Good Friday could be better.
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
It was easier because people were already celebrating on that day, so the christian holiady was made to be the same day to co-opt the existing pagan holiday. This also explains why there is still confusion today. What does santa have to do with jesus' birthday and what does the easter bunny have to do with christ's ressurection?
Santa and the easter bunny are more recent inventions. Other than helping to secularize the religious holidays to appease militant atheists, they really have no bearing...Other than Santa Claus is derived from a saint, the Christmas tree represents the holy trinity and perhaps the eggs from the easter bunny represent new life per the resurrection, but I have no idea.
Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
What are you smoking now? First, I'm not a militant atheist. I don't believe in god, but I have no problem with christians as long as they don't try to tell me what to believe. Second, atheists don't think that christians are pagans. Atheists don't have a charter or talking points or a common set of beliefs, so I can't tell you what they believe, but it's my personal opinion that christians are just people who feel overwhelmed by the "why am I here" question and can't live without some kind of answer (even if they know deep down that answer is contrived) and/or they just like to belong to a group.
You claim not to be a militant atheist, yet here you are attacking Christianity to spread your creed. I've heard and read numerous times (from atheists) that Christianity is only based on Roman paganism because they chose to supplant their pagan holiday with a Christian one. you might not be trying to make that claim right now, but it's certainly not a new one. Your suggestion that Christians are emotionally/intellectually inferior is another claim commonly made by militant atheists. If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...It's probably a duck.
espeir wrote:
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...It's probably a duck.
So you are emotionally stunted and need to hold onto and attack from some moral high ground. If it's not Christianity it's America is the best crap. At least you posts of the past couple of days have some kind of consistency. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
No, they were simply adopting Christianity. Christ's date of birth was not known, so they made December 25th the day of the celebration because it was easier that way. You militant atheists like to make it sound like Christianity is really just paganism...or whatever the weird theory of the month is.
So couldn't the Pope just fucking ask Jesus? Or better still couldn't the Disciples and other assorted fucks who wrote the bible just ask Jesus or Mary directly? How come Christianity is all factual and 100% correct and believable but it's about 99.35% unknown and just filled in by any wanker who wants to control some huge amount of mental midgets? Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
This stuff really pisses you off, doesn't it? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
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bugDanny wrote:
Easter does come from pagan religions. The bunny was a symbol of fertility (don't remember from what religion right now). The eggs are also not Christian, etc. Is it really right to celebrate something that is tainted by pagan beliefs? I'll leave the answer to that to the reader.
Actually, as I stated, the Easter bunny is a recent invention: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Easter_bunny[^] "Recently, a neopagan legend has sprung up concerning the Easter Bunny. Though it is usually circulated as a Pagan tradition, it does not appear before 1990; it is presented by a fictitious character, Mrs. Sharp, created by an author of inspirational aphorisms. (Sarah Ban Breathnach, 'Nostalgic Suggestions for Re-Creating the Family Celebrations and Seasonal Pastimes of the Victorian Home'). It reached a far wider audience when in 2002 a version of the story, The Coming of Eostre, was published in Cricket magazine. According to the story, Eostre found a wounded bird in the snow. To help the little bird survive the winter, she transformed it into a rabbit, but the transformation was incomplete and the rabbit retained the ability to lay eggs. In thanks for its life being saved, the rabbit took the eggs and decorated them and left them as gifts for Eostre.[2] This story is deemed fakelore by critics, who point out that it has never appeared in any historical account of pagan celebrations, nor in any attempt to reconstruct the same by folklorists such as Grimm. There is also no historical evidence linking Ostara to the hare or rabbit." Christianity is not tainted by pagan beliefs. That's just another angle of attack taken up by militant atheists bent on destroying the concept of any religion but their own.
espeir wrote:
"Recently, a neopagan legend has sprung up concerning the Easter Bunny. Though it is usually circulated as a Pagan tradition, it does not appear before 1990;
Fuck off idiot, the Easter Bunny frequented my place from the early 1970's. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
...the Christmas tree represents the holy trinity...
This is a Saint Boniface legend.
espeir wrote:
the eggs from the easter bunny represent new life per the resurrection, but I have no idea.
Not the eggs, but the bunny itself, as it is highly fertile and symbolic of Spring. We can thank the Germans for this.
"Let us be thankful for the fools. But for them the rest of us could not succeed." - Mark Twain
"There is no death, only a change of worlds." - Native American Proverb
DavidCrow wrote:
Not the eggs, but the bunny itself, as it is highly fertile and symbolic of Spring. We can thank the Germans for this.
yeah, I don't personally get the whole Easter Bunny connection (as I said). However, Google tells me that the Easter Bunny first came around in Germany in the 1500's. It may be a symbol of springtime, but that doesn't make it a pagan symbol by any interpretation.
