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  • S Sarath C

    Hi All, American govt largely developing and storing nuclear weapons. On the other hand using their power military power, they're resist other countries like iraq on developing such weapons. Is this right or not? SaRath

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    Rob Graham
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    Absolutely. We need to graduate from the ridiculous notion that greed is some kind of elixir for capitalism - it's the downfall of capitalism. Self-interest, maybe, but self-interest run amok does not serve anyone. The core value of conscious capitalism is enlightened self-interest. Patricia Aburdene

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    • R Ryan Roberts

      Don't look for morality in international politics, you will only see your own prejudices. Mine are that undemocratic, belligerents theocracies should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons any more than I would like to see an assault rifle in the hands of a schizophrenic. The whole MAD philosophy breaks down without rational actors, which for all their bluster, both the west and the soviets were throughout the cold war. Ryan

      "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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      Red Stateler
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      Ryan Roberts wrote:

      The whole MAD philosophy breaks down without rational actors, which for all their bluster, both the west and the soviets were throughout the cold war.

      That's what I think is important too. The nuclear buildup dependend on rational people who were not intent on blowing themselves up just to take down a few others. Much of the Middle East has demonstrated the desire to do the opposite.

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      • S Sarath C

        Hi All, American govt largely developing and storing nuclear weapons. On the other hand using their power military power, they're resist other countries like iraq on developing such weapons. Is this right or not? SaRath

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        Lost User
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        What is good for the goose is also good for the gander. But if you happen to be a country called Iran, Libya and Iraq (and no doubt others will apply at some future time), then sorry, the above saying does not apply. Why ? Developing anything nuclear, even for peaceful purposes, will be met by strong opposition from various western governments. And even stronger opposition (read as Military Threats) from the United States of America.

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        • S Sarath C

          Hi All, American govt largely developing and storing nuclear weapons. On the other hand using their power military power, they're resist other countries like iraq on developing such weapons. Is this right or not? SaRath

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          J4amieC
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          America does not openly say that they want to "wipe their neighbour off the map". Iran on the other hand, does! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour

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            America does not openly say that they want to "wipe their neighbour off the map". Iran on the other hand, does! Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour

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            Red Stateler
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            Yeah, but that's only because we're not right next to France!

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              Yeah, but that's only because we're not right next to France!

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              Lost User
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              What is it with you and France ?

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                What is it with you and France ?

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                Red Stateler
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                Besides being trecherous, backstabbing, rude winos? I like to get on (K)arl's nerves. He was so anti-American, I decided to release the hounds on France. Now he hates me so much that he gives me the silent treatment. I think it's pretty funny. Frogs.

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                  Besides being trecherous, backstabbing, rude winos? I like to get on (K)arl's nerves. He was so anti-American, I decided to release the hounds on France. Now he hates me so much that he gives me the silent treatment. I think it's pretty funny. Frogs.

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                  Lost User
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                  I will try not to get on your nerves too many times, but I might annoy you from time to time. :-D

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                    I will try not to get on your nerves too many times, but I might annoy you from time to time. :-D

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                    Red Stateler
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                    I'm immune because I'm a red-blooded American...Not some cheese-eating, dress-wearing, miming Frenchy.

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                    • S Sarath C

                      Hi All, American govt largely developing and storing nuclear weapons. On the other hand using their power military power, they're resist other countries like iraq on developing such weapons. Is this right or not? SaRath

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                      Nish Nishant
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                      Is the US continuing to make nukes? I don't think so - I think they have enough already, and making more wouldn't serve any purpose, unless they want to sell some of it in future. Regards, Nish


                      Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                      Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                      • R Red Stateler

                        Yeah, but that's only because we're not right next to France!

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                        J4amieC
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                        Its only the northern french & parisians that are bad, go to the South and the people there are great. Current blacklist svmilky - Extremely rude | FeRtoll - Rude personal emails | ironstrike1 - Rude & Obnoxious behaviour

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                        • N Nish Nishant

                          Is the US continuing to make nukes? I don't think so - I think they have enough already, and making more wouldn't serve any purpose, unless they want to sell some of it in future. Regards, Nish


                          Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                          Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                          Red Stateler
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                          I think there was some discussion of making small tactical nukes to be used in the battlefield (launched out of rocket launchers and such), but they probably won't do that.

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                          • N Nish Nishant

                            Is the US continuing to make nukes? I don't think so - I think they have enough already, and making more wouldn't serve any purpose, unless they want to sell some of it in future. Regards, Nish


                            Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
                            Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications.

