Drives me nuts
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K(arl) wrote:
When readng such a story the only reaction is "Hey, I pay too much tax", I take that as an incredible display of selfishness.
Selfish? ha ha ha. I'll tell you what's selfish - bringing a child into the world who has fuck all chance in life. It really is shocking - teenage pregnancies are the highest in Europe and I put that down to two things - education (or lack of) and the knowledge that the state will provide. The education problem is basically caused by a Victorian prudish attitude to sex (the Conservatives have a lot to blame for this - they would prefer it if sex wasn't mentioned in schools at all, which I disagree with). Some might also blame the media and the fact that sex is everywhere (you can buy thongs for little girls in many supermarkets and clothes shops - WTF! What happened to children being children?).
K(arl) wrote:
presence of the British presence in Iraq, or the cost induced by your Royal Family?
If there was no Royal Family (boy, would that make me happy) or troops in Iraq, taxpayers having to foot this sort of behaviour would still have every right to feel aggrieved. The welfare state costs the taxpayer £100 billion a year - or over £1,500 for every man, woman and child in the country - probably more like £3,500 per tax-payer. The war in Iraq costs £1 billion a year (£16 a head) and the Royal Family coses ~£35 million a year (58p a head). Drops in the ocean mate.
K(arl) wrote:
...amongst the wealthiest ones.
Well, I came from nothing Karl, and have worked hard for the last 20 years to make something of my life, and yes, it pisses me off when I read about people who think that I and others like me owe them a living. A mother that is proud of her pregnant 11 year old daughter is just another example of why this needs to change. Stan is actually right (!) - this government wants to keep (even expand) the welfare state simply to buy votes, ensuring it stays in power. It sucks. I don't disagree with the welfare state in principle at all - there does need to be a safety net - but it has done too far. Man, I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid, have two cars in the drive, Sky TV, smoke 20 fags a day and are propping up the bar in the pub all weekend! It isn't on.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
bringing a child into the world who has f*** all chance in life.
We are talking about an 11 year old girl here. How do you expect her to be responsible???
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
education (or lack of) and the knowledge that the state will provide
Totally agree on the first one, mostly disagree on the second one.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Some might also blame the media and the fact that sex is everywhere
I'm not sure at all for this one. In the past, when most people lived in the countryside, sex was everywhere: animals don't stop to have sex these nasty bastards!
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
A mother that is proud of her pregnant 11 year old daughter is just another example of why this needs to change
An example of bad behaviour doesn't mean everything is rotten in the Kingdom.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Man, I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid, have two cars in the drive, Sky TV, smoke 20 fags a day and are propping up the bar in the pub all weekend! It isn't on.
Most people on welfare I know live in shitty flats, have no car, are not going anywhere on satursday evening.
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
bringing a child into the world who has f*** all chance in life.
We are talking about an 11 year old girl here. How do you expect her to be responsible???
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
education (or lack of) and the knowledge that the state will provide
Totally agree on the first one, mostly disagree on the second one.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Some might also blame the media and the fact that sex is everywhere
I'm not sure at all for this one. In the past, when most people lived in the countryside, sex was everywhere: animals don't stop to have sex these nasty bastards!
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
A mother that is proud of her pregnant 11 year old daughter is just another example of why this needs to change
An example of bad behaviour doesn't mean everything is rotten in the Kingdom.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Man, I know people who are out of work, get their mortgage paid, have two cars in the drive, Sky TV, smoke 20 fags a day and are propping up the bar in the pub all weekend! It isn't on.
Most people on welfare I know live in shitty flats, have no car, are not going anywhere on satursday evening.
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K(arl) wrote:
How do you expect her to be responsible???
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking. If she didn't know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, then I'll pack up and move to France. :)
K(arl) wrote:
I'm not sure at all for this one.
I'm on the fence here - but I think the whole "sex sells" ethos must be having an affect on young minds. I see a *lot* of childrens TV nowadays, and am outraged when I see younf girls dressed up as tarts in order to hawk another product - little girls advertising Barbie dolls dressed in short skirts, boob tubes and wearing fucking lip-gloss. This must be taking its toll don't you think?
