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That's all we need the bible thumpers to get involved... Religion is the origion of violance. Group A hates Group B because they believe Jeasus was a transexual. Group B blows up Group A etc. etc. etc. etc. It's all so stupid I can't believe people just don't realize this and stop. Just believe in yourself, If you can't do that then you have REAL issues and need to work them out. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often). -- modified at 0:44 Saturday 28th January, 2006
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
Religion is the origion of violance.
Did you mean religion is the origin of violence ? I doubt that, although it is the origin of education, and therefore good spelling :-) Seriously, you're wrong. Religion is used as an excuse for violence, but it's hardly the origin. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Your right, its not entirely bad. In fact there are a lot of good things in Religion. However, one belief system is no more valid then another. And when that belief system is used as a club to harm others its time to "kick it to the curb". It is obvious we do not agree on this issue, and thats fine by me. Each person needs to formulate there own answer the question of religion. My view is: It was good in the past It has been used to justify wars / conflicts It's importance needs to be deminished, people need to decide what makes sense to them and what they believe. Not follow some text some guy wrote thousands of years ago. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
However, one belief system is no more valid then another.
In what sense ? Do you mean everyone has the right to believe what they want, or that all belief systems are equally true ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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We actually probably agree on far more than we disagree on. Its just that the entire attitude towards Chrisitanity that seems to have taken root among certain elements of our culture really gets under my skin. I have lived around Chrisitans my entire life and have found them almost universally to be among the kindest, most gentle and loving people one could wish to be around. I have met very few that expressed any political beliefs of any kind, and of those as many were left leaning as right leaning. Are many of them concerned about the direction our culture is taking? Yes. Do many of them vote according to those religious sentiments? Yes, they do. But the notion that they should not is so virulantly un-democratic and grossly anti-American, that I am just staggered by the implications of it. I absolutely believe that the left and the democratic party have become so thoroughly controlled by a coalition of extremists groups that they are trying to fabricate a fictious 'radical religious right' in order to be able to offset their own radicalism in the public mind. If they can keep the center's attention directed toward Christian Fundamentalism, their own extremism can be more easily camouflaged. And, again, it continues to just blow me away that we could be confronted with a very real and dangerous example of religious extremism coming from some other culture, yet we still continue to entertain this silly politcal charade. I just find the entire situation to be nearly beyond belief. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
I'm trying to work out why anyone would down vote this. It sure got my 5. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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kinda like an eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth eh? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
That was in the Old Testament, which is not applicable today. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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That was in the Old Testament, which is not applicable today. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Matthew Hazlett wrote:
Religion is the origion of violance.
Did you mean religion is the origin of violence ? I doubt that, although it is the origin of education, and therefore good spelling :-) Seriously, you're wrong. Religion is used as an excuse for violence, but it's hardly the origin. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
Did you mean religion is the origin of violence ? I doubt that, although it is the origin of education, and therefore good spelling Seriously, you're wrong. Religion is used as an excuse for violence, but it's hardly the origin.
Religion is the origion of violance, or I should say, A big origion of violance but not the only one. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
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Why not? Is is part of the bible or not? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
Why not? Is is part of the bible or not?
You obviously don't know much about the Bible. The Old Testament law became no longer applicable when Jesus came. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Christian Graus wrote:
Did you mean religion is the origin of violence ? I doubt that, although it is the origin of education, and therefore good spelling Seriously, you're wrong. Religion is used as an excuse for violence, but it's hardly the origin.
Religion is the origion of violance, or I should say, A big origion of violance but not the only one. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
Please - why would you insist on spelling it wrong after I pointed out the correct spelling ? No, religion is never the origin of violence. In fact, Jesus told us to love our enemies. Religion is used by the powers that be to control the masses into acts of violence, that's another matter. In any case, there can be no doubt that violence existed before religion, and exists apart from religion. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Josh Gray wrote:
Why not? Is is part of the bible or not?
You obviously don't know much about the Bible. The Old Testament law became no longer applicable when Jesus came. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You obviously don't know much about the Bible.
I read it cover to cover years ago. Nice little fairy tail.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
The Old Testament law became no longer applicable when Jesus came.
