BAD NEWS FOR VEGETARIANS
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do plants feel pain?[^] i would like to learn from your point of views, A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all,while same thing is not with plants,since they dont have any central nervous system. what i think that plant DO sense like animals/humans but their mechanism is different which hasn`t been understood properly by scientist. whats the reality?:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Plants don't have a central nervous system, like you said. So I don't see how they could 'feel' pain like we do.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all
No. The reasons for abstaining from meat-eating could be religious, ethical, or health. Or maybe they just don't like meat. BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian. :) Cheers, Vikram.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A/c to vegs
Does this mean "according to vegetarians"? what does "A/C" stand for? A/c is short for Aircraft, or, as I'm more accustomed to, Air Conditioning (http://www.answers.com/topic/a-c-acronym[^]). BW
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
whats the reality?
I feel pain. Especially when i don't eat.
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Well, no, saying that vegetarians don't eat meat because the animal feels pain is a bit of a sweeping statement. Some people are vegetarians for religious reasons, some for ethical reasons (they don't see why an animal has to die to feed them etc). Some, such as myself, just don't like the taste and smell of meat. I suspect that the only people who will see this as BAD NEWS FOR VEGETARIANS are 13 year old girls with a liking for Hello Kitty.
Johnny ² wrote:
Some people are vegetarians for religious reasons
i think Hindus MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Plants don't have a central nervous system, like you said. So I don't see how they could 'feel' pain like we do.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all
No. The reasons for abstaining from meat-eating could be religious, ethical, or health. Or maybe they just don't like meat. BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian. :) Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
vikram i was havinf discussion with a barhamin friend,she was kinda saying same thing,for example,prohibition of killing of cow as its sacred,but what aboutother animals?which r not prohibited,in return she replied same tht plant dont feel pain while animals do. as far central nervous system aka BRAIN,plants might not have similar thing but there is some mechanism which makes them to SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement,touch-me-not plant etc... as far as being vegetarian jus for sake of NOT killing animals,i wonder why would a vagetrian wear a leather jacket or any other animal-skin made stuff?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian
its not bad to eat vegetables only,thousands of ppl in pakistan would be vegetarian too,no restriction at all. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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vikram i was havinf discussion with a barhamin friend,she was kinda saying same thing,for example,prohibition of killing of cow as its sacred,but what aboutother animals?which r not prohibited,in return she replied same tht plant dont feel pain while animals do. as far central nervous system aka BRAIN,plants might not have similar thing but there is some mechanism which makes them to SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement,touch-me-not plant etc... as far as being vegetarian jus for sake of NOT killing animals,i wonder why would a vagetrian wear a leather jacket or any other animal-skin made stuff?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian
its not bad to eat vegetables only,thousands of ppl in pakistan would be vegetarian too,no restriction at all. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement
Plants don't sense the light and consciously grow toward it. Light destroys growth hormone so the darker side grows faster bending the stem toward the light. I got an A in Botany 100. :cool:
The dark(er) side always grows faster :P
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement
Plants don't sense the light and consciously grow toward it. Light destroys growth hormone so the darker side grows faster bending the stem toward the light. I got an A in Botany 100. :cool:
Tim Craig wrote:
Light destroys growth hormone so the darker side grows faster bending the stem toward the light.
Light destroys auxin, which is responsible for cell elongation, so the cells on the light side end up shorter. Auxin and cytokinins together stimulate cell division, so overall growth is, IIRC, slower as well due to the decreased auxin, but the elongation factor is important in order to ensure proper branch/stem bending and structure.
Auxin also accumulates on the bottom of horizontal shoots and branches due to gravity, which causes them to bend upwards as they grow because the cells on the underside elongate. Since auxin inhibits the creation of new side shoots branching off of the stem, new branches will tend not grow downwards. But on the top side of the branch, there is less auxin to inhibit growth of stems, so new shoots will grow from the top. If the branch is too close to horizontal, the branches growing upwards will hardly be inhibited at all, causing numerous vigorous shoots called watersprouts to grow. These shoots crowd the tree, sap nutrients, and tend not to develop into structurally suitable branches for bearing fruit.
Tim Craig wrote:
I got an A in Botany 100.
Cool! I don't find that a lot of people have interest in plants these days, but I find them fascinating, including the mechanisms by which they do what they do, what causes different growth habits, etc. It is especially interesting and useful where it relates to practical things that I, as a gardener, deal with regularly.