K(arl) wrote:
An example of bad behaviour doesn't mean everything is rotten in the Kingdom.
But it's another jerk down the slippery slope.
K(arl) wrote:
Most people on welfare I know live in sh**ty flats, have no car, are not going anywhere on satursday evening.
Then perhaps France has the balance right, which is all I want to see here mate. The abuse of the welfare system in the UK costs is widespread and is costing the taxpayer billions - more than any foreign war.
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K(arl) wrote:
How do you expect her to be responsible???
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking. If she didn't know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, then I'll pack up and move to France. :)
K(arl) wrote:
I'm not sure at all for this one.
I'm on the fence here - but I think the whole "sex sells" ethos must be having an affect on young minds. I see a *lot* of childrens TV nowadays, and am outraged when I see younf girls dressed up as tarts in order to hawk another product - little girls advertising Barbie dolls dressed in short skirts, boob tubes and wearing fucking lip-gloss. This must be taking its toll don't you think?
K(arl) wrote:
An example of bad behaviour doesn't mean everything is rotten in the Kingdom.
But it's another jerk down the slippery slope.
K(arl) wrote:
Most people on welfare I know live in sh**ty flats, have no car, are not going anywhere on satursday evening.
Then perhaps France has the balance right, which is all I want to see here mate. The abuse of the welfare system in the UK costs is widespread and is costing the taxpayer billions - more than any foreign war.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking.
I'd say the mother is the obvious candidate for taking the blame (and presumably the father, wherever he may be). John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking.
I'd say the mother is the obvious candidate for taking the blame (and presumably the father, wherever he may be). John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/4764417.stm[^] It says the girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day. If she's still smoking while pregnant, then she's a fucking selfish bitch.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
It says the girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day. If she's still smoking while pregnant, then she's a f****ing selfish bitch.
Too young and too badly brought up to have any sense or any sense of responsibility is how I would put it. It is ridiculous to be dumping all this responsibility on a child who clearly has been failed completely by her parents. There was simply no prospect of me stepping far out of line when I was 11; parental supervision and discipline made it a near impossibility. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
It says the girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day. If she's still smoking while pregnant, then she's a f****ing selfish bitch.
Too young and too badly brought up to have any sense or any sense of responsibility is how I would put it. It is ridiculous to be dumping all this responsibility on a child who clearly has been failed completely by her parents. There was simply no prospect of me stepping far out of line when I was 11; parental supervision and discipline made it a near impossibility. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
In the UK there are very prominent warnings on the front of a packet of cigarettes - one of the most common says "SMOKING WHEN PREGNANT HARMS YOUR BABY". If she's still smoking (according to the various reports she is) then she should be ashamed of herself. As for her mother, well, words fail me.
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In the UK there are very prominent warnings on the front of a packet of cigarettes - one of the most common says "SMOKING WHEN PREGNANT HARMS YOUR BABY". If she's still smoking (according to the various reports she is) then she should be ashamed of herself. As for her mother, well, words fail me.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
In the UK there are very prominent warnings on the front of a packet of cigarettes - one of the most common says "SMOKING WHEN PREGNANT HARMS YOUR BABY". If she's still smoking (according to the various reports she is) then she should be ashamed of herself.
Of course the daughter is behaving wrongly and any reasonably well-brought up 11 year old should be able to understand that fact. But clearly we are not talking about a reasonably well brought up 11 (or 12) year old. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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IMHO the mother should be prosecuted for neglect - but no, she'd "proud" her young daughter is having a baby. What a mess.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
IMHO the mother should be prosecuted for neglect - but no, she'd "proud" her young daughter is having a baby. What a mess.
I agree. When parents lack all sense of responsibility, then the law needs to impose some responsibility. John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
May be she's would start training her baby to break her own record. This is so stupid. we should only shoot the parents for not educating the children.
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Giles wrote:
Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes.
