Fence 'Em In
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I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine.
I bet your country is in National Geographic Magazine MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Well, the big distinction that needs to be made about the Berlin wall, aside from keeping people in, was that it was only the final leg of a no man's land along the border which was enforced by the military with a shoot to kill policy for people looking like they were escaping. Sure, that didn't stop everyone but it was pretty effective. If you raise the ante to a high probabibility of being killed if you're caught, people might tend to think twice before trying. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Tim Craig wrote:
If you raise the ante to a high probabibility of being killed if you're caught
So you propose turning the border into a killing field? How very humane of you.
Wjousts wrote:
So you propose turning the border into a killing field? How very humane of you.
I don't recall advocating anything about the US border in my post. People were arguing about why one wall or another was effecive about keeping people in or out. All I did was point out why the Berling "wall" was effective. Thank you for putting words into my mouth. However, I would like to see the Mexican border secured for a number of reasons. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
No... unless you committed a crime this morning while you sped on your way to work.
So you are comparing entering a country illegally to a traffic violation? MOΛΩN ΛABE
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
OK... I know a man *cough* who drove over the speed limit this morning and was never caught. Is he a criminal?
If he took actions to avoid the legal consequences for doing so he certainly is.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
Nah, an invasion translates to hostility.
The ones I've met are entirely hostile. (Of course, most of the Americans I meet are also hostile so maybe its just me) "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Of course, most of the Americans I meet are also hostile so maybe its just me
It's you, Stan. People just naturally hate you. :)
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Wjousts wrote:
So you propose turning the border into a killing field? How very humane of you.
I don't recall advocating anything about the US border in my post. People were arguing about why one wall or another was effecive about keeping people in or out. All I did was point out why the Berling "wall" was effective. Thank you for putting words into my mouth. However, I would like to see the Mexican border secured for a number of reasons. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
That just makes all the differnce.
It does! The lazy criminals get less time in the prison yard. :)
:laugh: Hey don't worry, I can handle it. I took something. I can see things no one else can see. Why are you dressed like that? - Jack Burton
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Tim Craig wrote:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
What does that mean? Objects in mirror are closer than they appear
It means that natural selection has essentially be removed as a driving force in human evolution. Therefore, since we're developing the capability, human evolution needs to be planned, directed, and controlled if it's to take place. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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kgaddy wrote:
No, the distinction that was made is a moral one.
So morality is going to stop people crossing the border? People are going to get to the fence and see the error of their ways? I think JCs point (and JC can feel free to correct me here) was that walls don't work, not that they are immoral.
Wjousts wrote:
So morality is going to stop people crossing the border?
Huh? no, walls will stop them at the border. JCs' point was it was imoral, just look at the Berlin wall. My distinction was they server diffrent purposes.
Wjousts wrote:
I think JCs point (and JC can feel free to correct me here) was that walls don't work, not that they are immoral.
He made Both points. And I provided proof that walls can be effective, mabe not 100%, but then again, nothing is 100%. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter. And to be honest, I can't even say I don't like what they say. I don't even dislike espeir, stan and etc. They are too far away from me to do me any harm. Actually I find them a little exotic, in a curious sense; like those exotic people in National Geographic Magazine. At a close look, no one is normal.
Caetano VelosoDiego Moita wrote:
I am not Mexican. I am not even dark skinned (maybe a little beach-tanned, at most). My point is that the political discourse of Stan, espeir, punkinhead and a part of the extremists is not about trying to solve a big problem; it is just the instintive reaction of "kick'em out". They think they can solve a problem with 12 million people the same way they would expulse 10 people. They don't think about the huge amount of logistical, political, economical and ethical complications. Since is just an instinctive reaction it is not reason. That's why facts don't matter.
Again, where does race come in to play? Can you point to anything these people said that was racist? Maybe you disagree with them, but calling them racist makes it look like you are just attacking them because you disagree with them. And it's just plain wrong. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"