Drives me nuts
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
Giles wrote:
Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes.
BS. She is not even able to protect herself during a sex act, do you really believe she realizes what is the responsability of being a parent? She is 11 year old, she's an unconscious kid.
Giles wrote:
smokes 20 a day
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
Giles wrote:
I think the parents should be fined.
I think they should be educated instead. State's coercion is not the solution to everything.
Giles wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
We have a whiner here.
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
Besmirching the good name of my home city as well. The mother of the pregnant girl might be proud - I'm totally ashamed.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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Giles wrote:
Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes.
BS. She is not even able to protect herself during a sex act, do you really believe she realizes what is the responsability of being a parent? She is 11 year old, she's an unconscious kid.
Giles wrote:
smokes 20 a day
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
Giles wrote:
I think the parents should be fined.
I think they should be educated instead. State's coercion is not the solution to everything.
Giles wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
We have a whiner here.
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Hardly something for the mother to be proud of though Karl. The mother knows full well that the state will provide - IMHO, parents should be footing the blame (and the bill) for behaviour like this. And the 15 year old boy should be prosecuted - the age of consent in the UK is 16 FFS.
K(arl) wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
Next year, taxation in the UK will reach record levels - and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you. People in the UK have a right to be upset when so much money is being wasted and who work hard and try to better themselves are seen as nothing more than a cash cow. The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling. On a lighter note, I watched Question Time last night and had a good laugh at Hazel Blears (a newly promoted Blair-ite) receiving a damn good verbal whupping from the audience - many of whom were disaffected Labour voters. The wheels are coming the government at the moment, and I have to confess that I find some amusement in seeing New Labour squirm. Politics is getting interesting again here! :)
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Hardly something for the mother to be proud of though Karl. The mother knows full well that the state will provide - IMHO, parents should be footing the blame (and the bill) for behaviour like this. And the 15 year old boy should be prosecuted - the age of consent in the UK is 16 FFS.
K(arl) wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
Next year, taxation in the UK will reach record levels - and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you. People in the UK have a right to be upset when so much money is being wasted and who work hard and try to better themselves are seen as nothing more than a cash cow. The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling. On a lighter note, I watched Question Time last night and had a good laugh at Hazel Blears (a newly promoted Blair-ite) receiving a damn good verbal whupping from the audience - many of whom were disaffected Labour voters. The wheels are coming the government at the moment, and I have to confess that I find some amusement in seeing New Labour squirm. Politics is getting interesting again here! :)
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
And it is far, far too late to do anything about it. A dependent people can do nothing but vote for those who supply the dependency. They will never, under any circumstances, vote to free themselves from their own dependencies. So, get used to it, cause it ain't gonna change. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Giles wrote:
Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes.
BS. She is not even able to protect herself during a sex act, do you really believe she realizes what is the responsability of being a parent? She is 11 year old, she's an unconscious kid.
Giles wrote:
smokes 20 a day
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
Giles wrote:
I think the parents should be fined.
I think they should be educated instead. State's coercion is not the solution to everything.
Giles wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
We have a whiner here.
Pull the tapeworm out of your ass Fold with us! ¤ flickr
K(arl) wrote:
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
We do have a law that you need to be 16 years to buy cigarettes, in fact the stores should ask everybody to show their identity when they want to buy cigarettes. But do you think that helps when your mom is proud that you're pregnant when you're 11 years? She'll buy the cigarettes and nobody knows, nobody cares...
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K(arl) wrote:
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
We do have a law that you need to be 16 years to buy cigarettes, in fact the stores should ask everybody to show their identity when they want to buy cigarettes. But do you think that helps when your mom is proud that you're pregnant when you're 11 years? She'll buy the cigarettes and nobody knows, nobody cares...
KrIstOfK wrote:
We do have a law that you need to be 16 years to buy cigarettes
Correction: The law says it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16. It is perfectly legal for anyone to buy cigarettes.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
And it is far, far too late to do anything about it. A dependent people can do nothing but vote for those who supply the dependency. They will never, under any circumstances, vote to free themselves from their own dependencies. So, get used to it, cause it ain't gonna change. "You get that which you tolerate"
Nope, it can be reformed, Thatcher transformed our economy and broke the stranglehold the unions had over the country. She really was quite radical. Unfortunately, we don't have any politicians of her calibre in the wings. The main danger in attempting to pull the underclass from the state teat is their tendancy to vote for the BNP when angry. The BNP, as I'm sure you can guess are a racist populist-socialist party, not "right wing". Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
And it is far, far too late to do anything about it. A dependent people can do nothing but vote for those who supply the dependency. They will never, under any circumstances, vote to free themselves from their own dependencies. So, get used to it, cause it ain't gonna change. "You get that which you tolerate"
Well put and spot-on: unlike the Thatcher years when government was fairly thin on the ground and she only had the unions to defeat this time Labour have gone one better by simply employing the unemployable dross in well paid public service roles and awarding them fabulous pensions which us proles can only dream about. Nobody is going to vote for a party which essentially promises to fire them which is why the Tories can only fantasize about running the country whilst Blair and the utter corruption that is Labour can do and say whatever they want. Can't wait for those LEGAL immigration papers to arrive so I can get out of here... home
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Hardly something for the mother to be proud of though Karl. The mother knows full well that the state will provide - IMHO, parents should be footing the blame (and the bill) for behaviour like this. And the 15 year old boy should be prosecuted - the age of consent in the UK is 16 FFS.
