Those cartoons again
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I just wonder where is it stated that you may not publish pictures of Mohammed? is it in the quoran? if so, doesnt that rule only apply to muslims? or are muslims trying to force everyone to obey by that rule? are there more rules in the quoran that we should obey? also, why should Denmark apologize ? muslims are burning dansih flags , which is a symbol of destruction of danish society, isnt it? wouldnt denmark and muslims be about even now that both have insulted eachother?
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I just wonder where is it stated that you may not publish pictures of Mohammed? is it in the quoran? if so, doesnt that rule only apply to muslims? or are muslims trying to force everyone to obey by that rule? are there more rules in the quoran that we should obey? also, why should Denmark apologize ? muslims are burning dansih flags , which is a symbol of destruction of danish society, isnt it? wouldnt denmark and muslims be about even now that both have insulted eachother?
Haven't you realized it yet? If you're part of Western society, you're an infidel. And everyone knows what we do with infidels...
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I just wonder where is it stated that you may not publish pictures of Mohammed? is it in the quoran? if so, doesnt that rule only apply to muslims? or are muslims trying to force everyone to obey by that rule? are there more rules in the quoran that we should obey? also, why should Denmark apologize ? muslims are burning dansih flags , which is a symbol of destruction of danish society, isnt it? wouldnt denmark and muslims be about even now that both have insulted eachother?
You're wasting your breath. Muslims are rank hypocrites: apparently it is okay for newspapers in muslim countries to publish any anti-semitic/US/UK vitriol they want to and nobody says a thing. And how come if they dislike free-speech so much they walk through the streets of London with abslute impunity threatening to behead anyone who disagrees with them? How do they think they are able to do that without the principle of free speech??? What's worse is that 2 people who tried to protest against their protest where immediately arrested! It beggars belief that we let this rabble do whatever they want without fear of consequence. It's why they'll win and we'll lose: we don't appear to have the stomach to confront them.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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Haven't you realized it yet? If you're part of Western society, you're an infidel. And everyone knows what we do with infidels...
>>And everyone knows what we do with infidels... no, exactly what is it you do with infidels?
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>>And everyone knows what we do with infidels... no, exactly what is it you do with infidels?
You either convert them or kill them. Or if you're sane, you leave them be. :)
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You're wasting your breath. Muslims are rank hypocrites: apparently it is okay for newspapers in muslim countries to publish any anti-semitic/US/UK vitriol they want to and nobody says a thing. And how come if they dislike free-speech so much they walk through the streets of London with abslute impunity threatening to behead anyone who disagrees with them? How do they think they are able to do that without the principle of free speech??? What's worse is that 2 people who tried to protest against their protest where immediately arrested! It beggars belief that we let this rabble do whatever they want without fear of consequence. It's why they'll win and we'll lose: we don't appear to have the stomach to confront them.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
legalAlien wrote:
You're wasting your breath. Muslims are rank hypocrites: apparently it is okay for newspapers in muslim countries to publish any anti-semitic/US/UK vitriol they want to and nobody says a thing. And how come if they dislike free-speech so much they walk through the streets of London with abslute impunity threatening to behead anyone who disagrees with them? How do they think they are able to do that without the principle of free speech???
Posters urging that people be killed are almost certainly illegal. These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event. I expect (and hope) that this will happen this time around. I agree with you on the issue of hypocrisy, however. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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You either convert them or kill them. Or if you're sane, you leave them be. :)
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
if you're sane
there's the rub... "If anything, the West is awash in an epidemic of self-hate crimes." "a civilization that feels guilty for everything it is and does will lack the energy and conviction to defend itself"
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legalAlien wrote:
You're wasting your breath. Muslims are rank hypocrites: apparently it is okay for newspapers in muslim countries to publish any anti-semitic/US/UK vitriol they want to and nobody says a thing. And how come if they dislike free-speech so much they walk through the streets of London with abslute impunity threatening to behead anyone who disagrees with them? How do they think they are able to do that without the principle of free speech???
