Religion????????
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Richard Parsons wrote:
I however don't believe that it was by chance that everything came into existence because we are told that God created everything in six days and then rested on the seventh.
What on earth, if I may be so bold to ask, have made you believe that? Ask yourself, has God ever told you this, or have you been told by other men?
God told me: Genesis 1:31-2:3 (31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. -Richard
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Whats your take on religion. Do you "believe" or not. "When a man ceases to believe in god, he does not believe in nothing. He believes in everything." ..........G.K. Chesterson "When in comes to bullshit...bigtime, major league bullshit...you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims...religion." ..........George Carlin "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." ..........Ben Franklin
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God told me: Genesis 1:31-2:3 (31) And God saw every thing that he had made, and, behold, it was very good. And the evening and the morning were the sixth day. (1) Thus the heavens and the earth were finished, and all the host of them. (2) And on the seventh day God ended his work which he had made; and he rested on the seventh day from all his work which he had made. (3) And God blessed the seventh day, and sanctified it: because that in it he had rested from all his work which God created and made. -Richard
No, God didn't tell you that. A bunch of humans have written that. You believe though that God wrote it. Also, the bible is poorly written for the most part, so I wouldn't insult the almighty by accusing him of writing it. What amazes me, is that you and many others, put far more faith into the men that came before, than in God himself.
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Religion is the result of a set of very fundamental instincts which define our humanity. We all place our faith in something. It is impossible not to. The most modern incrnation of religion consists of reason and rationality and the scientific methodlogies. Yet, the notion that the human mind is even capable of comphrehending the true nature of the universe is an act of faith in and of itself. Science, ultimately, is nothing more than a way of quantifying what we observe, of reducing it down to a set of precise mathmatical relationships. The problem with that is that we have to accept on faith that what we are observing and measuring is real, while the only reality we have any direct experience with is the phenomenon of our own conscious existence which we have yet to achieve anything remotely approching a satisfying explanation for. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
The problem with that is that we have to accept on faith that what we are observing and measuring is real, while the only reality we have any direct experience with is the phenomenon of our own conscious existence which we have yet to achieve anything remotely approching a satisfying explanation for.
The nice thing about science is that you can come to the conclusion that you are wrong, and revise your theory to fit your new data. It's worse for Judaism and Christianity, which have to defend the creation. They can't change the theory, because then it'll tarnish the very foundation of these beliefs. On the contrary, science grows stronger for every time a theory is revised to be more accurate.
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Some people will argue that you are religious for not believing. :rolleyes: OT: Where in Israel do you live?
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Stan Shannon wrote:
The problem with that is that we have to accept on faith that what we are observing and measuring is real, while the only reality we have any direct experience with is the phenomenon of our own conscious existence which we have yet to achieve anything remotely approching a satisfying explanation for.
The nice thing about science is that you can come to the conclusion that you are wrong, and revise your theory to fit your new data. It's worse for Judaism and Christianity, which have to defend the creation. They can't change the theory, because then it'll tarnish the very foundation of these beliefs. On the contrary, science grows stronger for every time a theory is revised to be more accurate.
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The nice thing about science is that you can come to the conclusion that you are wrong, and revise your theory to fit your new data. It's worse for Judaism and Christianity, which have to defend the creation. They can't change the theory, because then it'll tarnish the very foundation of these beliefs. On the contrary, science grows stronger for every time a theory is revised to be more accurate.
On the other hand, science has the problem of being understandable by only an elite few blessed with the intellect and the time to invest in understanding it. The rest of us can only kind of stand around going "Wow! Thats amazing!" without ever really quite understanding completely what the hell it is we are being told. Religion provides a more immediate, populist kind of appeal. I can be one of many with a perfect comprehension of how everything came to be. I would never argue that science is not a better investment of one's faith than is religion. The power of scientific methodologies are indisputably more robust than are those of relgion. ( Just try to determine the structure or even the existence of DNA by reading the Koran or the Bible). But science is more difficlut to approach for the common man. Ultimately, all we really are is little bubbles of consciousness bobbing around in a sea of sub-atomic particles placing our faith in ever more highly evolved ways of trying to figure out how the fuck we got here. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Based upon what principle?
