Islamic terrorists fear losing control of their women.
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dext0r wrote:
Personally,its so horrible to see south indians in western outfits,better they keep themselves in veils
You Muslim men just want to keep women from thinking independently, because if they do think for themselves, they might stop acting like livestock. I feel sorry for all women born into your stupid religion, look what Mohammad has to say about them: This if from the Hadith Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826 "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
According to your logic, the judeo-christian world should be oppressing women just as badly as the muslim world. The problem does not lie in what is said in the Quran. The problem lies in that its words are taken far too literally. Luckily, most of the judeo-christian world has grown a clue..
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. "
Wow - that's incredible. That would be a comfort to any woman who wanted to report a rape. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Wow - that's incredible. That would be a comfort to any woman who wanted to report a rape.
This would be a conclusion made out of ignorance.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Christian Graus wrote:
Wow - that's incredible. That would be a comfort to any woman who wanted to report a rape.
This would be a conclusion made out of ignorance.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
This would be a conclusion made out of ignorance.
Does this mean that a/ a Quran doesn't say that a womans opinion is worth half that of a man b/ the Quran says that and somehow you can explain it away c/ that's one of the bits of the Quran everyone just pretends isn't in there ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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A.A. wrote:
This would be a conclusion made out of ignorance.
Does this mean that a/ a Quran doesn't say that a womans opinion is worth half that of a man b/ the Quran says that and somehow you can explain it away c/ that's one of the bits of the Quran everyone just pretends isn't in there ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
First of all I hope you realize that what was quoted was hadith and not Quran. The options you listed aren't exhaustive... In some situations the testimony of a women is to be taken and that of a man will not be taken. I wish people would just ask rather than assume.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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First of all I hope you realize that what was quoted was hadith and not Quran. The options you listed aren't exhaustive... In some situations the testimony of a women is to be taken and that of a man will not be taken. I wish people would just ask rather than assume.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
In some situations the testimony of a women is to be taken and that of a man will not be taken.
And is that a fair thing? Regards, Nish
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A.A. wrote:
In some situations the testimony of a women is to be taken and that of a man will not be taken.
And is that a fair thing? Regards, Nish
My blog : Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET
Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
And is that a fair thing?
Not sure what this has to do with fairness, but there are many issues where women in general just know more about, and unless the man in question is some expert on the topic, the testimony of the woman carries more weight.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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dext0r wrote:
well a bit confused,which *quality* are you relating with men,the staring one or have thinking that others stare to their women?
It isn't a one way street. No one in the modern world can claim that women should act in a certain way because men will respond in a certain way. In other words, why don't men in your society also wear veils to keep women from seeing them? It should work both ways or neither. The fact that men cannot control themsleves is not an argument for forcing women to behave in certain ways, it is an argument for makeing men more responsible for their behavior. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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First of all I hope you realize that what was quoted was hadith and not Quran. The options you listed aren't exhaustive... In some situations the testimony of a women is to be taken and that of a man will not be taken. I wish people would just ask rather than assume.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
The options you listed aren't exhaustive...
Yes, they are. It either doesn't say that, or it does, but people choose to ignore it. I googled the Hadith. Is this true ? Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as binding. If so, does the Hadith say these things ? * Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826 The majority of people in hell are women. * Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124 Women are a bad omen. * Mohammed said, " Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse." Vol. 7:30 Women are harmful to men. * Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33 Is this also true ? * "Narrated Aisha that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."Vol. 7:64 I didn't assume, I did a google and found plenty of sites refering to these verses. In the absence of the original text, that's the best I could do. So, are all these people misquoting the Hadith, is it wrong that the Hadith is a sacred Islamic text, are women property under Islam, or is Islam at large just ignoring the bits of it's holy books that it doesn't like ? I don't see how that fails to be an exaustive list. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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A.A. wrote:
The options you listed aren't exhaustive...
