Free Speech Yet Again
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I dont think its a question of free speach. The Germans have the right to make any law they like as long as they dont breach international law. If people want to go there they have no choice but to abide by the German laws. If they dont like it they should stay home. My impression of the sun newspaper from the limited time I have spent in the UK is that their page three girls are more respectable then thier writers. Got a gun, fact I got two That's O.K. man, cuz I love god Glorified version of a pellet gun Feels so manly, when armed Glorified version of a pellet gun
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Although I also think those laws are somehow outdated I also think that it was rather understandable to introduce them after the war (they are not yet introduced just for the english fans - they 'always' existed). Logically if such laws exist also English football fans must respect them.
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(1) We are sick of your Nazi jokes. They were funny until around March 17, 1957. They are stale, boring, childish and not funny. Bring on some healthy, dry english humour, and we get along. (2) certain insignia of the 3rd reich are prohibited in Germany. Everyone knows that, and if you come here, follow the rules. (3) Laws like that are the only measure a democratic country has against shitheads. Would you rather have a headline "30.000 Nazis march through Berlin! US Ambassador applauds german courts for ruling they are protected under free speech."? OK, those english folks with a Nazi fetish probably wouldget off on that, but IMHO they should stick to their sheep.
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(1) We are sick of your Nazi jokes. They were funny until around March 17, 1957. They are stale, boring, childish and not funny. Bring on some healthy, dry english humour, and we get along. (2) certain insignia of the 3rd reich are prohibited in Germany. Everyone knows that, and if you come here, follow the rules. (3) Laws like that are the only measure a democratic country has against shitheads. Would you rather have a headline "30.000 Nazis march through Berlin! US Ambassador applauds german courts for ruling they are protected under free speech."? OK, those english folks with a Nazi fetish probably wouldget off on that, but IMHO they should stick to their sheep.
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Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistpeterchen wrote:
We are sick of your Nazi jokes.
Except for John Cleese in fawlty towers of course.
peterchen wrote:
They are stale, boring, childish and not funny. Bring on some healthy, dry english humour, and we get along.
All others perhaps but not John Cleese's jokes.
peterchen wrote:
certain insignia of the 3rd reich are prohibited in Germany. Everyone knows that, and if you come here, follow the rules.
That's absolutely correct. If someone wants to make gestures or waer signs of that kind, he isn't welcomed. Germany and many people in Germany had suffered from the third reich, too. When someone don't understand that he can go to an "Konzentrationslager". That's not funny. When the world comes together for games, it should be a sign of peace. Anyone who wants to make trouble can think about that in the cells, when he won't see the games but grids instead of. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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Hey, i heard that showing middle finger while driving is illegal in some states of USA.
-Prakash
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I dont think its a question of free speach. The Germans have the right to make any law they like as long as they dont breach international law. If people want to go there they have no choice but to abide by the German laws. If they dont like it they should stay home. My impression of the sun newspaper from the limited time I have spent in the UK is that their page three girls are more respectable then thier writers. Got a gun, fact I got two That's O.K. man, cuz I love god Glorified version of a pellet gun Feels so manly, when armed Glorified version of a pellet gun
But it is a question of free speech within Germany. Can you or cannot you not speak freely in Germany. Nobody says they have to have free speech but it sure would be a good thing. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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(1) We are sick of your Nazi jokes. They were funny until around March 17, 1957. They are stale, boring, childish and not funny. Bring on some healthy, dry english humour, and we get along. (2) certain insignia of the 3rd reich are prohibited in Germany. Everyone knows that, and if you come here, follow the rules. (3) Laws like that are the only measure a democratic country has against shitheads. Would you rather have a headline "30.000 Nazis march through Berlin! US Ambassador applauds german courts for ruling they are protected under free speech."? OK, those english folks with a Nazi fetish probably wouldget off on that, but IMHO they should stick to their sheep.
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Tree in C# || Fold With Us! || sighistBut you are OK with the printing of the Mohammed cartoons? :confused: regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Hey, i heard that showing middle finger while driving is illegal in some states of USA.
-Prakash
A found some funny ones: It is illegal to rob a bank and then shoot at the bank teller with a water pistol in Louisana. And hunting camels is prohibited in Arizona. The entire Encyclopedia Britannica is banned in Texas because it contains a formula for making beer at home (what is about free speech when books are banned? :laugh:). Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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But you are OK with the printing of the Mohammed cartoons? :confused: regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
That's a silly comparison. Under the signs of the third reich millions of people were killed and they are used by those, who liked this times. Those who made the Mohammed cartoons didn't killed any people and I think this wasn't the intend. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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But it is a question of free speech within Germany. Can you or cannot you not speak freely in Germany. Nobody says they have to have free speech but it sure would be a good thing. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
You're right, this is a question of free speech within Germany. I think the circumstances in regard to what happened in WWII are justified. I see it as a legal implementation of common sense and curtesy just like laws that prevent people from walking around with their 'bits' hanging out. In terms of the football supporters they can take it or leave it I reckon. I think its a very different situation to the bloody cartoons and I think this just a cheap news paper looking for a free ride on the back of the current controversy. Got a gun, fact I got two That's O.K. man, cuz I love god Glorified version of a pellet gun Feels so manly, when armed Glorified version of a pellet gun
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But you are OK with the printing of the Mohammed cartoons? :confused: regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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That's a silly comparison. Under the signs of the third reich millions of people were killed and they are used by those, who liked this times. Those who made the Mohammed cartoons didn't killed any people and I think this wasn't the intend. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich. Plus you, nor I, can go around saying "This hate speak is fine but that hate speak is not fine." None of us are wise enough or unbiased enough to be the decider of such matters. The whole point is that no one group is more important than the other. No one group should have privileges that others do not have. That is what the Third Reich wanted, layers of humanity with different levels of rights. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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The two issues are very different, because in Germany it is illegal to do the thing in question. In Denmark it isn't illegal to print pictures of Mohammed. --------------------------- 127.0.0.1 - Sweet 127.0.0.1
We can't have such special treatment and expect no problems. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
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Hey, i heard that showing middle finger while driving is illegal in some states of USA.
