Middle East
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Most of the people I see destroying society are liberals like you who have no idea about reality. The reason I say that you have no idea about reality is that I live in a Right-Wing Christian gun owning family, and it is nothing like you liberals say, we are not extremists or bigots, and we are not dangerous just because we own guns.
Thank you Pumk1nh3ad! I am sick of liberals bashing what I believe it. I don't go around telling them what they should or should not believe in. I am a Christian and THANKFUL FOR IT! Paul
Your sarcasm is not impressive. :zzz: "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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You keep linking to junk that christians have put on the internet. Just because someone puts something on the internet and calls it christian doesnt necessarily mean that all christians agree with it. The rapture warning thing that you linked to above and the left behind series are both garbage, and do not represent all christians. Also, the bible does not directly say there is going to be a rapture, but it does say there is going to be a tribulation and second comming, and nothing man can do will speed it up or slow it down. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Dont we have HIV to do that ?
-Prakash
No since 70% of H.I.V. victims are black. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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No since 70% of H.I.V. victims are black. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
No since 70% of H.I.V. victims are black.
oh wow, didnt know about this statistic.
-Prakash
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Paul Watson wrote:
No since 70% of H.I.V. victims are black.
oh wow, didnt know about this statistic.
-Prakash
And a good percentage believe HIV is a virus invented by the west to decimate Africa. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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And a good percentage believe HIV is a virus invented by the west to decimate Africa. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
And a good percentage believe HIV is a virus invented by the west to decimate Africa.
now thats funny.
-Prakash
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Paul Watson wrote:
And a good percentage believe HIV is a virus invented by the west to decimate Africa.
now thats funny.
-Prakash
Funny as in daft beyond belief, yes. Otherwise it isn't funny as it causes hatred. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Funny as in daft beyond belief, yes. Otherwise it isn't funny as it causes hatred. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Otherwise it isn't funny as it causes hatred.
A doctor from USA said that HIV is actually bring the world closer for fight against it. i.e, many contries donating money for the cause, different NGOs , red cross etc from different contries are in africa to help and educate them. so i was surpriced to hear that HIV is used as a reason to hate the west, well then cant do much about these guys, there are many other ppl in the world who think the same way and blow themself up at public places and now they have won the elections.
-Prakash
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It's getting pretty messey over there with Hamas being elected. I really hope they stop beating the terror drums and forget about Isreal. Between this, Iraq and Iran, this could (and most likely will) destabalize the region. As a US citizen I think we should build structers in Isreal next to the buildings Hamas wants to blow up, maybe that will discurage them? I'm not sure what else anyone can do. It will take all the countries (Russa, UK, Germany, France etc...) getting together and co-operating. Thats in itself is extreamly rare. We all need to get our ***** in order, this could so easly escalate and get totally out of control. :-( My 2 Cents... Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
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Paul Watson wrote:
Otherwise it isn't funny as it causes hatred.
A doctor from USA said that HIV is actually bring the world closer for fight against it. i.e, many contries donating money for the cause, different NGOs , red cross etc from different contries are in africa to help and educate them. so i was surpriced to hear that HIV is used as a reason to hate the west, well then cant do much about these guys, there are many other ppl in the world who think the same way and blow themself up at public places and now they have won the elections.
-Prakash
Well there is resentment from Africa that the west either does not contribute enough money or when it does it comes with strings attached. That is not my view at all, it is the typical "we demand!" African bullshit and I detest it. But that is what is on the street. There is little "Thank you U.S.A and Europe for your help." from what I have seen. Often due to the money not reaching the people on the ground. Usual corrupt donation crap. People are dying, children are starving, they turn to anger. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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And a good percentage believe HIV is a virus invented by the west to decimate Africa. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
:laugh: You are joking, right? Believing that is about as stupid as saying that Bush bombed the levies in New Orleans. :rolleyes: "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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:laugh: You are joking, right? Believing that is about as stupid as saying that Bush bombed the levies in New Orleans. :rolleyes: "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
It's about as crazy as the belief that HIV was created by God to rid earth of sinners. :)
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Diego Moita wrote:
Once again, the extremists (christians and muslims) are alike, not different.
Except that muslim fundamentalists blow people up everyday in the name of their god. That rarely happens with christians, and when it does, the christians have no problem denouncing those people who commit such acts, whereas the muslims will rarely denounce a terrorist. And, the Koran and Hadith both command you to kill nonbelievers, whereas the New Testament does not. Perhaps i am just spreading my paranoid ideology of hatred and bigotry to suggest that Islam encourages violence, but the Islamists in the middle east seem to agree with me when they blow themselves and "infadels" up hoping to goto paradise, and actions speak louder than words. You may say that most muslims are moderate and do not believe in violence, but I would not trust any of them, because they claim to follow a book which encourages violence, whether liberal pacificists like you admit it or not. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, the Koran and Hadith both command you to kill nonbelievers, whereas the New Testament does not.