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vikram i was havinf discussion with a barhamin friend,she was kinda saying same thing,for example,prohibition of killing of cow as its sacred,but what aboutother animals?which r not prohibited,in return she replied same tht plant dont feel pain while animals do. as far central nervous system aka BRAIN,plants might not have similar thing but there is some mechanism which makes them to SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement,touch-me-not plant etc... as far as being vegetarian jus for sake of NOT killing animals,i wonder why would a vagetrian wear a leather jacket or any other animal-skin made stuff?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian
its not bad to eat vegetables only,thousands of ppl in pakistan would be vegetarian too,no restriction at all. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Personally, I don't eat meat (any meat, not just beef). I don't use leather belts, wallets, or shoes (the first two are easy, but it's tough to get good non-leather shoes) either. I've also made my mother give up silk sarees. You're right when you say vegetarians do use leather - most people here are vegetarians because their religion forbids them to eat meat. It simply doesn't occur to them that the leather in the shoes they wear is got from killing animals. I made a conscious choice. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Light destroys growth hormone so the darker side grows faster bending the stem toward the light.
Light destroys auxin, which is responsible for cell elongation, so the cells on the light side end up shorter. Auxin and cytokinins together stimulate cell division, so overall growth is, IIRC, slower as well due to the decreased auxin, but the elongation factor is important in order to ensure proper branch/stem bending and structure.
Auxin also accumulates on the bottom of horizontal shoots and branches due to gravity, which causes them to bend upwards as they grow because the cells on the underside elongate. Since auxin inhibits the creation of new side shoots branching off of the stem, new branches will tend not grow downwards. But on the top side of the branch, there is less auxin to inhibit growth of stems, so new shoots will grow from the top. If the branch is too close to horizontal, the branches growing upwards will hardly be inhibited at all, causing numerous vigorous shoots called watersprouts to grow. These shoots crowd the tree, sap nutrients, and tend not to develop into structurally suitable branches for bearing fruit.
Tim Craig wrote:
I got an A in Botany 100.
Cool! I don't find that a lot of people have interest in plants these days, but I find them fascinating, including the mechanisms by which they do what they do, what causes different growth habits, etc. It is especially interesting and useful where it relates to practical things that I, as a gardener, deal with regularly.
:cool: i wonder u and tim write code just for fun? :) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Personally, I don't eat meat (any meat, not just beef). I don't use leather belts, wallets, or shoes (the first two are easy, but it's tough to get good non-leather shoes) either. I've also made my mother give up silk sarees. You're right when you say vegetarians do use leather - most people here are vegetarians because their religion forbids them to eat meat. It simply doesn't occur to them that the leather in the shoes they wear is got from killing animals. I made a conscious choice. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I've also made my mother give up silk sarees.
whats wrong with silk?? ??? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
I've also made my mother give up silk sarees.
whats wrong with silk?? ??? MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Silk is produced by boiling silkworm cocoons. X| Try googling for silk boil silkworms. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
whats the reality?
I feel pain. Especially when i don't eat.
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Tim Craig wrote:
Light destroys growth hormone so the darker side grows faster bending the stem toward the light.
Light destroys auxin, which is responsible for cell elongation, so the cells on the light side end up shorter. Auxin and cytokinins together stimulate cell division, so overall growth is, IIRC, slower as well due to the decreased auxin, but the elongation factor is important in order to ensure proper branch/stem bending and structure.
Auxin also accumulates on the bottom of horizontal shoots and branches due to gravity, which causes them to bend upwards as they grow because the cells on the underside elongate. Since auxin inhibits the creation of new side shoots branching off of the stem, new branches will tend not grow downwards. But on the top side of the branch, there is less auxin to inhibit growth of stems, so new shoots will grow from the top. If the branch is too close to horizontal, the branches growing upwards will hardly be inhibited at all, causing numerous vigorous shoots called watersprouts to grow. These shoots crowd the tree, sap nutrients, and tend not to develop into structurally suitable branches for bearing fruit.
Tim Craig wrote:
I got an A in Botany 100.
Cool! I don't find that a lot of people have interest in plants these days, but I find them fascinating, including the mechanisms by which they do what they do, what causes different growth habits, etc. It is especially interesting and useful where it relates to practical things that I, as a gardener, deal with regularly.