-Prakash
In most parts of the country, the question of whether it was legal or not would be the least of your worries. Do that here and you'd better be bad ass enough to back it up. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich. Plus you, nor I, can go around saying "This hate speak is fine but that hate speak is not fine." None of us are wise enough or unbiased enough to be the decider of such matters. The whole point is that no one group is more important than the other. No one group should have privileges that others do not have. That is what the Third Reich wanted, layers of humanity with different levels of rights. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich.
That's right.
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus you, nor I, can go around saying "This hate speak is fine but that hate speak is not fine." None of us are wise enough or unbiased enough to be the decider of such matters.
I didn't do that. But these are two different things. When someone uses a symbol of terror you have to ban it. But when someone makes a joke over something you shouldn't prohibit it (except when he try to use it for legalize a symbol of terror). Jokes about the nazis are not prohobited and so jokes about mohamed shouldn't be prohibited. The "Hakenkreuz" and the "Hitlergruß" are prohibited and so every symbol of terroristic ring should be. If you say "I'm from Hamas and like to kill americans" that is the same like saying "I'm a nazi and want to kill jews". Both are inacceptable.
Paul Watson wrote:
The whole point is that no one group is more important than the other. No one group should have privileges that others do not have. That is what the Third Reich wanted, layers of humanity with different levels of rights.
That's right and we never said something else. You should read what we have written and then look about the things, we were talking about. If you mix up jokes with terror than we have no point to talk about. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
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Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich. Plus you, nor I, can go around saying "This hate speak is fine but that hate speak is not fine." None of us are wise enough or unbiased enough to be the decider of such matters. The whole point is that no one group is more important than the other. No one group should have privileges that others do not have. That is what the Third Reich wanted, layers of humanity with different levels of rights. regards, Paul Watson Ireland Feed Henry! K(arl) wrote: oh, and BTW, CHRISTIAN ISN'T A PARADOX, HE IS A TASMANIAN!
Paul Watson wrote:
Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich.
Paul, that is sheer leftist propaganda, which you should be above. How could you, or anyone else, possibly know how many 'millions' have been killed in the name of religion? I seriously doubt that you could document more than a few hundred deaths, at best, that are directly attributable to any kind of religious fundamentalist causes. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Paul Watson wrote:
Many more millions have been killed in the name of religion (and the slander of other people's religions) than were killed by the Third Reich.
That's right.
Paul Watson wrote:
Plus you, nor I, can go around saying "This hate speak is fine but that hate speak is not fine." None of us are wise enough or unbiased enough to be the decider of such matters.
I didn't do that. But these are two different things. When someone uses a symbol of terror you have to ban it. But when someone makes a joke over something you shouldn't prohibit it (except when he try to use it for legalize a symbol of terror). Jokes about the nazis are not prohobited and so jokes about mohamed shouldn't be prohibited. The "Hakenkreuz" and the "Hitlergruß" are prohibited and so every symbol of terroristic ring should be. If you say "I'm from Hamas and like to kill americans" that is the same like saying "I'm a nazi and want to kill jews". Both are inacceptable.
Paul Watson wrote:
The whole point is that no one group is more important than the other. No one group should have privileges that others do not have. That is what the Third Reich wanted, layers of humanity with different levels of rights.
That's right and we never said something else. You should read what we have written and then look about the things, we were talking about. If you mix up jokes with terror than we have no point to talk about. Greetings, Ingo ------------------------------ A bug in a Microsoft Product? No! It's not a bug it's an undocumented feature!
ihoecken wrote:
That's right.
No, it isn't. "You get that which you tolerate"
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So? Freedom of speech, as with any freedom, is not absolute. Freedom must be used responsibly or it can legitimately be taken away. Get used to it. "You get that which you tolerate"
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I dont think its a question of free speach. The Germans have the right to make any law they like as long as they dont breach international law. If people want to go there they have no choice but to abide by the German laws. If they dont like it they should stay home. My impression of the sun newspaper from the limited time I have spent in the UK is that their page three girls are more respectable then thier writers. Got a gun, fact I got two That's O.K. man, cuz I love god Glorified version of a pellet gun Feels so manly, when armed Glorified version of a pellet gun