In this thread, some posts above, Russell Moris and the trol Stan Shanon argued that "People are the origin of all violence" and "if one makes a careful, unbiased study of history most human conflict was not caused by religious differences but by purely secular,economic,territorial,racial reasons". Do you agree with them? It seems to me that you're suggesting that Islam incitates violence and you seem to present evidences of it. I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism (incas, mayas, quechuas, astecs, africans, jews, muslins and other aboriginal people of asia and australia). How do you explain it? Is Muslin violence religious and Christian violence not religious? Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958) Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)
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You keep linking to junk that christians have put on the internet. Just because someone puts something on the internet and calls it christian doesnt necessarily mean that all christians agree with it. The rapture warning thing that you linked to above and the left behind series are both garbage, and do not represent all christians. Also, the bible does not directly say there is going to be a rapture, but it does say there is going to be a tribulation and second comming, and nothing man can do will speed it up or slow it down. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Just because someone puts something on the internet and calls it christian doesnt necessarily mean that all christians agree with it.
That's the point I hope you will take to heart and apply the same principle to other groups. For example, just because a small fraction of muslims want to "kill all the jews and christians" doesn't necessarily mean that all muslims agree with it.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
And, the Koran and Hadith both command you to kill nonbelievers, whereas the New Testament does not.
In this thread, some posts above, Russell Moris and the trol Stan Shanon argued that "People are the origin of all violence" and "if one makes a careful, unbiased study of history most human conflict was not caused by religious differences but by purely secular,economic,territorial,racial reasons". Do you agree with them? It seems to me that you're suggesting that Islam incitates violence and you seem to present evidences of it. I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism (incas, mayas, quechuas, astecs, africans, jews, muslins and other aboriginal people of asia and australia). How do you explain it? Is Muslin violence religious and Christian violence not religious? Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958) Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. Samuel Johnson (1709 - 1784)
Diego Moita wrote:
"People are the origin of all violence" and "if one makes a careful, unbiased study of history most human conflict was not caused by religious differences but by purely secular,economic,territorial,racial reasons". Do you agree with them?
Yes and no, there have been wars fought over those things, and wars fought over religion.
Diego Moita wrote:
I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism (incas, mayas, quechuas, astecs, africans, jews, muslins and other aboriginal people of asia and australia).
While it is true that all of these things were done by power hungry people claiming to be Christians, there will always be human nature, and just because there are bad people in a certain religion, that doesnt make the reigion bad.
Diego Moita wrote:
Is Muslin violence religious and Christian violence not religious?
The difference between Muslim and Christian violence is that the founder of the Islam religion was a war lord who wrote that anyone that would not convert to his religion should be killed. The founder of Christianity (Jesus) tried to help people, and did not command them to kill others over religion. Regardless of the religion, there will always be people that will try to use that as an excuse for violence, like the Catholic Church did with Christianity, but when a religion such as Islam condones violence in it's Holy Books and was founded on violence, in my opinion, that makes the religion bad. Oh, and BTW, it is Christianity and not Christianism. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Well there is resentment from Africa that the west either does not contribute enough money or when it does it comes with strings attached. That is not my view at all, it is the typical "we demand!" African bullshit and I detest it. But that is what is on the street. There is little "Thank you U.S.A and Europe for your help." from what I have seen. Often due to the money not reaching the people on the ground. Usual corrupt donation crap. People are dying, children are starving, they turn to anger. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Colib and ilikecameras. K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
it is the typical "we demand!" African bull****
Considering how Africa was colonialized and exploited by Europe over the past few hundred years, it is not surprising to me that Africans have demands. Considering how the U.S.A. used African countries as proxies in their battle against the Soviet Union, it is not surprising to me that Africans don't offer thanks.
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Just because someone puts something on the internet and calls it christian doesnt necessarily mean that all christians agree with it.
That's the point I hope you will take to heart and apply the same principle to other groups. For example, just because a small fraction of muslims want to "kill all the jews and christians" doesn't necessarily mean that all muslims agree with it.
But, all Muslims claim to follow either the Koran or Hadith, and both of those condone violence in the name of Islam as assurance of Paradise. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Diego Moita wrote:
"People are the origin of all violence" and "if one makes a careful, unbiased study of history most human conflict was not caused by religious differences but by purely secular,economic,territorial,racial reasons". Do you agree with them?