BS. She is not even able to protect herself during a sex act, do you really believe she realizes what is the responsability of being a parent? She is 11 year old, she's an unconscious kid.
Giles wrote:
smokes 20 a day
Is there no law forbidding minors to buy cigarettes?
Giles wrote:
I think the parents should be fined.
I think they should be educated instead. State's coercion is not the solution to everything.
Giles wrote:
the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes.
We have a whiner here.
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K(arl) wrote:
BS. She is not even able to protect herself during a sex act,
Fer fucks sake Karl, the skank would not only have known what she could get as an unmarried single mother, she knew how to get it. This meant at 11, she knew all about having sex without a condom to get pregnant. If you think otherwise your naive. Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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K(arl) wrote:
How do you expect her to be responsible???
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking. If she didn't know that unprotected sex can lead to pregnancy, then I'll pack up and move to France. :)
K(arl) wrote:
I'm not sure at all for this one.
I'm on the fence here - but I think the whole "sex sells" ethos must be having an affect on young minds. I see a *lot* of childrens TV nowadays, and am outraged when I see younf girls dressed up as tarts in order to hawk another product - little girls advertising Barbie dolls dressed in short skirts, boob tubes and wearing fucking lip-gloss. This must be taking its toll don't you think?
K(arl) wrote:
An example of bad behaviour doesn't mean everything is rotten in the Kingdom.
But it's another jerk down the slippery slope.
K(arl) wrote:
Most people on welfare I know live in sh**ty flats, have no car, are not going anywhere on satursday evening.
Then perhaps France has the balance right, which is all I want to see here mate. The abuse of the welfare system in the UK costs is widespread and is costing the taxpayer billions - more than any foreign war.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Someone has to take the blame
I would say the mother. Minors are not responsible.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
I'll pack up and move to France.
Thanks to Sarkozy, our Minister of Insterior and wanabee-president, I'm not sure that it would be possible anymore :sigh: - Oh yeah, I forgot: UK is part of the EU. Funny, I've got problems to remember that one :rolleyes:
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
I think the whole "sex sells" ethos must be having an affect on young minds
Sex is natural, and a healthy activity. I would rather fear the exposure to violence.
Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Then perhaps France has the balance right,
Not at all, I can ensure you. IMO, the main problem here is the lack of realism. Too many people believe we can still have the life our parents knew. Even if they believe the opposite, people are way too conservative.
Turn off your TV, Can you say "brainwashing"?
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Robert Edward Caldecott wrote:
Someone has to take the blame - this is a girl who goes out clubbing, drinking and smoking.
I'd say the mother is the obvious candidate for taking the blame (and presumably the father, wherever he may be). John Carson "To argue with a man who has renounced the use and authority of reason is like administering medicine to the dead." Thomas Paine
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11 year old girl gets pregnant on night out with 15 year old boy, smokes 20 a day, and mother 34 is pround. About to become Britains youngest mother. <http://www.sky.com/skynews/article/0,,30000-13523408,00.html[^] Thanks New Labour for funding this. Becuase she knows she can do this becuase the state will take care of all her needs giving her a house, and money etc to keep her in smokes. I think the parents should be fined. Not fit to have children if they think this is okay. People complain about imigration. I have no problem with it. Its trash like this I can't stand, and the fact I'll be paying for it with record taxes. Fucked up.
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KrIstOfK wrote:
We do have a law that you need to be 16 years to buy cigarettes
Correction: The law says it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16. It is perfectly legal for anyone to buy cigarettes.
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Uh.. no? If you buy, someone's gotta be selling. From the law "it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16" it follows that "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to buy cigarettes". However, from the above statement, it is not possible to derive "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to smoke cigarettes". Is that what you meant? :~ -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/scotland/edinburgh_and_east/4764417.stm[^] It says the girl smokes 20 cigarettes a day. If she's still smoking while pregnant, then she's a fucking selfish bitch.
That's so screwed up. I'm sure the sex was consensual - otherwise she and her mother wouldn't be so fuckin* proud. If it was consensual, both should be prosecuted for gross negligence. * pun intended -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.
