The Purpose-Driven Life-Takers
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Religions need to evolve. You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism. If violent games work better, then people are going to use that I guess. Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism.
Well the apostles and the early church (pre-Constantine) did a good job of spreading Christianity with a strong emphasis on pacifism. But the Christianity they lived and the Gospel they preached are much different from that of today. The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives. Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing. Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for, groups like the one mentioned in the OP resort to getting people to rally behind a militant cause.
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More irony: The game, slated for release by October 2006 in advance of the Christmas shopping rush On the other hand, it's no different than any other violent games kids are playing nowadays. They're mature enough to separate fiction from reality, right? It helps keep them off the street and build their reflexes, right? Video games have been shown to be good for brain development, right? Besides, it'll sell like hotcakes. As usual, if there wasn't a market for it, other people wouldn't invest in making the product. We need a video game that pits peaceloving, free love, pot smoking hippy against the warmonger consumer. Hippy weapons include: Massage, meditation, and shrooms, with safe houses at the Esalen Institute[^]. ;P Marc Pensieve Some people believe what the bible says. Literally. At least [with Wikipedia] you have the chance to correct the wiki -- Jörgen Sigvardsson
Marc Clifton wrote:
We need a video game that pits peaceloving, free love, pot smoking hippy against the warmonger consumer. Hippy weapons include: Massage, meditation, and shrooms, with safe houses at the Esalen Institute
:laugh:
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow. Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond - it is probably a foreign concept to you.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
You can't spread religion through peace - that's not a very successful mechanism.
Well the apostles and the early church (pre-Constantine) did a good job of spreading Christianity with a strong emphasis on pacifism. But the Christianity they lived and the Gospel they preached are much different from that of today. The Gospel that Jesus and His apostles taught and lived was one of love, compassion, forgiveness, a whole-hearted commitment to helping others in all areas of life, and to standing up to and fighting injustice, cruelty, suffering, and all that causes damage in people's lives. Today, the emphasis is in most cases on being saved not for the purpose of being saved from sin to follow Christ, but for the purpose of getting to heaven, and on following the right rules, looking good, going to church, and tithing. Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for, groups like the one mentioned in the OP resort to getting people to rally behind a militant cause.
J. Dunlap wrote:
Because there is nothing truly compelling left to strive for
I don't know about that. I find that a rather pessimistic view and I don't just mean that in a religious aspect.
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J. Dunlap wrote:
How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace??
That's easy to answer. It's all open to subjective interpretation. How you view it is completely different than, say, how they view it. This is a classic conundrum with all philosophical ideologies.
thealj wrote:
That's easy to answer. It's all open to subjective interpretation. How you view it is completely different than, say, how they view it. This is a classic conundrum with all philosophical ideologies.
I've yet to see one person who can back up the idea of violence in the name of Christ, or pre-emptive war for that matter, using the New Testament. The best they can do is fudge and quote out of context, and then turn to Augustine's "Just War Theory".
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Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow. Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond - it is probably a foreign concept to you.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow.
Ouch :(( MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow. Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond - it is probably a foreign concept to you.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond so it is probably a foreign concept to you.
I'm not defending the guy this is directed to, rather I'm taking issue with the poke at the educational system. I was educated in both the European and North American systems. From personal experience I can say that Europe's system of education is no better or worse than that across the pond. And yes, they both teach irony.
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion.
Dave was being sarcastic - he was implying that this is what people do when a minority of Muslims commit some crazy act. Regards, Nish
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David Wulff wrote:
Still, I will let you off because I know that they don't teach irony in schools on your side of the pond so it is probably a foreign concept to you.
I'm not defending the guy this is directed to, rather I'm taking issue with the poke at the educational system. I was educated in both the European and North American systems. From personal experience I can say that Europe's system of education is no better or worse than that across the pond. And yes, they both teach irony.
thealj wrote:
And yes, they both teach irony.
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
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David Wulff wrote:
Interesting how people like you can't tell your arse from your elbow.
Ouch :(( MOΛΩN ΛABE
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thealj wrote:
That's easy to answer. It's all open to subjective interpretation. How you view it is completely different than, say, how they view it. This is a classic conundrum with all philosophical ideologies.