How convienient. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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Please - why would you insist on spelling it wrong after I pointed out the correct spelling ? No, religion is never the origin of violence. In fact, Jesus told us to love our enemies. Religion is used by the powers that be to control the masses into acts of violence, that's another matter. In any case, there can be no doubt that violence existed before religion, and exists apart from religion. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Just to annoy you :-) Whatever you say, I will not be able to change your mind so I'm not even going to try. I am not saying violance was an intended as part of religion, it is mearly an un intended side effect brought out by to much fanaticism. But, if you want some further reading lookup lookup "Holy War" or "Jahad". Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
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Matthew Hazlett wrote:
However, one belief system is no more valid then another.
In what sense ? Do you mean everyone has the right to believe what they want, or that all belief systems are equally true ? Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
Christian Graus wrote:
In what sense ? Do you mean everyone has the right to believe what they want
Yes, we all have the right to believe whatever we want, but we also have the responsibility to do it in a way that won't be detremental to everyone else.
Christian Graus wrote:
all belief systems are equally true ?
Probably, none of them are true. But hey, if it helps you to believe Jeasus or God or Mohamed or whoever really did help you pass your spelling exam then so be it. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often). -- modified at 18:25 Sunday 29th January, 2006
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Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
You obviously don't know much about the Bible.
I read it cover to cover years ago. Nice little fairy tail.
Pumk1nh3ad wrote:
The Old Testament law became no longer applicable when Jesus came.
How convienient. I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
I read it cover to cover years ago. Nice little fairy tail.
I seriously doubt you would try to insult a Muslim by running down the Koran. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
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Josh Gray wrote:
I read it cover to cover years ago. Nice little fairy tail.
I seriously doubt you would try to insult a Muslim by running down the Koran. "When only the police have guns, it's called a Police State."
Well since you know every fucking thing about every fucking thing why do you bother to participate here? I think the Koran is as much a silly fairy tail as your old book. Ya dumb fuck I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
lefties all seem to think that the solution to the problem of Islamic extremism is to free the world of Jews and Christians!
I have never heard this.
Stan Shannon wrote:
I think it is time to force the issue once and for all
What does that mean? Invade all muslim countries?
Stan Shannon wrote:
take the oil away from the Muslims
How are you going to do that? All muslims everywhere? What about the American muslims? Will they have to sware on the bible before then can fill up their car?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Re-colonize the region
What does that mean? Fill it with westeners? Who would want to live in that heat? I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
Josh Gray wrote:
I have never heard this.
I get that from all the replies from those such as Ed who never miss an opportunity to slam Christian fundamentalism in the US as well as all the anti-Israel sentiments that seem to be growing in force.
Josh Gray wrote:
What does that mean? Invade all muslim countries?
Yes.
Josh Gray wrote:
How are you going to do that? All muslims everywhere? What about the American muslims? Will they have to sware on the bible before then can fill up their car?
Those Muslim nations in the middle east that control the pertroleum in that area.
Josh Gray wrote:
What does that mean? Fill it with westeners? Who would want to live in that heat?
Establish colonial governments controlled by an international coalition of nations that would include China, the EU, the US, Russia, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. but separate from the UN. I would break the region into very small regions each controlled by a government serviing at the behest of the controlling coalition. And yes, I would encourage the imigration of people from around the world to help build the local economies and introduce a more diverse social, religious and political mindset. I would also establish sanctuary states that would be reserved for those Muslims wishing to live in more socially and politically advanced conditions. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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Christian Graus wrote:
In what sense ? Do you mean everyone has the right to believe what they want
Yes, we all have the right to believe whatever we want, but we also have the responsibility to do it in a way that won't be detremental to everyone else.
Christian Graus wrote:
all belief systems are equally true ?
Probably, none of them are true. But hey, if it helps you to believe Jeasus or God or Mohamed or whoever really did help you pass your spelling exam then so be it. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often). -- modified at 18:25 Sunday 29th January, 2006
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
Yes, we all have the right to believe whatever we want, but we also have the responsibility to do it in a way that won't be detremental to everyone else.
Sure - I agree with that. I'm not bothering with the rest. Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++
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Josh Gray wrote:
I have never heard this.
I get that from all the replies from those such as Ed who never miss an opportunity to slam Christian fundamentalism in the US as well as all the anti-Israel sentiments that seem to be growing in force.
