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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
David Wulff wrote:
Shaken, but alive.
Good. Now, come drive around Colorado for a few weeks - you'll learn a whole new meaning to the term "defensive driving". :sigh:
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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
Glad you are ok. Shocked you keep a gun with you all the time. Regards, Nish
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David Wulff wrote:
Shaken, but alive.
Good. Now, come drive around Colorado for a few weeks - you'll learn a whole new meaning to the term "defensive driving". :sigh:
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Shog9 wrote:
Now, come drive around Colorado for a few weeks - you'll learn a whole new meaning to the term "defensive driving".
Bah - you westerners need to visit India, get a temp driving permit, and drive around for a few minutes (yes I said minutes). You'll never want to do that again! Regards, Nish
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Glad you are ok. Shocked you keep a gun with you all the time. Regards, Nish
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Shog9 wrote:
Now, come drive around Colorado for a few weeks - you'll learn a whole new meaning to the term "defensive driving".
Bah - you westerners need to visit India, get a temp driving permit, and drive around for a few minutes (yes I said minutes). You'll never want to do that again! Regards, Nish
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You'll never want to do that again!
I'll never want to do that once - you sent me a picture of the sort of vehicle driven there once, and as i recall it was a sort of three-wheeled motorbike with a roof over it... :~
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You'll never want to do that again!
I'll never want to do that once - you sent me a picture of the sort of vehicle driven there once, and as i recall it was a sort of three-wheeled motorbike with a roof over it... :~
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Shog9 wrote:
I'll never want to do that once - you sent me a picture of the sort of vehicle driven there once, and as i recall it was a sort of three-wheeled motorbike with a roof over it...
LOL That's an auto-rickshaw. It's like a taxi (only cheaper) and the driving public do not use that. Regards, Nish
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You don't remember all David's gleeful "got a new Airsoft" posts?
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Shog9 wrote:
You don't remember all David's gleeful "got a new Airsoft" posts?
No, maybe I missed them. But to keep a gun with you when you drive and go around, egad, that sounds scary! Regards, Nish
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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
Thank goodnes you are ok. Something like that would leave me shaking for days. In your post "as hthe car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). " I don't understand what you mean by undertaking you? Meaning he slowed down, despite having cut you off? Why is that illegal - I mean, obviously it's dangerous, but is there a law against specifically that, and not the other actions of the car which you describe? And to digress from the main point of your story- is owning a gun in Great Britain legal (out of curiousity- we won't ever tell) ;) Again, glad you're alive and well to tell the harrowing story to us. It's too bad the kids weren't stopped by the police. They wouldn't be so quick to endanger others' lives next time. :rose:blueSprite
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Thank goodnes you are ok. Something like that would leave me shaking for days. In your post "as hthe car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). " I don't understand what you mean by undertaking you? Meaning he slowed down, despite having cut you off? Why is that illegal - I mean, obviously it's dangerous, but is there a law against specifically that, and not the other actions of the car which you describe? And to digress from the main point of your story- is owning a gun in Great Britain legal (out of curiousity- we won't ever tell) ;) Again, glad you're alive and well to tell the harrowing story to us. It's too bad the kids weren't stopped by the police. They wouldn't be so quick to endanger others' lives next time. :rose:blueSprite
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blueSprite wrote:
And to digress from the main point of your story- is owning a gun in Great Britain legal
No - it will be an air-pistol of some description (IIRC it is one of Davids hobbies).
Oh, thanks, that explains it. :rose: blueSprite
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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
David Wulff wrote:
how completely oblivious towards the risks they were taking those people were
What can be done? Increase the driving age? - probably wouldn't of helped in this case. Insuring people like this off the road? Not really fair on the rest of us. Tough call, but I don't find any aspect of your post surprising apart from...
David Wulff wrote:
And then, just as I am reaching for the gun under my seat
You're taking the piss right? Or do you really drive around with an air-pistol under your drivers seat? If so ... why??? Mate, if a copper had seen you brandishing that thing at another motorist, you'd be fucked! For starters, they'd think "gun" - and you'd surely be entering a world of pain! Would some boy-racer out to impress his brethren of slags really be worth a criminal record?