K(arl) wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
Next year, taxation in the UK will reach record levels - and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you. People in the UK have a right to be upset when so much money is being wasted and who work hard and try to better themselves are seen as nothing more than a cash cow. The enormous and expensive welfare state breeds dependence, which is a real problem here at the moment and is causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling. On a lighter note, I watched Question Time last night and had a good laugh at Hazel Blears (a newly promoted Blair-ite) receiving a damn good verbal whupping from the audience - many of whom were disaffected Labour voters. The wheels are coming the government at the moment, and I have to confess that I find some amusement in seeing New Labour squirm. Politics is getting interesting again here! :)
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you.
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness. You know, a lot of people on this planet would be delighted to be able to pay tax. And what would the cost of helping this baby to survive the poor environment he will have to know, compared to the cost of the presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
s causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Turn off your TV, Can you say "brainwashing"?
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you.
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness. You know, a lot of people on this planet would be delighted to be able to pay tax. And what would the cost of helping this baby to survive the poor environment he will have to know, compared to the cost of the presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
s causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Turn off your TV, Can you say "brainwashing"?
K(arl) wrote:
"Hey, I pay too much tax"
The reaction is "The fact our tax money is distributed in such a fashion encourages a cycle of such behaviour", not "I want a playstation". It is the environment encouraged by naive redistributive taxation that is the problem, not the hole in my wallet. Personally, I would rather invest in my nations armed forces than support the lumpenproletariat - who in any other era would live similarly live by charity and crime. The royal family is another issue. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you.
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness. You know, a lot of people on this planet would be delighted to be able to pay tax. And what would the cost of helping this baby to survive the poor environment he will have to know, compared to the cost of the presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
s causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Turn off your TV, Can you say "brainwashing"?
The cost of officially recognised benefit fraud is £50 per person[^] or £3 billion. I consider having kids for the specific purpose of gaining additional benefits to be a fraud, although the official figures don't recognise this. The full cost of the benefits system is £109billion or £1816 per person.
K(arl) wrote:
And what would the cost of helping this baby to survive the poor environment he will have to know, compared to the cost of the presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
The Royal Family cost 61p per person[^] or £37 million per year. The illegal war in Iraq has cost the UK £6 billion over two years[^] or £50 per person per year - The same as OFFICIAL benefit fraud.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
and, to be frank, accusing people of whining when we are paying excessive taxes and getting little or nothing in return is beneath you.
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness. You know, a lot of people on this planet would be delighted to be able to pay tax. And what would the cost of helping this baby to survive the poor environment he will have to know, compared to the cost of the presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
s causing a lot of resentment and bad feeling.
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Turn off your TV, Can you say "brainwashing"?
K(arl) wrote:
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness.
Selfish? ha ha ha. I'll tell you what's selfish - bringing a child into the world who has fuck all chance in life. It really is shocking - teenage pregnancies are the highest in Europe and I put that down to two things - education (or lack of) and the knowledge that the state will provide. The education problem is basically caused by a Victorian prudish attitude to sex (the Conservatives have a lot to blame for this - they would prefer it if sex wasn't mentioned in schools at all, which I disagree with). Some might also blame the media and the fact that sex is everywhere (you can buy thongs for little girls in many supermarkets and clothes shops - WTF! What happened to children being children?).
K(arl) wrote:
presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
If there was no Royal Family (boy, would that make me happy) or troops in Iraq, taxpayers having to foot this sort of behaviour would still have every right to feel aggrieved. The welfare state costs the taxpayer £100 billion a year - or over £1,500 for every man, woman and child in the country - probably more like £3,500 per tax-payer. The war in Iraq costs £1 billion a year (£16 a head) and the Royal Family coses ~£35 million a year (58p a head). Drops in the ocean mate.
K(arl) wrote:
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Well, I came from nothing Karl, and have worked hard for the last 20 years to make something of my life, and yes, it pisses me off when I read about people who think that I and others like me owe them a living. A mother that is proud of her pregnant 11 year old daughter is just another example of why this needs to change. Stan is actually right (!) - this government wants to keep (even expand) the welfare state simply to buy votes, ensuring it stays in power. It sucks. I don't disagree with the welfare state in principle at all - there does need to be a safety net - but it has done too far. Man, I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid, have two cars in the drive, Sky TV, smoke 20 fags a day and are propping up the bar in the pub all weekend! It isn't on.
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
It is obscene for a parent to permit their 11 year old daughter to behave in that whollu inappropriate way. Don't parents understand the need to ensure that their off-spring are brought up in a correct and proper way in a SAFE environment. Smoking as well, probably the parent doesn't send the girl to school either. What a waste of a young life, and you can't always blame political parties for the parent's failings. And oh-boy, what a failing. And what of the 15 year old father, perhaps he should be given one of those "always crying always needing attention- mechanical babies" and told to "satisfy" that mechanical babies needs for a whole sixth months (perhaps longer) with that mechanical baby programmed so that it specializes in waking several times during the night and damned awkward to pacify. Maybe that 15 year old will learn to keep his zip firmly closed !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
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K(arl) wrote:
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness.
Selfish? ha ha ha. I'll tell you what's selfish - bringing a child into the world who has fuck all chance in life. It really is shocking - teenage pregnancies are the highest in Europe and I put that down to two things - education (or lack of) and the knowledge that the state will provide. The education problem is basically caused by a Victorian prudish attitude to sex (the Conservatives have a lot to blame for this - they would prefer it if sex wasn't mentioned in schools at all, which I disagree with). Some might also blame the media and the fact that sex is everywhere (you can buy thongs for little girls in many supermarkets and clothes shops - WTF! What happened to children being children?).
K(arl) wrote:
presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
If there was no Royal Family (boy, would that make me happy) or troops in Iraq, taxpayers having to foot this sort of behaviour would still have every right to feel aggrieved. The welfare state costs the taxpayer £100 billion a year - or over £1,500 for every man, woman and child in the country - probably more like £3,500 per tax-payer. The war in Iraq costs £1 billion a year (£16 a head) and the Royal Family coses ~£35 million a year (58p a head). Drops in the ocean mate.
K(arl) wrote:
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Well, I came from nothing Karl, and have worked hard for the last 20 years to make something of my life, and yes, it pisses me off when I read about people who think that I and others like me owe them a living. A mother that is proud of her pregnant 11 year old daughter is just another example of why this needs to change. Stan is actually right (!) - this government wants to keep (even expand) the welfare state simply to buy votes, ensuring it stays in power. It sucks. I don't disagree with the welfare state in principle at all - there does need to be a safety net - but it has done too far. Man, I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid, have two cars in the drive, Sky TV, smoke 20 fags a day and are propping up the bar in the pub all weekend! It isn't on.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid
I was out of work for 3 soul destroying months and I never got my mortgage paid! Some people know how to fiddle the system I guess.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
Thats just some crazy stuff... I can't believe kids are even thinking of having sex that young. When I was 11 I was still thinking something along the lines of "Go ninja turtles" (insert favorit cartoon here). I just don't get it... -Richard
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K(arl) wrote:
"Hey, I pay too much tax"
The reaction is "The fact our tax money is distributed in such a fashion encourages a cycle of such behaviour", not "I want a playstation". It is the environment encouraged by naive redistributive taxation that is the problem, not the hole in my wallet. Personally, I would rather invest in my nations armed forces than support the lumpenproletariat - who in any other era would live similarly live by charity and crime. The royal family is another issue. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
The reaction is "The fact our tax money is distributed in such a fashion encourages a cycle of such behaviour", not "I want a playstation"
BS. The basic reaction is "it's MY money, I need it to buy this new HDTV". And for the argument "social welfare = encouragement to laziness", it lays on nothing other than clichés and preconceived ideas.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
I would rather invest in my nations armed forces than support the lumpenproletariat
Don't worry, you do. Oh, let's kill these lumpenproletaires, or better, let's throw them in the sea, they are so ugly anyway.
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
The reaction is "The fact our tax money is distributed in such a fashion encourages a cycle of such behaviour", not "I want a playstation"
BS. The basic reaction is "it's MY money, I need it to buy this new HDTV". And for the argument "social welfare = encouragement to laziness", it lays on nothing other than clichés and preconceived ideas.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
I would rather invest in my nations armed forces than support the lumpenproletariat
Don't worry, you do. Oh, let's kill these lumpenproletaires, or better, let's throw them in the sea, they are so ugly anyway.
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K(arl) wrote:
lays on nothing other than clichés and preconceived ideas
No, it isn't. This[^], rather long piece presents both sides of the argument. The problem being: "This underclass are those who fall outside this class schema, becuase they belong to family units having no stable relationship at all with the "mode of production" - with legitimate gainful employment" As well as the clamping down on state subsidy of such lifestyles, I would decriminalise narcotics - which are the largest source of income outside of legitimate sources and the fact that it is a black market further damages those who depend on it.
K(arl) wrote:
Oh, let's kill these lumpenproletaires, or better, let's throw them in the sea, they are so ugly anyway.
Nope, let's figure out a way for them to no longer be lumpen, bankrolling them is not the answer. Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid
I was out of work for 3 soul destroying months and I never got my mortgage paid! Some people know how to fiddle the system I guess.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
In this case, they are a couple, both out of work, and they have two kids. They both do occasional "cash in hand" work, but they are actually better off being uneomployed - if they were to get one of the many low-paying jobs available, they would be out of pocket. How crap is that!