Let's see. I think I took the botany class in 1967. Engineers had to take 5 hours of life sciences and botany seemed at the time to be easier than the biology class. ;P The interesting thing was they assumed as an elective class people wouldn't remember all the taxonomic details, etc, so they taught it as an introduction to scientific principles using botany. It was amazing how many people were still saying plants see the light and grow toward it on the final. I still like reading the life sciences articles in Scientific American. Well, I pretty much read it cover to cover every month.
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:cool: i wonder u and tim write code just for fun? :) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
I wrote code because my engineering class at The Ohio State University was the first one to have a programming class as a requirement to graduate. At the end of my freshman year, they announced, oh by the way, you need 5 more hours to graduate and it's a FORTRAN class. In spite of two engineering degrees, every place I worked seemed to give me programming jobs because I knew how to. Later, I went with the flow but chose to work on very technical software projects. Now I work with high school kids to build and program robots. Saturday starts the competition this year and the 6 week death march. :~ I guess engineers just do it better. :-D Fiesta Bowl 2006 Ohio State 34 - Notre Dame 20 Secularism wins again, Stan.
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do plants feel pain?[^] i would like to learn from your point of views, A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all,while same thing is not with plants,since they dont have any central nervous system. what i think that plant DO sense like animals/humans but their mechanism is different which hasn`t been understood properly by scientist. whats the reality?:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
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do plants feel pain?[^] i would like to learn from your point of views, A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all,while same thing is not with plants,since they dont have any central nervous system. what i think that plant DO sense like animals/humans but their mechanism is different which hasn`t been understood properly by scientist. whats the reality?:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Plants, being a different form of life, have different reflexes. If a plant is growing in a way that causes it harm, it will start to grow in a different direction. This is, broadly, a pain reflex. I grow a lot of plants, actually, and it's amazing how far they can grow in a short space of time. I care equally for my plants and my animals. And I have no qualms about eating either. I just make sure they have the best possible life before they have to pay the price of life on my farm. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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vikram i was havinf discussion with a barhamin friend,she was kinda saying same thing,for example,prohibition of killing of cow as its sacred,but what aboutother animals?which r not prohibited,in return she replied same tht plant dont feel pain while animals do. as far central nervous system aka BRAIN,plants might not have similar thing but there is some mechanism which makes them to SENSE ,for instance sunflower movement,touch-me-not plant etc... as far as being vegetarian jus for sake of NOT killing animals,i wonder why would a vagetrian wear a leather jacket or any other animal-skin made stuff?
Vikram A Punathambekar wrote:
BTW, our Prez is a vegetarian
its not bad to eat vegetables only,thousands of ppl in pakistan would be vegetarian too,no restriction at all. MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
Like religion, or lots of other things, some vegetarians take it further than others. Some don't even eat eggs or milk ( weird IMO, we have 17 chickens that live a very happy life, and they are alive solely because they provide us with eggs ). I would think that the number that don't use leather would be greater than the number that do, if you talk about people who choose not to eat meat. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Like religion, or lots of other things, some vegetarians take it further than others. Some don't even eat eggs or milk ( weird IMO, we have 17 chickens that live a very happy life, and they are alive solely because they provide us with eggs ). I would think that the number that don't use leather would be greater than the number that do, if you talk about people who choose not to eat meat. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
I would think that the number that don't use leather would be greater than the number that do, if you talk about people who choose not to eat meat.
From what I've seen (and mind you, I've seen a *lot* of vegetarians) it's not. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton.
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do plants feel pain?[^] i would like to learn from your point of views, A/c to vegs,they dont eat animals cos when you slaughter them,they feel pain,bleeds which is not good at all,while same thing is not with plants,since they dont have any central nervous system. what i think that plant DO sense like animals/humans but their mechanism is different which hasn`t been understood properly by scientist. whats the reality?:) MyBlogs http://weblogs.com.pk/kadnan
No plants have no nervous system and they dont fel pain , Even if there is another system . We eat food from plants that are almost dead or on the edge. like Rice ,Wheat are dried out seeds of plants. Froots like apple , banana ,etc are let out by plants and if animals dont eat it these fruits are spoiled on the tree by bacteria. thank you Vikas Amin Embin Technology Bombay vikas.amin@embin.com