Yes and no, there have been wars fought over those things, and wars fought over religion.
Diego Moita wrote:
I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism (incas, mayas, quechuas, astecs, africans, jews, muslins and other aboriginal people of asia and australia).
While it is true that all of these things were done by power hungry people claiming to be Christians, there will always be human nature, and just because there are bad people in a certain religion, that doesnt make the reigion bad.
Diego Moita wrote:
Is Muslin violence religious and Christian violence not religious?
The difference between Muslim and Christian violence is that the founder of the Islam religion was a war lord who wrote that anyone that would not convert to his religion should be killed. The founder of Christianity (Jesus) tried to help people, and did not command them to kill others over religion. Regardless of the religion, there will always be people that will try to use that as an excuse for violence, like the Catholic Church did with Christianity, but when a religion such as Islam condones violence in it's Holy Books and was founded on violence, in my opinion, that makes the religion bad. Oh, and BTW, it is Christianity and not Christianism. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
wrote that anyone that would not convert to his religion should be killed.
Source? Well actually I don't expect you to produce any because it doesn't exist. If you want to try the translation of the meaning of the Quran is available several places on the net.
Quran Lectures (updated 1/3/06) "They are MUSLIM. It does not matter how you split it up: all msulims (so they say) see every other muslim as a brother, regardless of origin or nationality." -legalAlien. Alhamdullah for the blessing of Islam
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Diego Moita wrote:
"People are the origin of all violence" and "if one makes a careful, unbiased study of history most human conflict was not caused by religious differences but by purely secular,economic,territorial,racial reasons". Do you agree with them?
Yes and no, there have been wars fought over those things, and wars fought over religion.
Diego Moita wrote:
I don't know if you ignore all the violence commited in the name of Chritianism (incas, mayas, quechuas, astecs, africans, jews, muslins and other aboriginal people of asia and australia).
While it is true that all of these things were done by power hungry people claiming to be Christians, there will always be human nature, and just because there are bad people in a certain religion, that doesnt make the reigion bad.
Diego Moita wrote:
Is Muslin violence religious and Christian violence not religious?
The difference between Muslim and Christian violence is that the founder of the Islam religion was a war lord who wrote that anyone that would not convert to his religion should be killed. The founder of Christianity (Jesus) tried to help people, and did not command them to kill others over religion. Regardless of the religion, there will always be people that will try to use that as an excuse for violence, like the Catholic Church did with Christianity, but when a religion such as Islam condones violence in it's Holy Books and was founded on violence, in my opinion, that makes the religion bad. Oh, and BTW, it is Christianity and not Christianism. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
just because there are bad people in a certain religion, that doesnt make the reigion bad.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
Regardless of the religion, there will always be people that will try to use that as an excuse for violence
This is the only thing we seem to agree.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
The difference between Muslim and Christian violence is that the founder of the Islam religion was a war lord who wrote that anyone that would not convert to his religion should be killed. The founder of Christianity (Jesus) tried to help people, and did not command them to kill others over religion. Regardless of the religion, there will always be people that will try to use that as an excuse for violence, like the Catholic Church did with Christianity, but when a religion such as Islam condones violence in it's Holy Books and was founded on violence, in my opinion, that makes the religion bad.
It all depends on who is the real founder of Christianity. You say it was Jesus. In my opinion he was just the founder of a small sect of Judaism. He didn't left anything written and I don't remember any specific message from him being explicit about conversion of non jews. Paul, the apostle, was the one who extended this sect into non jews and changed the sect into a new and more inclusive religion (actually some Christian leaders were against him, by then). Then there was what I think is the most important moment in the history of Christianism: the conversion of the Roman emperor Constantine I ("the Great") which endorsed Christianism as the state religion. I see that as the founding of Christianity (between 313 and 325). That's when several different evangelical books where considered non-Christians and expurgated, some where selected to be what we call Bible today and several different christian sects were exterminated. This was a violent process. Do some googling on "Edict of Milan" and "Council of Nicaea". Patriotism is the willingness to kill and be killed for trivial reasons. Bertrand Russell (1872 - 1970) Patriotism is your conviction that this country is superior to all other countries because you were born in it. George Bernard Shaw (1856 - 1950) Patriotism is often an arbitrary veneration of real estate above principles. George Jean Nathan (1882 - 1958) Patriotism is the last refuge of a scoun
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Matthew Hazlett wrote:
this could so easly escalate and get totally out of control
That's what some Christian fundamentalists are praying for. They think a crisis in the M.E. will lead to the return of Jesus.
:~ You're joking right? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright