Do u believe in god?
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Then you don't believe in God. The Christian God is mutually exclusive to any other God, and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. If Jesus is who He said He was, then Mohammed is a nut, and Buddha is just a fat guy. Did I just offend half of CP ? Probably. But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Then you don't believe in God. That's your opinion. Christian Graus wrote: and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. Sorry, you're wrong. Christian Graus wrote: But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Sorry, wrong again. I think your response is based on the Christian faith. I'm not suggesting you should think otherwise, but only pointing out that I accept all religions but follow none. I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. Do I require others to share my beliefs? Not at all. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
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Christian Graus wrote: Then you don't believe in God. That's your opinion. Christian Graus wrote: and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. Sorry, you're wrong. Christian Graus wrote: But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Sorry, wrong again. I think your response is based on the Christian faith. I'm not suggesting you should think otherwise, but only pointing out that I accept all religions but follow none. I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. Do I require others to share my beliefs? Not at all. /ravi Help put "civil" back into "civilization" http://www.ravib.com ravib@ravib.com
Ravi Bhavnani wrote: That's your opinion. Obviously I have no right to say what you 'believe', that is something that is in your head. What I mean is that you don't really believe in God, because your abstract belief in the concept of God is not tied to the concept that He has said anything, or that He does anything. I'm sure you have a belief of sorts, but it's not tied to the possibility of there actually being a concrete God, just the idea of one. Ravi Bhavnani wrote: Sorry, you're wrong. So Islam claims that Budda is right ? Hinduism claims that Jesus is the way to go ? Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I think your response is based on the Christian faith Pretty much :-) Ravi Bhavnani wrote: I don't believe that Jesus (Christianity), Allah (Muslim) or Lord Krishna (Hinduism), or any other figure is the supreme being, I just believe there is a supreme being. Why? Because it affords me comfort. OK - so we agree. You gain comfort from an abstract belief that does not require anything from you, because it does not involve a God who has represented Himself to us in any way. That is your right, of course. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
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A lot of people that don't follow the mainstream religions still look for something to give them spiritual guidance, some reason to why things happen, some mantra to meditate. This can be far from our core understanding of "religion", but still looks very much like an replacement. And be these three things just "pursue happiness", "money drives the world", and "fame, fame, fame". Atheists will by nature be skeptical of everything that *looks* like a religion, but there's more to believe in the world, than religions.
The earth is not dying. It is being killed.
I have noticed that a lot of people who don't believe in a mainstream religion end up creating some sort of homegrown religious theory. It seems to revolve around three things: (1) a happy afterlife, (2) a belief in a karma-like force (meaning that bad people will be punished, and good people are protected from harm), and (3) a belief that things are not random (similar to fate - that things happen for a reason, you have a soulmate, etc). All of them play the same role: they are all comforting ideas. Of course, I'm talking about people who consider themselves spiritual, but not religious, and they don't identify themselves as atheists, either. So, I guess my comment is a bit tangential to the thread. (But, then, your latest comment was about people who are outside the religous mainstream, rather than atheists, so I guess we're both being tangential.)
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Then you don't believe in God. The Christian God is mutually exclusive to any other God, and I'm sure other beliefs have similar tenets. If Jesus is who He said He was, then Mohammed is a nut, and Buddha is just a fat guy. Did I just offend half of CP ? Probably. But the point is that what different religions claim of God cannot co-exist. Christian I am completely intolerant of stupidity. Stupidity is, of course, anything that doesn't conform to my way of thinking. - Jamie Hale - 29/05/2002
I think Ravi can believe that all religions represent God to a certain degree and still be logically consistent. But you are right that major religions differ in significant ways, which means you have to ignore large sections of any single religion in order to make it fit together with the other ones. (Feel free to question why God would allow his revelation to get distorted to such a degree that the major religions appear mutually exclusive.) If I remember correctly (and Hindus can correct me because I know I don't have it exactly right), but Hindus generally believe that Gods of the major religions are different manifestations of one supreme being. I would compare this to taking a single body of water, freezing it, and making multiple ice-sculptures out of it. You can then melt the ice and have one body of water again. The water is the "god-stuff" while the ice-sculptures are the different Gods (Buddha, Christ, etc).
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
I dont belive in any God. I think the concept of a god would spoil to beauty of the nature as we know it. The very idea that everything aroud us - flowers, elephants, the moon, the city of Copenhagen and Byron's poetical works - would be the result of some design or creation (with or without a purpose) is so much less intriguing than the idea that it all occured by chance. By thinking that we were put on this planet for a reason, and that our souls will live on in some form after we die, we just show that humans are incapable of ever seeing the true beauty of chaos. We have the need to imagine that there is some kind of justice, that all wrongs will be punished and all good rewarded. And that we have a reason. That there are answers. I don't belive that scientists have the answers either. That is just the religion of biologists and physisists (counting myself as one of the latter). In hundreds of years people will laugh at what is modern science today. And just by going to the dentist* at 1345 tomorrow I will possibly decide who will exist to laugh, just like someone who dropped a basket of eggs on a dusty road a thousand years ago, in a place I will never visit, might have been the reason that I write this letter right now. Or not. And I am also very well aware that this sounds like a religion. I just didn't fell for one of the premade, so I made one up. That's what people do. Perhaps that's what frogs do as well - having a heaven like a infinite stinking dark swamp crawling with wingless flies and a hell full of French chefs, Can-Can dancers and champagne. I don't know. Noone does, I suppose. That's what makes us humans and not gods. At least in my humble opinion. /moliate * And I really hate going to the dentist. The very idea of a drill piercing through my teeth and having the hole filled with metal makes me shiver. On the other hand it might be cool: "Look, I'm now 0.0001% cyborg"
Two o'clock and walking through familiar London - Or what was familiar London before the cursor deleted certain certainties - I watch a suit and tie man giving suck to the Psion Organizer lodged in his breast pocket its serial interface like a cool mouth hunting his chest for sustenance, familiar feeling, and I'm watching my breath steam in the air.
Neil Gaiman - Cold Colours
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Yes I do! I'll be a liar if I say I don't. Edd wrote: Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. What does that got to do with anything else? You believe in God by faith not by reasoning. I always find strange sometime that people who don't believe in God (even those who believe) think they understand every concept. Many things have been destroyed and/or not recorded, thus leading the Bible (or other religion books) to appear inaccurate but they all have their purpose. They are there to save, but it all depends about Love, Forgiveness and Respect. I do respect you and I will pray that God forgive you for his purpose like He just did today. Glory be to God, now and forever, amen! Thank you and God bless you! One good thing about getting older, you don't lose the ages you've been!
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Yes i believe in "God" but not in the usual sense. I beleive that it is we who have created God as someone who we can look to for help in times of crisis. I absolutely do not believe in religion, for there is no reason why God would want to dictate how we worship him. May the Source be with you Sonork ID 100.9997 sijinjoseph
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Suggestion: The bible’s claim of it’s relation to a god is either false, or some or all of its accounts of god are false. Argument in favor of the above suggestion: Take the concept of revenge and forgiveness. These are both related as a result of a common source (reaction to being apparently violated). However it is not hard to see that forgiveness is not a modification of revenge, but an absolute correction (depending on wither you’re a Christian and consequently prefer forgiveness). If this is the case, then the claim that god is absolutely perfect has to be false. From this result one can only come to a conclusion of the above suggestion.
Edd wrote: Do u believe in god? I believe in god, not God. :) To be more precise. I believe in god like beings. They are as much part of, and a result of, our multi-verse as we are. "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Clarke's Third Law And the same goes for god like beings. As for the rest of your post you lost me on line two. :) regards, Paul Watson Bluegrass Cape Town, South Africa The greatest thing you'll ever learn is just to love, and to be loved in return - Moulin Rouge Tim Smith wrote: Over here in the third world of humor (a.k.a. BBC America), peterchen wrote: We should petition microsoft to a "target=_Paul" attribute.
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I have noticed that a lot of people who don't believe in a mainstream religion end up creating some sort of homegrown religious theory. It seems to revolve around three things: (1) a happy afterlife, (2) a belief in a karma-like force (meaning that bad people will be punished, and good people are protected from harm), and (3) a belief that things are not random (similar to fate - that things happen for a reason, you have a soulmate, etc). All of them play the same role: they are all comforting ideas. Of course, I'm talking about people who consider themselves spiritual, but not religious, and they don't identify themselves as atheists, either. So, I guess my comment is a bit tangential to the thread. (But, then, your latest comment was about people who are outside the religous mainstream, rather than atheists, so I guess we're both being tangential.)
Looks like the same tangent to me ;) I like to push the idea further: Don't people that believe all that counts is the matrass acrobatics, old and poor are loosers anyway, and "who has the money, rules the world" - don't they expose the same pillars of religion: purpose of life, distinction between good and bad, and driving force behind all miracles?
The earth is not dying. It is being killed.