Based on the "theory" that life evolves. It is a logical assumption that if the earth split than both it and the moon would contain at least some kind of life that would have continued until now.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The moon is being shot away from the earth. Its just doing it rather slowly.
Yes but if it had always moved that slow then when it split to begin with the earth and moon would have pulled themselves back together unless the moon was moving faster away than earth's gravity could pull it back. That lead to the next statement I made that if it was moving that fast then why all the sudden did it slow down? It most likely would have come from yet another collision with another "object" to stop it just in time to still be held by earth's gravity but it also stopped just far enough away that it wouldn't be pulled back to earth killing us all. Seems like a lot of coincidence went into that all working out for us.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Ever stop to consider that perhaps conincidence is how God gets his work done? Maybe that is why he created such a huge universe - in order to provide sufficient probability of getting the desired results.
Sure I have thought of it. God's word says that there is a time and place for everything and it actually list "chance" as one of those things that just happens. I however don't believe that it was by chance that everything came into existence because we are told that God created everything in six days and then rested on the seventh. -Richard
Richard Parsons wrote:
It is a logical assumption that if the earth split than both it and the moon would contain at least some kind of life that would have continued until now.
The theory as I understand it, is that there was another planet, or body, that collided with the Earth some 4.5 or 5 billion years ago. The earth didn't just split. This happened prior to any known life. Even if it didn't, it was such a cataclysmic collision that any life would have ceased to exist. The fact that life formed on earth after this point is irrelevent to the fact that there is no life on the moon. BW
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Whats your take on religion. Do you "believe" or not. "When a man ceases to believe in god, he does not believe in nothing. He believes in everything." ..........G.K. Chesterson "When in comes to bullshit...bigtime, major league bullshit...you have to stand in awe of the all-time champion of false promises and exaggerated claims...religion." ..........George Carlin "The way to see by faith is to shut the eye of reason." ..........Ben Franklin
I believe, yes, but religion got nothing to do with it.
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No, God didn't tell you that. A bunch of humans have written that. You believe though that God wrote it. Also, the bible is poorly written for the most part, so I wouldn't insult the almighty by accusing him of writing it. What amazes me, is that you and many others, put far more faith into the men that came before, than in God himself.
What is amazing is that you can't see how the Bible was inspired by God and written by men. Over 40 men wrote the Bible in a period of about 1600 years and yet all the books (66 to be exact) still harmonize. It’s not insulting to give credit to God for doing something he gave us, it is insulting to kill innocent people and claim God told you to do it. I’m not saying you have done this but some “religions” promote this. Why are people so incline to violence instead of love? God doesn’t want violence and neither should we. Christians promote Peace, Love, and Repentance and yet we are still insulted (see the above post) and called names by others who differ in opinion. Why? Are y’all so afraid of the truth that you must try to kill it and us? Get real and ask for God to truly teach you and take this hatred out of your hearts. Then maybe you can have a rational conversation about God and begin to understand his true nature. -Richard
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What is amazing is that you can't see how the Bible was inspired by God and written by men. Over 40 men wrote the Bible in a period of about 1600 years and yet all the books (66 to be exact) still harmonize. It’s not insulting to give credit to God for doing something he gave us, it is insulting to kill innocent people and claim God told you to do it. I’m not saying you have done this but some “religions” promote this. Why are people so incline to violence instead of love? God doesn’t want violence and neither should we. Christians promote Peace, Love, and Repentance and yet we are still insulted (see the above post) and called names by others who differ in opinion. Why? Are y’all so afraid of the truth that you must try to kill it and us? Get real and ask for God to truly teach you and take this hatred out of your hearts. Then maybe you can have a rational conversation about God and begin to understand his true nature. -Richard
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Oh, I see. I thought Druze were a offshoot of Islam, influnced by other religions as well. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Based upon what principle?