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                            pseudonym67
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                            Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                            Is the US continuing to make nukes? I don't think so

                            Then you'd be wrong. from a couple of years ago. http://www.slate.com/id/2099425/[^] Quote bit "Measured in "real dollars" (that is, adjusting for inflation), this year's spending on nuclear activities is equal to what Ronald Reagan spent at the height of the U.S.-Soviet standoff. It exceeds by over 50 percent the average annual sum ($4.2 billion) that the United States spent—again, in real dollars—throughout the four and a half decades of the Cold War. There is no nuclear arms race going on now. The world no longer offers many suitable nuclear targets. President Bush is trying to persuade other nations—especially "rogue regimes"—to forgo their nuclear ambitions. Yet he is shoveling money to U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories as if the Soviet Union still existed and the Cold War still raged." pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "So keep that smile on your face. Have a drink to help you sleep at night. They got what they desired. We're passive in their brave new world." New Model Army

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                              Nishant Sivakumar wrote:

                              Is the US continuing to make nukes? I don't think so

                              Then you'd be wrong. from a couple of years ago. http://www.slate.com/id/2099425/[^] Quote bit "Measured in "real dollars" (that is, adjusting for inflation), this year's spending on nuclear activities is equal to what Ronald Reagan spent at the height of the U.S.-Soviet standoff. It exceeds by over 50 percent the average annual sum ($4.2 billion) that the United States spent—again, in real dollars—throughout the four and a half decades of the Cold War. There is no nuclear arms race going on now. The world no longer offers many suitable nuclear targets. President Bush is trying to persuade other nations—especially "rogue regimes"—to forgo their nuclear ambitions. Yet he is shoveling money to U.S. nuclear weapons laboratories as if the Soviet Union still existed and the Cold War still raged." pseudonym67 My Articles[^] "So keep that smile on your face. Have a drink to help you sleep at night. They got what they desired. We're passive in their brave new world." New Model Army

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                              pseudonym67 wrote:

                              Then you'd be wrong.

                              You are. The US doesn't currently make nuclear weapons (and hasn't sine the nuclear non-proliferation treaty). You'll notice that the article you quoted specifically avoids stating that the US is manufacturing nuclear weapons. Nuclear weapons are extremely expensive to maintain, and that's where all the money goes. We also don't detonate nuclear weapons anymore (which was once necessary for maintenance) so we have supercomputers that are used to help in that department.

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                              • S Sarath C

                                Hi All, American govt largely developing and storing nuclear weapons. On the other hand using their power military power, they're resist other countries like iraq on developing such weapons. Is this right or not? SaRath

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                                Tim Carmichael
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                                Having let the nuclear genie out of the bottle, how many of us would like to be able to reverse history and wipe out all knowledge of the use of nuclear weapons? Unfortunately, we can't.

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                                • R Ryan Roberts

                                  Don't look for morality in international politics, you will only see your own prejudices. Mine are that undemocratic, belligerents theocracies should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons any more than I would like to see an assault rifle in the hands of a schizophrenic. The whole MAD philosophy breaks down without rational actors, which for all their bluster, both the west and the soviets were throughout the cold war. Ryan

                                  "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                                  Ryan Roberts wrote:

                                  Mine are that undemocratic, belligerents theocracies should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons any more than I would like to see an assault rifle in the hands of a schizophrenic.

                                  Oh, the irony!

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                                    Ryan Roberts wrote:

                                    Mine are that undemocratic, belligerents theocracies should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons any more than I would like to see an assault rifle in the hands of a schizophrenic.

                                    Oh, the irony!

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                                    Red Stateler
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                                    Why is that ironic? George Bush (and all our other electable officials) were elected. GW is also not a church leader and we have complete religious freedom in this country. Are you angry because your preferred candidate(s) lost or something?

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                                      Ryan Roberts wrote:

                                      Mine are that undemocratic, belligerents theocracies should not be allowed to have nuclear weapons any more than I would like to see an assault rifle in the hands of a schizophrenic.

                                      Oh, the irony!

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                                      Ryan Roberts
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                                      Oh, the crappy moral equivalence! Ryan

                                      "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                                      • S Sarath C

                                        sorry im not used to visit soapbox forum SaRath

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                                        SaRath C wrote:

                                        sorry im not used to visit soapbox forum

                                        Your question shows it! to be true almost world wars have happened and over on this issue here. Anyway, I'd reply you still . NO.


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                                          SaRath C wrote:

                                          sorry im not used to visit soapbox forum

                                          Your question shows it! to be true almost world wars have happened and over on this issue here. Anyway, I'd reply you still . NO.


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                                          Eytukan
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                                          I mean , It's not right. [couldn't modify the previous message :( ]


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