How kraut-socis indoctrinate kids
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The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic. Which is behaviour that is quite typical for the Karl-peterchen-Carson gang. Remember - the topic is if the "social truth" is really apropriate material for kids who don't have defense mechanisms against these manipulations?
Actually this problem is similar to religion in school. Socialism or extreme leftism is sort of secular religion, after all. We should have laws about the separation of state and leftist ideology.
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The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic. Which is behaviour that is quite typical for the Karl-peterchen-Carson gang. Remember - the topic is if the "social truth" is really apropriate material for kids who don't have defense mechanisms against these manipulations?
Tomaž Štih wrote:
The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic. Which is behaviour that is quite typical for the Karl-peterchen-Carson gang. Remember - the topic is if the "social truth" is really apropriate material for kids who don't have defense mechanisms against these manipulations?
Actually, I think Tomaž is very much the topic. We are given links to German-language web-sites and are supposed to accept that the selected excerpts offered in translation give a balanced indication of the content of those sites. I view that with a high level of scepticism. I might also remark that if we could see inside classrooms in Texas, the presentations we would observe concerning the role of the US in the world probably wouldn't be entirely unbiased. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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BruceN wrote:
That the US is the big bad wolf or what?
No, Germany is commieland and someone should invade it to free me of these evildoers.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistGermany is not commieland and there are some very decent people there. For example, Paul Kirchof. Regardless of the fact that you don't like that - I do differentiate between Germans and kraut-socis. The latter are the enemy.
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Tomaž Štih wrote:
The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic. Which is behaviour that is quite typical for the Karl-peterchen-Carson gang. Remember - the topic is if the "social truth" is really apropriate material for kids who don't have defense mechanisms against these manipulations?
Actually, I think Tomaž is very much the topic. We are given links to German-language web-sites and are supposed to accept that the selected excerpts offered in translation give a balanced indication of the content of those sites. I view that with a high level of scepticism. I might also remark that if we could see inside classrooms in Texas, the presentations we would observe concerning the role of the US in the world probably wouldn't be entirely unbiased. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
John Carson wrote:
I might also remark that if we could see inside classrooms in Texas, the presentations we would observe concerning the role of the US in the world probably wouldn't be entirely unbiased.
And, consequently, you should teach children this "fact" so that they "understand" the world "correctly"?
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Germany is not commieland and there are some very decent people there. For example, Paul Kirchof. Regardless of the fact that you don't like that - I do differentiate between Germans and kraut-socis. The latter are the enemy.
Tomaž Štih wrote:
Germany is not commieland
Yes folks! You heard it here first. Germany is NOT commieland! :jig: ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
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Tomaž Štih wrote:
Germany is not commieland
Yes folks! You heard it here first. Germany is NOT commieland! :jig: ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
...but parts of the population are deeply anti-american and indoctrination of kids is one of the reasons for it.
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John Carson wrote:
I might also remark that if we could see inside classrooms in Texas, the presentations we would observe concerning the role of the US in the world probably wouldn't be entirely unbiased.
And, consequently, you should teach children this "fact" so that they "understand" the world "correctly"?
Tomaž Štih wrote:
And, consequently, you should teach children this "fact" so that they "understand" the world "correctly"?
I am not sure what "fact" you are referring to. I am against indoctrination (not many would claim otherwise of themselves), but in determining whether indoctrination is taking place, there is a subjective element in determining what is fact, near-fact, widely believed fact, controversial fact, dubious fact, ratbag belief...and I think your subjective judgements on this issue are not ones that I would generally accept. Hence I would not generally accept your claims as to who are the chief offenders in the indoctrination stakes. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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BruceN wrote:
That the US is the big bad wolf or what?
No, Germany is commieland and someone should invade it to free me of these evildoers.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
someone should invade it to free me of these evildoers
Be careful of what you wish for. It happened before... :)
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Tomaž Štih wrote:
And, consequently, you should teach children this "fact" so that they "understand" the world "correctly"?