Based on the "theory" that life evolves. It is a logical assumption that if the earth split than both it and the moon would contain at least some kind of life that would have continued until now.
Stan Shannon wrote:
The moon is being shot away from the earth. Its just doing it rather slowly.
Yes but if it had always moved that slow then when it split to begin with the earth and moon would have pulled themselves back together unless the moon was moving faster away than earth's gravity could pull it back. That lead to the next statement I made that if it was moving that fast then why all the sudden did it slow down? It most likely would have come from yet another collision with another "object" to stop it just in time to still be held by earth's gravity but it also stopped just far enough away that it wouldn't be pulled back to earth killing us all. Seems like a lot of coincidence went into that all working out for us.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Ever stop to consider that perhaps conincidence is how God gets his work done? Maybe that is why he created such a huge universe - in order to provide sufficient probability of getting the desired results.
Sure I have thought of it. God's word says that there is a time and place for everything and it actually list "chance" as one of those things that just happens. I however don't believe that it was by chance that everything came into existence because we are told that God created everything in six days and then rested on the seventh. -Richard
One of God's "days" is not one of ours, as you well know. The 1000 man-years per God-Day that is mentioned in scripture, is meant to say "one hell-of-a-long period", too long for you (moses) to understand. So we don't really know how long each "Day" was. While I don't entirely agree with evolution and I do believe God created the earth in six creative periods (however long), the 6000 years thing is just plain stupid. ---sig---
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One of God's "days" is not one of ours, as you well know. The 1000 man-years per God-Day that is mentioned in scripture, is meant to say "one hell-of-a-long period", too long for you (moses) to understand. So we don't really know how long each "Day" was. While I don't entirely agree with evolution and I do believe God created the earth in six creative periods (however long), the 6000 years thing is just plain stupid. ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell!Actually we do, because the Hebrew word for day in Genesis was never used to mean anything but a single day. Plus you have the fact that it was written that the evening and the morning were the first day. If it were 1000 years a whole lot of evenings and mornings would have occurred. One last point. God set up the old law in a way that imitated his creation, by that I mean 6 days then the 7th for rest. If it would have been 1000 years per day in the creation then the Hebrews would have had to work for 6000 years without a single break before they got their day off from work. -Richard
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Actually we do, because the Hebrew word for day in Genesis was never used to mean anything but a single day. Plus you have the fact that it was written that the evening and the morning were the first day. If it were 1000 years a whole lot of evenings and mornings would have occurred. One last point. God set up the old law in a way that imitated his creation, by that I mean 6 days then the 7th for rest. If it would have been 1000 years per day in the creation then the Hebrews would have had to work for 6000 years without a single break before they got their day off from work. -Richard
you lack understanding. given what you have just said, then the earth would only be 6 1/2 days old ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell! -
you lack understanding. given what you have just said, then the earth would only be 6 1/2 days old ---sig---
Silence is the voice of complicity Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- Vincent Reynolds Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay PS. If you don't understand my sarcasm -- go to hell!Or perhaps you are misinterpreting the scriptures to justify your beliefs. 2 Peter 3:8 (KJV) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. This verse wasn’t put here to make us understand that to God 1000 of our years is a single day. If you were to interpret it that way and leave off the end of the verse (which you did) then I could just as easily and wrongly use the same verse and leave off the beginning and say that God could do in a single day what it would take us 1000 years to accomplish. Neither is entirely wrong but both miss the point of the verse at hand. Look at the scripture in context and you will see that it was given as an example (not a literal equation: 1000 years = 1 day) and it was meant to give comfort to the people Peter was writing to, they were to not give up hope because the Lord would keep his promises in his own time. -Richard