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They think the Messiah has yet to come. Only idiots think that Jesus Christ did not exist as a historical figure.
espeir wrote:
They think the Messiah has yet to come.
So it's not Jesus, though Jesus was King of the Jews. Makes pefect sense now.
espeir wrote:
Only idiots think that Jesus Christ did not exist as a historical figure.
Fuck off twat, why cause he was in a book. Shit Brian had his own movie, better start the whole Brian is the Messiah thing in earnest now as we all know movies are better than books. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
If it looks like a duck and walks like a duck...It's probably a duck.
So you are emotionally stunted and need to hold onto and attack from some moral high ground. If it's not Christianity it's America is the best crap. At least you posts of the past couple of days have some kind of consistency. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
So you are emotionally stunted and need to hold onto and attack from some moral high ground.
And just a couple posts ago, I said...
espeir wrote:
Your suggestion that Christians are emotionally/intellectually inferior is another claim commonly made by militant atheists.
Wow! Do I know my stuff or what! :cool:
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This stuff really pisses you off, doesn't it? BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wrightbrianwelsch wrote:
This stuff really pisses you off, doesn't it?
Yes. I'm not overly imaginative and was pretty piss poor at English at school. But even I, back in year 7 could have come up with a story with fewer loose ends than this shit. Fuck if Jesus exists he better fucking run and hide when I die. Cunt lets me get fucked over as a child and thats alright but ran around thousands of years ago curing lepers. Twat. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
No, they were simply adopting Christianity. Christ's date of birth was not known, so they made December 25th the day of the celebration because it was easier that way. You militant atheists like to make it sound like Christianity is really just paganism...or whatever the weird theory of the month is.
So couldn't the Pope just fucking ask Jesus? Or better still couldn't the Disciples and other assorted fucks who wrote the bible just ask Jesus or Mary directly? How come Christianity is all factual and 100% correct and believable but it's about 99.35% unknown and just filled in by any wanker who wants to control some huge amount of mental midgets? Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
So couldn't the Pope just fucking ask Jesus?
Who says the Pope has personal conversations with Jesus?
Michael Martin wrote:
r better still couldn't the Disciples and other assorted fucks who wrote the bible just ask Jesus or Mary directly?
Who says they didn't. The date wasn't recorded.
Michael Martin wrote:
huge amount of mental midgets
Christians and other theists hold some of the highest intellectualy positions in the world and historically have. I think you're in the "mental midget" camp on this one.
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brianwelsch wrote:
This stuff really pisses you off, doesn't it?
Yes. I'm not overly imaginative and was pretty piss poor at English at school. But even I, back in year 7 could have come up with a story with fewer loose ends than this shit. Fuck if Jesus exists he better fucking run and hide when I die. Cunt lets me get fucked over as a child and thats alright but ran around thousands of years ago curing lepers. Twat. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
c*** lets me get fucked over as a child
Did daddy....touch you?
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espeir wrote:
"Recently, a neopagan legend has sprung up concerning the Easter Bunny. Though it is usually circulated as a Pagan tradition, it does not appear before 1990;
Fuck off idiot, the Easter Bunny frequented my place from the early 1970's. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
the Easter Bunny frequented my place from the early 1970's.
Was it daddy....In a suit?
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espeir wrote:
They think the Messiah has yet to come.
So it's not Jesus, though Jesus was King of the Jews. Makes pefect sense now.
espeir wrote:
Only idiots think that Jesus Christ did not exist as a historical figure.
Fuck off twat, why cause he was in a book. Shit Brian had his own movie, better start the whole Brian is the Messiah thing in earnest now as we all know movies are better than books. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
So it's not Jesus, though Jesus was King of the Jews. Makes pefect sense now.
Do you know anything? Inri (an abbreaviation for "Jesus the Nazarene, the King of the Jews") was a joke made to mock Jesus by the Jews who crucified him.
Michael Martin wrote:
f*** off twat, why cause he was in a book. sh*t Brian had his own movie, better start the whole Brian is the Messiah thing in earnest now as we all know movies are better than books.
There's plenty of history around it. Ask any legitimate historian if Jesus existed as a historical figure. Even if you don't think of him as a religious figure, it is very clear that he existed. Only idiots think otherwise.
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brianwelsch wrote:
This stuff really pisses you off, doesn't it?