Posters urging that people be killed are almost certainly illegal. These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event. I expect (and hope) that this will happen this time around. I agree with you on the issue of hypocrisy, however. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
John Carson wrote:
These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event. I expect (and hope) that this will happen this time around.
Guffaw.
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I just wonder where is it stated that you may not publish pictures of Mohammed? is it in the quoran? if so, doesnt that rule only apply to muslims? or are muslims trying to force everyone to obey by that rule? are there more rules in the quoran that we should obey? also, why should Denmark apologize ? muslims are burning dansih flags , which is a symbol of destruction of danish society, isnt it? wouldnt denmark and muslims be about even now that both have insulted eachother?
In Islam, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible. So, to attempt to, is a limitation of the infinite, and so, a mistake. This applies to all living things, and explains the reliance of Islam on geometric art, as opposed to representations of life, as in the West. This has given the world a unique and beautiful artform in the way of carpets and mosaic work. Nunc est bibendum
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I just wonder where is it stated that you may not publish pictures of Mohammed? is it in the quoran? if so, doesnt that rule only apply to muslims? or are muslims trying to force everyone to obey by that rule? are there more rules in the quoran that we should obey? also, why should Denmark apologize ? muslims are burning dansih flags , which is a symbol of destruction of danish society, isnt it? wouldnt denmark and muslims be about even now that both have insulted eachother?
Come on, guys, I'm sure that other folks have pointed this out before. The cartoons where posted at the end of September. How come it has taken some 4 months for them to become an outrage? May it have to do with the nuclear "crisis" hovering over Iran? No need to speculate about the presumed hypocresy of hundreds of millions of human beings (I mean, please, how infantile can one get) and no need to fantasize on the perfectly spherical meaning of "freedom" (for those not-so-bright-yet-keen-to-aver out there). Just a bit less of naivete.
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In Islam, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible. So, to attempt to, is a limitation of the infinite, and so, a mistake. This applies to all living things, and explains the reliance of Islam on geometric art, as opposed to representations of life, as in the West. This has given the world a unique and beautiful artform in the way of carpets and mosaic work. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
This has given the world a unique and beautiful artform in the way of carpets and mosaic work.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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legalAlien wrote:
You're wasting your breath. Muslims are rank hypocrites: apparently it is okay for newspapers in muslim countries to publish any anti-semitic/US/UK vitriol they want to and nobody says a thing. And how come if they dislike free-speech so much they walk through the streets of London with abslute impunity threatening to behead anyone who disagrees with them? How do they think they are able to do that without the principle of free speech???
Posters urging that people be killed are almost certainly illegal. These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event. I expect (and hope) that this will happen this time around. I agree with you on the issue of hypocrisy, however. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
John Carson wrote:
These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event.
I think that sounds more sensible. If they go in to arrest people the crowd could quickly turn very nasty and riot police would be called in. Its a media society, if the riot police are called in who do you think would get the worse press. At the moment people see these nutters, extoling violence through our principle of free speech and the thought is that they are all hypocrits. Send in the riot police and the police are blamed for inflaming the situation. Photograph them and quietly pull them in for questioning afterwards and no negative media and it looks like we have the moral high ground by permitting them free speech, while never actually giving in to them at all. They have their day in the spotlight and everyone gets to see what nutters they all are. Free speech is wonderful. "It is better to say nothing and be thought a fool, than to open your mouth and remove all doubt". I can't remember who said it, but in this case it is very true.
-Weasels are as curious as raccoons. They look under every bush and sneak into holes. - I may disagree with what you have to say, but I shall defend, to the death, your right to say it. --Voltaire (1694-1778)
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John Carson wrote:
These days, police often prefer to just take photographs and then arrest people one at a time after the event. I expect (and hope) that this will happen this time around.
Guffaw.