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Uh.. no? If you buy, someone's gotta be selling. From the law "it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16" it follows that "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to buy cigarettes". However, from the above statement, it is not possible to derive "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to smoke cigarettes". Is that what you meant? :~ -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
From the law "it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16" it follows that "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to buy cigarettes".
No, that is incorrect. Various agencies (like charities) often use children in sting operations to get the evidence in order to charge the shop keepers with supplying tobacco products to an under 16 year old. They couldn't do that if it was illegal for children to buy (or attempt to buy) cigarettes because then they'd get done for inciting someone to break the law.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, from the above statement, it is not possible to derive "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to smoke cigarettes". Is that what you meant?
That is correct. But, if they are smoking them, it naturally follows that someone supplied them. It is the supplier who gets procecuted.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
From the law "it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16" it follows that "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to buy cigarettes".
No, that is incorrect. Various agencies (like charities) often use children in sting operations to get the evidence in order to charge the shop keepers with supplying tobacco products to an under 16 year old. They couldn't do that if it was illegal for children to buy (or attempt to buy) cigarettes because then they'd get done for inciting someone to break the law.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, from the above statement, it is not possible to derive "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to smoke cigarettes". Is that what you meant?
That is correct. But, if they are smoking them, it naturally follows that someone supplied them. It is the supplier who gets procecuted.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
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Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
From the law "it is illegal to sell cigarettes to a person under the age of 16" it follows that "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to buy cigarettes".
No, that is incorrect. Various agencies (like charities) often use children in sting operations to get the evidence in order to charge the shop keepers with supplying tobacco products to an under 16 year old. They couldn't do that if it was illegal for children to buy (or attempt to buy) cigarettes because then they'd get done for inciting someone to break the law.
Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:
However, from the above statement, it is not possible to derive "it is illegal for a person under the age of 16 to smoke cigarettes". Is that what you meant?
That is correct. But, if they are smoking them, it naturally follows that someone supplied them. It is the supplier who gets procecuted.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
No, that is incorrect. Various agencies (like charities) often use children in sting operations to get the evidence in order to charge the shop keepers with supplying tobacco products to an under 16 year old. They couldn't do that if it was illegal for children to buy (or attempt to buy) cigarettes because then they'd get done for inciting someone to break the law.
Hmmm. Police in many cities have undercover cops selling dope on the street in sting operations. They sell the stuff and then the officers in marked vehicles and uniforms move in and arrest the buyer. Now I KNOW it is illegal to sell narcotics/grass/etc.. but the police do it all the time. Its not entrapment because the police are not encourgaging the buyers to purchase the product according to the courts. Richard Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
No, that is incorrect. Various agencies (like charities) often use children in sting operations to get the evidence in order to charge the shop keepers with supplying tobacco products to an under 16 year old. They couldn't do that if it was illegal for children to buy (or attempt to buy) cigarettes because then they'd get done for inciting someone to break the law.
Hmmm. Police in many cities have undercover cops selling dope on the street in sting operations. They sell the stuff and then the officers in marked vehicles and uniforms move in and arrest the buyer. Now I KNOW it is illegal to sell narcotics/grass/etc.. but the police do it all the time. Its not entrapment because the police are not encourgaging the buyers to purchase the product according to the courts. Richard Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
Police in many cities have undercover cops selling dope on the street in sting operations.
That isn't permitted here because then the police officers would have to break the law in their sting operation. "The law in its great majesty permits neither the rich nor the poor to sleep under the bridges" Also, the police don't tend to go after shop keepers selling tobacco to kids. They are too busy on the easy targets like motorists. So it is usually anti-smoking groups and consumer watchdog type TV programmes that get some kids to attempt to buy cigarettes.
"On two occasions, I have been asked [by members of Parliament], 'Pray, Mr. Babbage, if you put into the machine wrong figures, will the right answers come out?' I am not able to rightly apprehend the kind of confusion of ideas that could provoke such a question." --Charles Babbage (1791-1871) My: Website | Blog