Yes. I'm not overly imaginative and was pretty piss poor at English at school. But even I, back in year 7 could have come up with a story with fewer loose ends than this shit. Fuck if Jesus exists he better fucking run and hide when I die. Cunt lets me get fucked over as a child and thats alright but ran around thousands of years ago curing lepers. Twat. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Maybe he's been busy, what with the global population growing like crazy. He can't rightly be expected to make things right for everyone here on Earth. That's what the promise of Heaven is all about. It's like, "Sorry, things get out of hand down here, but stick with me and I'll make it alright after your times up". BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
espeir wrote:
I think you're confusing the dates with the pagan nature of Roman holidays (an intentional confusion frequently done by militant atheists).
Militant atheists with time machines!! :rolleyes: Dude, why do you seem to think there's some secret cabal ... let's call them the Illuminatheists ... that is out to get Christianity?
espeir wrote:
The dates were chosen because they were not already known and previous pagan holidays already occurred on those dates.
They wanted to co-op the pagan holidays. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pagan_beliefs_surrounding_Christmas#
Why_do_people_celebrate_Jesus.27_birth_on_December_25.3F "In 350, Pope Julius I declared that Christ's birth would be celebrated on December 25. There is wide acceptance of the belief that Pope Julius I was trying to make it as painless as possible for pagan Romans, who remained a majority at that time, to convert to Christianity. The new religion went down a bit easier, knowing that their feasts would not be taken away from them."I contend that we are both atheists. I just believe in one fewer god than you do. When you understand why you dismiss all the other possible gods, you will understand why I dismiss yours. ~Stephen Roberts
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Daniel R Ferguson wrote:
let's call them the Illuminatheists
Sweet! Can I use that? Or does it have some funny Canadian copyright on it now? "If the world should blow itself up, the last audible voice would be that of an expert saying it can't be done." - Peter Ustinov
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Michael Martin wrote:
So you are emotionally stunted and need to hold onto and attack from some moral high ground.
And just a couple posts ago, I said...
espeir wrote:
Your suggestion that Christians are emotionally/intellectually inferior is another claim commonly made by militant atheists.
Wow! Do I know my stuff or what! :cool:
espeir wrote:
Wow! Do I know my stuff or what! :suss:
Not really cock muncher, I forgot the inability of the average american to get irony or sarcasm. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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Michael Martin wrote:
c*** lets me get fucked over as a child
Did daddy....touch you?
espeir wrote:
Did daddy....touch you?
Close cockhead, lucky you live a long way away, I track down and beat fuck out of smarmy fucks like you over here. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
Wow! Do I know my stuff or what! :suss:
Not really cock muncher, I forgot the inability of the average american to get irony or sarcasm. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
No, I'm pretty sure I know my stuff! :cool:
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Michael Martin wrote:
So couldn't the Pope just fucking ask Jesus?
Who says the Pope has personal conversations with Jesus?
Michael Martin wrote:
r better still couldn't the Disciples and other assorted fucks who wrote the bible just ask Jesus or Mary directly?
Who says they didn't. The date wasn't recorded.
Michael Martin wrote:
huge amount of mental midgets
Christians and other theists hold some of the highest intellectualy positions in the world and historically have. I think you're in the "mental midget" camp on this one.
espeir wrote:
Who says the Pope has personal conversations with Jesus?
A billion or so Catholics.
espeir wrote:
Who says they didn't. The date wasn't recorded.
But they can get esoteric crap like specific people being turned into salt and stuff like that but not important shit like dates associated with the Messiah. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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espeir wrote:
Did daddy....touch you?
Close cockhead, lucky you live a long way away, I track down and beat fuck out of smarmy fucks like you over here. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
Close cockhead, lucky you live a long way away, I track down and beat f*** out of smarmy fucks like you over here.
I doubt you would be capable. So it turns out that the enlightened atheist is actually just a crazy.
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Maybe he's been busy, what with the global population growing like crazy. He can't rightly be expected to make things right for everyone here on Earth. That's what the promise of Heaven is all about. It's like, "Sorry, things get out of hand down here, but stick with me and I'll make it alright after your times up". BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven Wright -
espeir wrote:
Who says the Pope has personal conversations with Jesus?
A billion or so Catholics.
espeir wrote:
Who says they didn't. The date wasn't recorded.
But they can get esoteric crap like specific people being turned into salt and stuff like that but not important shit like dates associated with the Messiah. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
Michael Martin wrote:
A billion or so Catholics.
Really? News to me!
Michael Martin wrote:
But they can get esoteric crap like specific people being turned into salt and stuff like that but not important sh*t like dates associated with the Messiah.
Dates aren't really big in the Bible, in case you haven't noticed. Although archeology has managed to pinpoint numerous events.