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So I'm driving home tonight minding my own business on a virtually deserted stretch of three-carriageway motorway. Approaching a traffic join, I see there is a car going way to fast down the slip road so I mirror-signal-manoeuvre into the middle lane like a good little driver should to let him join without him hitting me. My first mistake, obviously. This car swerved straight across the separation between the slip road (still coming in at an angle of about 45 degrees at that point) and straight into the inside line. No indicating signals... but I guess it is hard to reach for the stalk when you are trying to stop your car rolling straight over eight lanes of motorway and down the other side. At this point I am along side the car about where the driver's blind spot is. My second mistake, obviously. The car then swerves right into my lane. For the first 200ms I just hung over to the far right* of my lane assuming he is just drifting a little in the wind or a patch of bad road surface. By about 300ms my adrenaline levels shoot through the roof as the car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). I am forced to swerve hard into the outside lane to avoid making contact. If I hadn't then we would both get thrown out of balance and they would most likely end up underneath my car as I flip over the top of them and roll, lengthways, across the barrier into the articulated lorry coming the other way. In short, they would probably survive while I would very likely be killed along with the lorry driver. * Remember: we backwards Brits drive on the left My third mistake, obviously. I hold control of the car throughout all of that (all 800ms of it by now), but I chose to - and I feel I was entitled to given the circumstances - give a long blast on my horn and a very nasty look as the driver finally noticed I was on the road too and started braking. So now, about five seconds later, I am past the car and pull back to the left into the middle lane, and then back into the inside line (which was where the other car should be given it was totally empty for 600 yards in either direction). As far as I am concerned, it is over. Nobody died and hopefully the driver has learn't the hard way that he must check his blindspot before ilegally speeding down slip roads, violating traffic orders and getting to within inches of killing other people by driving dangerously. Yet another mistake by me, it seems. The driver and passengers (font and back) now try and break th
Geez, you had my adrenaline pumped reading that. Sure glad you survived! Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
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Thank goodnes you are ok. Something like that would leave me shaking for days. In your post "as hthe car comes within six inches of my front wing (now undertaking me - which is illegal). " I don't understand what you mean by undertaking you? Meaning he slowed down, despite having cut you off? Why is that illegal - I mean, obviously it's dangerous, but is there a law against specifically that, and not the other actions of the car which you describe? And to digress from the main point of your story- is owning a gun in Great Britain legal (out of curiousity- we won't ever tell) ;) Again, glad you're alive and well to tell the harrowing story to us. It's too bad the kids weren't stopped by the police. They wouldn't be so quick to endanger others' lives next time. :rose:blueSprite
blueSprite wrote:
Thank goodnes you are ok. Something like that would leave me shaking for days.
To be honest, I'm not ok. It took me a few minutes to finally get out of my car when I did get home, but I'll survive it.
blueSprite wrote:
undertaking
Our roads have a simple, universal rule - only overtake on the offside. This way accidents due to overtaking are less frequent because people can expect that if they overtake someone, they won't find them forcing them into faster traffic. Undertaking isn't slowing down after overtaking, it is overtaking on the wrong side. The rule may seem odd, but it does make sense, and it lets the main routes run relatively freely with people driving at all speeds.
blueSprite wrote:
is owning a gun in Great Britain legal
Handguns, no. Certain rifles and shotguns can be licensed for game or vermin. I was trying to inject some humour into a pretty fucked up day by sayng I was reaching for my gun. (although I do have plenty to choose from ...[^] when I go to airsoft events.)
blueSprite wrote:
It's too bad the kids weren't stopped by the police. They wouldn't be so quick to endanger others' lives next time.
I would like to think so, but I am not convinced. I think our resident wise man, Roger, was probably spot on in the thread below when he said they believe they are imortal. The main shock for me today was not how close I came, but how four people could eagerly put themselves in such obvious (imo) danger. The mind boggles. :confused:
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David Wulff wrote:
how completely oblivious towards the risks they were taking those people were
What can be done? Increase the driving age? - probably wouldn't of helped in this case. Insuring people like this off the road? Not really fair on the rest of us. Tough call, but I don't find any aspect of your post surprising apart from...
David Wulff wrote:
And then, just as I am reaching for the gun under my seat
You're taking the piss right? Or do you really drive around with an air-pistol under your drivers seat? If so ... why??? Mate, if a copper had seen you brandishing that thing at another motorist, you'd be fucked! For starters, they'd think "gun" - and you'd surely be entering a world of pain! Would some boy-racer out to impress his brethren of slags really be worth a criminal record?
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
You're taking the piss right?
Yes. Like all good Brits I put humour into such things because it makes it slightly easier to bare the absurd things that happen to us every day. I am very particular about my guns - I wont even drive with magazines in the same cases when I'm going to events, etc, just in case.
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Geez, you had my adrenaline pumped reading that. Sure glad you survived! Marc Pensieve Functional Entanglement vs. Code Entanglement Static Classes Make For Rigid Architectures Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
Geez, you had my adrenaline pumped reading that.
Same here - for a few seconds, I was imagining some hard-core ways to get back at those assholes. :-)
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Glad you got out unscathed. :)
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
It will take more than a few chavs[^] to get rid of me. ;P And if they do manage it, I'll be damned sure to take many of them with me.
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Shog9 wrote:
Now, come drive around Colorado for a few weeks - you'll learn a whole new meaning to the term "defensive driving".
Bah - you westerners need to visit India, get a temp driving permit, and drive around for a few minutes (yes I said minutes). You'll never want to do that again! Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You'll never want to do that again!
You've obviously been to Paris. :rolleyes: I was a pedestrian and I was still scared.
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Glad you are ok. Shocked you keep a gun with you all the time. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!I don't carry a gun, never have done and never will do. My hobby - airsoft - is practised at organised events. Come on Nish, I'm not that bloody stupid. I am honestly shocked that anyone would think I was being serious with that comment, but I guess maybe it is believable in this world we live in. :sigh:
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