If an attempt is made to arrest someone in a large crowd, then that tends to escalate the level of violence and there are more injuries to both police and protestors. If a protest does not immediately threaten persons or property, then letting it run its course and taking action later may be prudent policing. According to a report I read, the police said that the protestors, notwithstanding their signs, basically obeyed police directives. They did not attempt to occupy buildings or set fire to them, did not attempt to beat any one up, nor did they take any other action that posed an immediate threat to persons or property. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Come on, guys, I'm sure that other folks have pointed this out before. The cartoons where posted at the end of September. How come it has taken some 4 months for them to become an outrage? May it have to do with the nuclear "crisis" hovering over Iran? No need to speculate about the presumed hypocresy of hundreds of millions of human beings (I mean, please, how infantile can one get) and no need to fantasize on the perfectly spherical meaning of "freedom" (for those not-so-bright-yet-keen-to-aver out there). Just a bit less of naivete.
DaTxomin wrote:
Come on, guys, I'm sure that other folks have pointed this out before. The cartoons where posted at the end of September. How come it has taken some 4 months for them to become an outrage? May it have to do with the nuclear "crisis" hovering over Iran? No need to speculate about the presumed hypocresy of hundreds of millions of human beings (I mean, please, how infantile can one get) and no need to fantasize on the perfectly spherical meaning of "freedom" (for those not-so-bright-yet-keen-to-aver out there). Just a bit less of naivete.
Just what point you are making on each of the several issues you raise completely eludes me. There has been plenty of activity over those 4 months, even though the matter has not come to world-wide attention until now. The history is described in this article: http://observer.guardian.co.uk/focus/story/0,,1702538,00.html[^] John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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In Islam, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible. So, to attempt to, is a limitation of the infinite, and so, a mistake. This applies to all living things, and explains the reliance of Islam on geometric art, as opposed to representations of life, as in the West. This has given the world a unique and beautiful artform in the way of carpets and mosaic work. Nunc est bibendum
>>In Islam<<, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible ok, so may be it for you who are a muslim. but in my atheist beleif its perfectly ok to do so. are you saying that i still need to obey _your_ rules? http://www.puzzleframework.com
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fat_boy wrote:
This has given the world a unique and beautiful artform in the way of carpets and mosaic work.
:laugh::laugh::laugh:
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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You dont like Turkish carpets for example? How about the Moorish palace in Seville? You see no beauty in that either? Nunc est bibendum
Oh, thought you were attempting humor.
fat_boy wrote:
You dont like Turkish carpets for example?
Nope: revolting. Will not have rugs, cushions, throws or any other questionable soft furnishings in my home. No pink. Ever. And never, ever have a tablecloth on the table. What the fück is the point of buying a beautifully finished piece of wood and then hiding it under a floral tablecloth? Yeeuk. (Same argument for the carpets).
fat_boy wrote:
How about the Moorish palace in Seville? You see no beauty in that either?
Exquisite piece of architecture tho have only (shame to say) seen pictures: never been there.
turning the other cheek just gets you slapped twice
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>>In Islam<<, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible ok, so may be it for you who are a muslim. but in my atheist beleif its perfectly ok to do so. are you saying that i still need to obey _your_ rules? http://www.puzzleframework.com
Roger J wrote:
are you saying that i still need to obey _your_ rules?
I certainly wouldn't say that. I would however argue against deliberately insulting other peoples culture or religion while standing up for their right to do so. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
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>>In Islam<<, one cannot produce any ppicture representing life, as, Alah inhabits all life, and to portray the infinite is impossible ok, so may be it for you who are a muslim. but in my atheist beleif its perfectly ok to do so. are you saying that i still need to obey _your_ rules? http://www.puzzleframework.com
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Roger J wrote:
are you saying that i still need to obey _your_ rules?
I certainly wouldn't say that. I would however argue against deliberately insulting other peoples culture or religion while standing up for their right to do so. Are you gonna bark all, day little doggy. Or are you gonna bite. - Mr Blonde
farmer giles wrote:
against deliberately insulting other peoples culture or religion
I disagree. It is OUR culture to insult anything we want. We have a satirical history going back hundreds of years, and nothing is above that. It is part of our honesty and sense of humour and to avoid insulting a foreign culture by limiting our own is a mistake. Nunc est bibendum