, %rsp
                                          .cfi_def_cfa_offset 16
                                          movl $65, %edx
                                          leaq .LC0(%rip), %rsi
                                          movl $1, %edi
                                          movl $0, %eax
                                          call __printf_chk@PLT
                                          movl $65, %edx
                                          leaq .LC0(%rip), %rsi
                                          movl $1, %edi
                                          movl $0, %eax
                                          call __printf_chk@PLT
                                          movl $0, %eax
                                          addq $8, %rsp
                                          .cfi_def_cfa_offset 8
                                          ret

                                          with g++ -std=c++17 -O1 (g++ 9.4 on local linux box).

                                          "In testa che avete, Signor di Ceprano?" -- Rigoletto

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