Immigration is history repeating itself
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Diego Moita wrote:
The stupid arguments against immigration always sounded as recycled KKK talk to me.
Diego, Every American CPian here who's made arguments always made them about "illegal" immigration. It's the "illegal" part of it that's wrong and should not be accepted. I don't see why a lot of people ignore the "illegal" part of it and then attack them and talk about how America was a nation founded on immigration, and how they are racists for not accepting immigrants etc. Nobody's against immigration, as long as it's legal. I think, of all the time I've been in the soapbox, I've never seen a word that's been as extensively ignored as "illegal". Must be those 2 consecutive 'l's in there - makes it easy to miss the word I guess. :rolleyes: Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nish, you got my 5 two times over! Jeremy Falcon
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The fact that no documentation was required pre-1918 is completely irrelevent to the arguments today. It's interesting historically, but that's all. Laws change. What's pissing many US citizens off is that we have laws defining how people may enter the US. They are being ignored. What's more, some of those ignoring our laws are crying about not getting fair treatment or equal opportunity. Well, they aren't supposed to be here in the first place, and should go home and wait like other respectable people have. Our immigration process isn't the smoothest and definitely needs work, but that doesn't give anyone the right to just sneak in. BW
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the precipitate.
-- Steven WrightDitto. Jeremy Falcon
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I am more than a little resentful of people who feel that they can just side-step due process and pitch up wherever they feel like. The LEGAL immigration process to enter the US is long and hard and rightly so. It takes patience and determination to make it through but the rewards are high and worth waiting for. On the other hand ILLEGAL immigration is as if you get home to find a stranger sitting in your kitchen, drinking your beer, eating your food and demanding a room to live for himself and his family. And there's little or nothing you can do to get him out. No matter which you cut this it is the difference between entering the US LEGALLY or ILLEGALLY. The former should be welcomed, the latter turned away or sent home and told to join the back of the queue. Until this happens the resentments will not go away as the local population feels imposed upon and more than a little disconnected from politicians that are scared to make decisions in case they upset someone who shouldn't be there in the first place. home
bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doordigital man wrote:
I am more than a little resentful of people who feel that they can just side-step due process and pitch up wherever they feel like.
Amen to that. Jeremy Falcon
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
I don't see why a lot of people ignore the "illegal" part of it and then attack them and talk about how America was a nation founded on immigration, and how they are racists for not accepting immigrants etc. Nobody's against immigration, as long as it's legal.
Considering that America was illegally invaded and taken over by Western Europeans, I guess most non-First Nation inhabitants of the US are there illegally... ;) Steve
viaduct wrote:
Considering that America was illegally invaded and taken over by Western Europeans, I guess most non-First Nation inhabitants of the US are there illegally...
Except the illegals nowdays can't do much for the encomony/govt. their in. They don't pay taxes. At least when we settled here, we established something that all people work for, and not have a few freeloaders. Jeremy Falcon
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
"pseudo intellects", as opposed to real intellectuals like yourself? I can see no evidence of your intellect in the arguments you presented in your reply.
If that's the best you can say, you're obviously not worth continuing with. Jeremy Falcon
If I wanted to be deliberately disagreeable I could quite easily enumerate the points in your post and come up with a counter to each. Like most people, my refutations would convince some but not others. I can also flog a dead horse with the best of them when I'm in the mood; and this immigration issue has certainly done the rounds of the soapbox for a while now. My point remains. Steve
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Diego Moita wrote:
Start counting until 10 million, one by one. I bet you'll discover what I mean before you reach 1 million.
That's exactly what those illegals are trying to capitalize on. By collectively doing a crime, they believe they've made it difficult to be punished for it. So it's up to the rest of the legal folks to show them that, that is not how it's going to be. There are 1000s of perfectly legal Green Card applicants who are patiently waiting for their applications to be approved. Most of these folks are on H1Bs (again legal) and have been in the US for 5+ years. It would be an absolute insult to the intelligences of those folks who are doing everything the right way, if the US govt. decided to allow the illegals to stay in. Regards, Nish
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The Ultimate Grid - The #1 MFC grid out there!Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
It would be an absolute insult to the intelligences of those folks who are doing everything the right way, if the US govt. decided to allow the illegals to stay in.
I couldn't have said it better. Jeremy Falcon
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Rob Manderson wrote:
I speak as one who received a 'boom, instant pass' which took 7 months and that was extremely fast by normal standards.
It was relatively easy. You think doing paperwork and waiting 7 months is tough? You've aparently had an easy life then. Jeremy Falcon
'searches the quote looking for where I apparently complained about the length of time'. Nope, can't find it. May I borrow your super spectacles so I can see it? Rob Manderson I'm working on a version for Visual Lisp++ My blog http://blogs.wdevs.com/ultramaroon/[^]
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Just giving you a heads up, I gave this a one. Not much to say, outside of I don't really agree with it at all. But, I'm letting you know. Jeremy Falcon
I gave it a 5 not because I agree or disagree but because he bothered to look at the historical context. The tigress is here :-D
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I gave it a 5 not because I agree or disagree but because he bothered to look at the historical context. The tigress is here :-D
Trollslayer wrote:
I gave it a 5 not because I agree or disagree but because he bothered to look at the historical context.
Well if I would've known that I probably would've spare the voted. But, anyway, I think history is great, but most people don't actually view it with a keen eye and rather justify their predetermined actions with it - which is what I believe this guy to have done. Just my two cents. Jeremy Falcon
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If I wanted to be deliberately disagreeable I could quite easily enumerate the points in your post and come up with a counter to each. Like most people, my refutations would convince some but not others. I can also flog a dead horse with the best of them when I'm in the mood; and this immigration issue has certainly done the rounds of the soapbox for a while now. My point remains. Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
My point remains.
Your assertion remains you mean. The only point you made was this is an old subject, and you managed to insult me without providing much of anything of use along with it. Thus, what I said still stands. Jeremy Falcon