I've yet to see one person who can back up the idea of violence in the name of Christ, or pre-emptive war for that matter, using the New Testament. The best they can do is fudge and quote out of context, and then turn to Augustine's "Just War Theory".
J. Dunlap wrote:
I've yet to see one person who can back up the idea of violence in the name of Christ, or pre-emptive war for that matter, using the New Testament. The best they can do is fudge and quote out of context, and then turn to Augustine's "Just War Theory".
Well, if you accept that the origins of the new testament can be dated prior to 200 AD, then Urban II during his speech at the Council of Clermont comes to mind. Of course I condemn any type of violence in the name of religion or otherwise. Furthermore, I also agree with you that the New testament is intended to be a book that illustrates the benefits of peace. However, even when the bible is quoted out of context some people will always remain receptive to distorted ideologies.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion.
Dave was being sarcastic - he was implying that this is what people do when a minority of Muslims commit some crazy act. Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Yeah, but this wasn't an act. It's a video game that seems on par with Grand Theft Auto. I think Score 1 recognized David's attempt at irony and attacked it for drawing moral equivalence between bombing a bus and making a video violent game.
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thealj wrote:
And yes, they both teach irony.
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
Ðavid Wulff Audioscrobbler | Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"Prejudices, biases, and no real thought in action. Nothing useful ever comes of it." - Jeremy FalconDavid Wulff wrote:
I guess while being educated in Europe you must have missed the class that covered taking the piss.
Indeed I did! How could you possibly imagine the Swiss teaching such "unclean" concepts??!!? Why, that "privilege" is reserved for Englishmen! ;P
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Interesting how people like you are so quick to criticize all christians because of a violent video game, but will not criticize Islam after its followers kill people daily in the name of their religion. When is the last time you can remember that christians killed a group of people with a roadside bomb, or flew airplanes into a building killing thousands of people? MOΛΩN ΛABE
You blamed all muslims, not the individuals doing this. The tigress is here :-D
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At least it is just fake violence on a video game, and not real violence like what they do in the Religion of Peace. MOΛΩN ΛABE
It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
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It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
Like Grand Theft Auto?
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Left Behind: Eternal Forces[^] Imagine: you are a foot soldier in a paramilitary group whose purpose is to remake America as a Christian theocracy, and establish its worldly vision of the dominion of Christ over all aspects of life. You are issued high-tech military weaponry, and instructed to engage the infidel on the streets of New York City. You are on a mission - both a religious mission and a military mission -- to convert or kill Catholics, Jews, Muslims, Buddhists, gays, and anyone who advocates the separation of church and state - especially moderate, mainstream Christians. Your mission is "to conduct physical and spiritual warfare"; all who resist must be taken out with extreme prejudice. You have never felt so powerful, so driven by a purpose: you are 13 years old. You are playing a real-time strategy video game whose creators are linked to the empire of mega-church pastor Rick Warren, best selling author of The Purpose Driven Life. Sickening! X| How can people who claim to be followers of Jesus, and who claim to know their Bibles, promote this kind of cr*p in the name of Christ, the Prince of Peace?? :mad: I know the answer but I am still incredulous, even though I have known for some time that there are 'Christians' who think like that.
J. Dunlap wrote:
to convert or kill Catholics,
:confused: Aren't they Christians too? At a close look, no one is normal.
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It makes hate crime acceptable. Look up the figures for yourself. The tigress is here :-D
The term "Hate Crime" really pisses me off. How can you make hate a crime if there is freedom of speech? And if the said "Hate Crime" involves violence, why bring the term "hate" into it, it as an assault or murder, not a "hate crime". MOΛΩN ΛABE
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J. Dunlap wrote:
to convert or kill Catholics,
:confused: Aren't they Christians too? At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano Veloso -
Like Grand Theft Auto?
espeir wrote:
Like Grand Theft Auto?
No, that cant be hate crime when black gangs are violent towards white people. They are only in gangs because they are opressed and looked down on by the white people. :rolleyes: MOΛΩN ΛABE