Josh Gray wrote:
What does that mean? Invade all muslim countries?
Yes.
Josh Gray wrote:
How are you going to do that? All muslims everywhere? What about the American muslims? Will they have to sware on the bible before then can fill up their car?
Those Muslim nations in the middle east that control the pertroleum in that area.
Josh Gray wrote:
What does that mean? Fill it with westeners? Who would want to live in that heat?
Establish colonial governments controlled by an international coalition of nations that would include China, the EU, the US, Russia, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. but separate from the UN. I would break the region into very small regions each controlled by a government serviing at the behest of the controlling coalition. And yes, I would encourage the imigration of people from around the world to help build the local economies and introduce a more diverse social, religious and political mindset. I would also establish sanctuary states that would be reserved for those Muslims wishing to live in more socially and politically advanced conditions. "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Christian fundamentalism
Is evil
Stan Shannon wrote:
Josh Gray wrote: What does that mean? Invade all muslim countries? Yes.
At what cost?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Those Muslim nations in the middle east that control the pertroleum in that area.
Ahh just those. Dont the rest represent a threat as well?
Stan Shannon wrote:
Establish colonial governments controlled by an international coalition of nations that would include China, the EU, the US, Russia, Japan, Australia, Canada, etc. but separate from the UN. I would break the region into very small regions each controlled by a government serviing at the behest of the controlling coalition. And yes, I would encourage the imigration of people from around the world to help build the local economies and introduce a more diverse social, religious and political mindset. I would also establish sanctuary states that would be reserved for those Muslims wishing to live in more socially and politically advanced conditions.
Sounds like another UN. What makes you think any of those countries would support that action? Sounds a bit like Africa l50 years ago to me. Didnt work so well then. Sancury states? Sounds like what Hitler called the Jewish slums of Germany before ww2 I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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Matthew Hazlett wrote:
Between this, Iraq and Iran, this could (and most likely will) destabalize the region.
You mean that the region wasn't already destabalised?
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
As a US citizen I think we should build structers in Isreal next to the buildings Hamas wants to blow up, maybe that will discurage them?
Or make them more determined - Nothing like a good challenge!
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
We all need to get our ***** in order, this could so easly escalate and get totally out of control
Perhaps Hamas was elected because it already has escalated. ColinMackay.net "Man who stand on hill with mouth open will wait long time for roast duck to drop in." -- Confucius "If a man empties his purse into his head, no man can take it away from him, for an investment in knowledge pays the best interest." -- Joseph E. O'Donnell
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Perhaps Hamas was elected because it already has escalated.
This is a valid point, never really though about that. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
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Your right, its not entirely bad. In fact there are a lot of good things in Religion. However, one belief system is no more valid then another. And when that belief system is used as a club to harm others its time to "kick it to the curb". It is obvious we do not agree on this issue, and thats fine by me. Each person needs to formulate there own answer the question of religion. My view is: It was good in the past It has been used to justify wars / conflicts It's importance needs to be deminished, people need to decide what makes sense to them and what they believe. Not follow some text some guy wrote thousands of years ago. Matthew Hazlett Sometimes I miss the simpler DOS days of Borland Turbo Pascal (but not very often).
Matthew Hazlett wrote:
In fact there are a lot of good things in Religion.However, one belief system is no more valid then another. And when that belief system is used as a club to harm others its time to "kick it to the curb".
To avoid getting sidetracked by unintentional connotations, let's replace "religion" and "belief system" with something less controversial, like "oak":
In fact, there are a lot of good things in oak. However, one wood is no more valid than another. And when that wood is used as a club to harm others, it's time to "kick it to the curb".
Obviously, the last two sentences are not necessarily true. :) Therefore, my view is:
- It was good in the past
- It has been used in the construction of weapons, objects of worship, and in the fueling of house fires.
- Yet it will continue to be important and useful, so long as it is used correctly, properly cared for, and not thought to have properties that it does not posses.
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Well since you know every fucking thing about every fucking thing why do you bother to participate here? I think the Koran is as much a silly fairy tail as your old book. Ya dumb fuck I have taken a vow of poverty. If you want to really piss me off, send me money.
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