Yes, they are. It either doesn't say that, or it does, but people choose to ignore it. I googled the Hadith. Is this true ? Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as binding. If so, does the Hadith say these things ? * Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826 The majority of people in hell are women. * Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124 Women are a bad omen. * Mohammed said, " Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse." Vol. 7:30 Women are harmful to men. * Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33 Is this also true ? * "Narrated Aisha that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."Vol. 7:64 I didn't assume, I did a google and found plenty of sites refering to these verses. In the absence of the original text, that's the best I could do. So, are all these people misquoting the Hadith, is it wrong that the Hadith is a sacred Islamic text, are women property under Islam, or is Islam at large just ignoring the bits of it's holy books that it doesn't like ? I don't see how that fails to be an exaustive list. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, they are. It either doesn't say that, or it does, but people choose to ignore it.
No its not, at least not in the meaning protrayed by choosing one of those. My saying it was Hadith wasn't ment to reduce its credibility rather it was a correction. As for the definition you found it would depend on the context and what they meant. But in short the Quran and Hadith are the most important Islamic sources. As for the rest you seem to have found one of the many anti-Islamic [and I don't mean this because they are critically analyzing rather because they know enough to know the issue with what they are saying] sites that seem to copy one another. There are probably many sites that deal with each of these points, go google those. Except for the one already quoted, none of the rest have anything to do with the first response I gave.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Christian Graus wrote:
Yes, they are. It either doesn't say that, or it does, but people choose to ignore it.
No its not, at least not in the meaning protrayed by choosing one of those. My saying it was Hadith wasn't ment to reduce its credibility rather it was a correction. As for the definition you found it would depend on the context and what they meant. But in short the Quran and Hadith are the most important Islamic sources. As for the rest you seem to have found one of the many anti-Islamic [and I don't mean this because they are critically analyzing rather because they know enough to know the issue with what they are saying] sites that seem to copy one another. There are probably many sites that deal with each of these points, go google those. Except for the one already quoted, none of the rest have anything to do with the first response I gave.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
But in short the Quran and Hadith are the most important Islamic sources.
That's all that was claimed.
A.A. wrote:
As for the rest you seem to have found one of the many anti-Islamic
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/126974220.html[^] I wouldn't say it was hysterically anti Islam. It's just a bunch of quotes. Apparently we agree that they are genuine, how is that anything but valid comment ?
A.A. wrote:
There are probably many sites that deal with each of these points, go google those.
Well, how about you just answer the question - do you believe those verses, or do you ignore them ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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A.A. wrote:
But in short the Quran and Hadith are the most important Islamic sources.
That's all that was claimed.
A.A. wrote:
As for the rest you seem to have found one of the many anti-Islamic
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/126974220.html[^] I wouldn't say it was hysterically anti Islam. It's just a bunch of quotes. Apparently we agree that they are genuine, how is that anything but valid comment ?
A.A. wrote:
There are probably many sites that deal with each of these points, go google those.
Well, how about you just answer the question - do you believe those verses, or do you ignore them ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/126974220.html\[^\] I wouldn't say it was hysterically anti Islam. It's just a bunch of quotes. Apparently we agree that they are genuine, how is that anything but valid comment ?
Just as I thought. This guy gets around, his posts and books are posted on many anti-Islamic sites. I believe his articles were quoted here on CP several times, in fact some with the same title. As for being hysterically anti-Islam, yes he is, look at his books. I find it ironic that he uses Al-Araby as a pen name, because I've seen several cases where he shows extreme weakness in analyzing Arabic words and sentences. As for case by case analysis of what you posted, you can find it online, just like you found these.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Christian Graus wrote:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/126974220.html\[^\] I wouldn't say it was hysterically anti Islam. It's just a bunch of quotes. Apparently we agree that they are genuine, how is that anything but valid comment ?
Just as I thought. This guy gets around, his posts and books are posted on many anti-Islamic sites. I believe his articles were quoted here on CP several times, in fact some with the same title. As for being hysterically anti-Islam, yes he is, look at his books. I find it ironic that he uses Al-Araby as a pen name, because I've seen several cases where he shows extreme weakness in analyzing Arabic words and sentences. As for case by case analysis of what you posted, you can find it online, just like you found these.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
A.A. wrote:
As for case by case analysis of what you posted, you can find it online, just like you found these.
Actually, I googled the phrase and found not one web site offering explanation. I'm curious why you're not willing to explain how you feel about these verses, surely no web site can tell me that ? Or are you not allowed to have an opinion ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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A.A. wrote:
The options you listed aren't exhaustive...
Yes, they are. It either doesn't say that, or it does, but people choose to ignore it. I googled the Hadith. Is this true ? Next to the Quran, it is the most important part of Islamic law; its teachings are just as binding. If so, does the Hadith say these things ? * Mohammed asked some women, "Isn't the witness of a woman equal to half that of a man?" The women said, "yes," He said, "This is because of the deficiency of the woman's mind. " Vol. 3:826 The majority of people in hell are women. * Mohammed said, "I was shown the Hell-fire and that the majority of its dwellers are women. " Vol. 1:28, 301; Vol. 2:161; Vol. 7:124 Women are a bad omen. * Mohammed said, " Bad omen is in the woman, the house and the horse." Vol. 7:30 Women are harmful to men. * Mohammed said, "After me I have not left any affliction more harmful to men than women." Vol. 7:33 Is this also true ? * "Narrated Aisha that the prophet married her when she was six years old and he consummated his marriage when she was nine years old."Vol. 7:64 I didn't assume, I did a google and found plenty of sites refering to these verses. In the absence of the original text, that's the best I could do. So, are all these people misquoting the Hadith, is it wrong that the Hadith is a sacred Islamic text, are women property under Islam, or is Islam at large just ignoring the bits of it's holy books that it doesn't like ? I don't see how that fails to be an exaustive list. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Here are some more verses that are equally stupid: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/incredibleteachprint.htm Stars are missiles which God uses to hit the devils. * The creation of stars is for three purposes, i.e., as decoration of the sky, as missiles to hit the devils, and as signs to guide travelers. Vol. 2:158 Drinking camel's urine will make you healthy. * "The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy." Vol. 7:590 Fever is from the heat of hell. * Mohammed said, " Fever is from the heat of hell, so put it out (cool it) with water." Vol. 7:619 A fly in your drink is a cure. * Mohammed said, "If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease. " Vol. 4:537 Effect of evil eye * Mohammed said, "The effect of an evil eye is a fact. " Vol. 7:636 Which shoe you should put on first. * Mohammed said, "If you want to put on your shoes, put on the right shoe first, and if you want them off, take the left one first." Vol. 7:747 Breathing in your drink is bad. * Mohammed said, "Don't breath into your drinking utensil." Vol. 1:156 God frightens his devotees with eclips. * Mohammed said, "The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the signs of Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of someone but Allah frightens His devotees with them. " Vol. 2:158 Satan urinates in people's ears, when they don't wake up for prayer. * Narrated Abdullah: the prophet was told that a person had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." Vol. 2:245 Yawning is from Satan. * The prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of yuo (during the act of yawning) should say: "Ha", Satan will laugh at him." Vol. 2:158 "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State." -- modified at 22:25 Sunday 22nd January, 2006
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Christian Graus wrote:
http://newyork.craigslist.org/mnh/pol/126974220.html\[^\] I wouldn't say it was hysterically anti Islam. It's just a bunch of quotes. Apparently we agree that they are genuine, how is that anything but valid comment ?
Just as I thought. This guy gets around, his posts and books are posted on many anti-Islamic sites. I believe his articles were quoted here on CP several times, in fact some with the same title. As for being hysterically anti-Islam, yes he is, look at his books. I find it ironic that he uses Al-Araby as a pen name, because I've seen several cases where he shows extreme weakness in analyzing Arabic words and sentences. As for case by case analysis of what you posted, you can find it online, just like you found these.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
:zzz::zzz::zzz: I have seen you muslims try in vain to defend your religion on this board so many times. The bottom line is, those verses are are in the hadith, whether you like admit it or not. And, your religion inspires terrorism whether you like admit it or not. I have never seen you or any other muslim on here denounce one of your terrorist brothers. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Here are some more verses that are equally stupid: http://www.islamreview.com/articles/incredibleteachprint.htm Stars are missiles which God uses to hit the devils. * The creation of stars is for three purposes, i.e., as decoration of the sky, as missiles to hit the devils, and as signs to guide travelers. Vol. 2:158 Drinking camel's urine will make you healthy. * "The prophet ordered them to follow his camels, and drink their milk and urine , so they followed the camels and drank their milk and urine till their bodies became healthy." Vol. 7:590 Fever is from the heat of hell. * Mohammed said, " Fever is from the heat of hell, so put it out (cool it) with water." Vol. 7:619 A fly in your drink is a cure. * Mohammed said, "If a housefly falls in the drink of anyone of you, he should dip it (in the drink), for one of its wings has a disease and the other has the cure for the disease. " Vol. 4:537 Effect of evil eye * Mohammed said, "The effect of an evil eye is a fact. " Vol. 7:636 Which shoe you should put on first. * Mohammed said, "If you want to put on your shoes, put on the right shoe first, and if you want them off, take the left one first." Vol. 7:747 Breathing in your drink is bad. * Mohammed said, "Don't breath into your drinking utensil." Vol. 1:156 God frightens his devotees with eclips. * Mohammed said, "The sun and the moon are two signs amongst the signs of Allah and they do not eclipse because of the death of someone but Allah frightens His devotees with them. " Vol. 2:158 Satan urinates in people's ears, when they don't wake up for prayer. * Narrated Abdullah: the prophet was told that a person had kept on sleeping till morning and had not got up for the prayer. The prophet said, "Satan urinated in his ears." Vol. 2:245 Yawning is from Satan. * The prophet said, "Yawning is from Satan and if anyone of you yawns, he should check his yawning as much as possible, for if anyone of yuo (during the act of yawning) should say: "Ha", Satan will laugh at him." Vol. 2:158 "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State." -- modified at 22:25 Sunday 22nd January, 2006
Yeah, I know. I was genuinely trying to see if he believed that women are less than men, if he just ignores those bits ( which seems to be the case ), or if he had some other explanation. So, I didn't bring this stuff up, that's just plain funny, but not likely to help me getting a rational response. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Yeah, I know. I was genuinely trying to see if he believed that women are less than men, if he just ignores those bits ( which seems to be the case ), or if he had some other explanation. So, I didn't bring this stuff up, that's just plain funny, but not likely to help me getting a rational response. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
but not likely to help me getting a rational response.
You were expecting a rational response from someone defending Islam? "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Christian Graus wrote:
but not likely to help me getting a rational response.
You were expecting a rational response from someone defending Islam? "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Adnan's explanation was so far out there, that I'm trying to figure out if it was all wrong or not. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Adnan's explanation was so far out there, that I'm trying to figure out if it was all wrong or not. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
I personally think that it is possible that Adnan is not a real muslim, but a troll. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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I personally think that it is possible that Adnan is not a real muslim, but a troll. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Well, you'd have to hope so, but when I've discussed it with AA, he seems to back him up. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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dext0r wrote:
yes its true,there are severel illetrate mullahs in muslim society,here illetrate means who don`t have basic idea of a religioin`s teaching and they like to interpretate things literally rather going into depth. And this is not among muslim society only,history has told us about orthodox Christian preiests who had rejected Galileo`s theory long time back,because according to them,it was against their bible as they were used to follow Copernicus's theory.
That spelling, that idiom. I get a feeling of déjà vu. You must be Adnan.
I think you're right. See how Adnan's posts end on 22nd Jan and dext0r has joined on the same day? The spelling merely confirms your theory. Cheers, Vikram.
"When I read in books about a "base class", I figured this was the class that was at the bottom of the inheritence tree. It's the "base", right? Like the base of a pyramid." - Marc Clifton. i dont mind to be a stupid,better than being a moron - Adnan Siddiqi.