I am not sure what "fact" you are referring to. I am against indoctrination (not many would claim otherwise of themselves), but in determining whether indoctrination is taking place, there is a subjective element in determining what is fact, near-fact, widely believed fact, controversial fact, dubious fact, ratbag belief...and I think your subjective judgements on this issue are not ones that I would generally accept. Hence I would not generally accept your claims as to who are the chief offenders in the indoctrination stakes. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
I agree to disagree with you. But would you burden your children with your views about US (as these people do) or would you let them grow old enough to form their own opinions?
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The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic. Which is behaviour that is quite typical for the Karl-peterchen-Carson gang. Remember - the topic is if the "social truth" is really apropriate material for kids who don't have defense mechanisms against these manipulations?
Tomaž Štih wrote:
The problem is that you're dealing with Tomaž instead of the topic
why do you never reply to my dealing-with-the-topic replies anymore?
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
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peterchen wrote:
someone should invade it to free me of these evildoers
Be careful of what you wish for. It happened before... :)
I missed both the show, and the after-war-party, but I still have to be thankful for that.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist -
I missed both the show, and the after-war-party, but I still have to be thankful for that.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistThankful? I did not say that. It’s entirely up to you, some people are, and some are not. It depends on your views. What I was saying is that you should know the history and learn from it, that’s all.
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Thankful? I did not say that. It’s entirely up to you, some people are, and some are not. It depends on your views. What I was saying is that you should know the history and learn from it, that’s all.
I was a bit sneaky - I had two meanings in mind: (a) I am thankful that I wasn't there, and I am reminded to be thankful again and again for the Marshal Plan.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighist -
I was a bit sneaky - I had two meanings in mind: (a) I am thankful that I wasn't there, and I am reminded to be thankful again and again for the Marshal Plan.
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
(a) I am thankful that I wasn't there
Me too.
peterchen wrote:
I am reminded to be thankful
It was your second meaning that I was answering. I did not mean to remind you to be thankful; I only want everyone not to repeat the same mistakes that have been done in our past history and we’ll have many fewer problems in our future.
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I agree to disagree with you. But would you burden your children with your views about US (as these people do) or would you let them grow old enough to form their own opinions?
Tomaž Štih wrote:
But would you burden your children with your views about US (as these people do) or would you let them grow old enough to form their own opinions?
Children are not going to form their views in a vacuum. They will draw on the opinions that are presented to them. The appropriate attitude to children is to let them be aware of the existence of a variety of opinion, tell them what you think is correct, and let them feel that it is OK to disagree with you. I don't know what age the children are that these websites address. I would agree that it is probably not appropriate to be getting too heavily into questions of the merits of the US at an early age, just as issues of religion cannot be properly addressed by young children. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Actually this problem is similar to religion in school. Socialism or extreme leftism is sort of secular religion, after all. We should have laws about the separation of state and leftist ideology.
So what you're saying is that we should have separation of state and everybody who doesn't think like you. Right.
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He regulary links to it, but until now he gave away his sources. It's not that he copies of it (I think the cursive is indicator enough that he's quoting), but this David guy has a tendency to give his translations.. well, a tendency. (And for the record: I'm from an "ex-communist country", too ;) )
We say "get a life" to each other, disappointed or jokingly. What we forget, though, is that this is possibly the most destructive advice you can give to a geek.
boost your code || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
And for the record: I'm from an "ex-communist country", too
For the record, I don't have anything against people from ex-communist countries. I was just yanking Tomaž's chain on that point, given his current fervent anti-communist ideology. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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They're actually teaching this crap to their kids? ------- sig starts "I've heard some drivers saying, 'We're going too fast here...'. If you're not here to race, go the hell home - don't come here and grumble about going too fast. Why don't you tie a kerosene rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001
This page is published by a company not by the goverment and this page is not related to the german school system. So you can't say that it is used to teach children. In a quick view over this page i can't see how it is sponsored by a state goverment or someting else.
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peterchen wrote:
Štih Gang makes out of it is a paranoia that would make McCartney proud.
What's Paul have to be paranoid about? :laugh: Or did you mean McCarthy - my hero? At least their paranoia is not being funded and promulgated by the state in this case. Its all a question of who's paranoia is the most valid. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
What's Paul have to be paranoid about?
Well, there are those rumors about his actually being dead. "I buried Paul." BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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