Another important issue, no doubt
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Fisticuffs wrote:
I agree: a traditional world view born out of ignorance of the mechanics of the biological, chemical, and physical world.
So we are going to enslave our culture to scientific equations and chemical formulas? Every cultural artifact gets tossed aside because it can't be reduced to some kind of mathematical proof? Your political opinion of homosexuality has nothing to do with science in any case. Even if homosexuality is the result of some sort of explicite underlieing genetic cause, that does not mean it therefor must become an accepted component of the lifes of people who have reasons, religlious or otherwise, to not wish to associate with it or to have their legal system redefined to accomodate it. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Which other genetic "infirmities" would you like to root out? Black skin? Slanted eyes? Let's shun all those with Down's syndrome? The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Nice try. Always play the racism card when all else fail. I never said anything about infirmities or that I want 'root out' anything. You're the one trying to force your moral agenda on other people, not me. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Nice try. Always play the racism card when all else fail. I never said anything about infirmities or that I want 'root out' anything. You're the one trying to force your moral agenda on other people, not me. "You get that which you tolerate"
Well, you seemed to be saying that bigotry is just dandy and the fact it's based on a genetic distinction doesn't cut any ice. And I'm trying very hard not to tolerate you but it could be a full time job. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Well, you seemed to be saying that bigotry is just dandy and the fact it's based on a genetic distinction doesn't cut any ice. And I'm trying very hard not to tolerate you but it could be a full time job. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
Well, you seemed to be saying that bigotry is just dandy and the fact it's based on a genetic distinction doesn't cut any ice.
I will say this. I think discrimination against behavior is a basic, fundamental human right, regardless of whether that behavior has genetic causes or not. Otherwise, we have simply taken 'free exercise of religion' out of the constitution. Free exercise of religion means having the ability to apply your personal values in your daily life. If the government can impose some other groups values on you, forcing you to accept some form of behavior that violates your own principles, than you live in a tyranny. People who do not approve of homosexual behavior should not be forced to tolerate it by the state. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Tim Craig wrote:
Well, you seemed to be saying that bigotry is just dandy and the fact it's based on a genetic distinction doesn't cut any ice.
I will say this. I think discrimination against behavior is a basic, fundamental human right, regardless of whether that behavior has genetic causes or not. Otherwise, we have simply taken 'free exercise of religion' out of the constitution. Free exercise of religion means having the ability to apply your personal values in your daily life. If the government can impose some other groups values on you, forcing you to accept some form of behavior that violates your own principles, than you live in a tyranny. People who do not approve of homosexual behavior should not be forced to tolerate it by the state. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
If the government can impose some other groups values on you, forcing you to accept some form of behavior that violates your own principles, than you live in a tyranny.
Now you're getting it. The government forces me to swear on a Bible to give testimony in court, to look at the 10 commandments hanging over the judge, to swear allegiance to the christian god when I try to be patriotic and swear allegiance to the flag. I guess it's only those priciples that YOU agree with that aren't tyrannical. What a hypocrit. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
If the government can impose some other groups values on you, forcing you to accept some form of behavior that violates your own principles, than you live in a tyranny.
Now you're getting it. The government forces me to swear on a Bible to give testimony in court, to look at the 10 commandments hanging over the judge, to swear allegiance to the christian god when I try to be patriotic and swear allegiance to the flag. I guess it's only those priciples that YOU agree with that aren't tyrannical. What a hypocrit. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
I guess it's only those priciples that YOU agree with that aren't tyrannical. What a hypocrit.
I never said that. They are tyranical. Civilization IS tyranny. Get used to it. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Tim Craig wrote:
I guess it's only those priciples that YOU agree with that aren't tyrannical. What a hypocrit.
I never said that. They are tyranical. Civilization IS tyranny. Get used to it. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
I never said that. They are tyranical. Civilization IS tyranny. Get used to it.
So you expect me to quietly accept your form of tyranny while you whine about having someone else's form of tyranny imposed on you? Again that sounds awfully hypocritical to me. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I never said that. They are tyranical. Civilization IS tyranny. Get used to it.
So you expect me to quietly accept your form of tyranny while you whine about having someone else's form of tyranny imposed on you? Again that sounds awfully hypocritical to me. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
So you expect me to quietly accept your form of tyranny while you whine about having someone else's form of tyranny imposed on you?
Yes I do expect that, just as I would accept yours if you would at least impose it within the context of our constitutional system and be honest about what it is rather than lieing about is as some kind of great leap in justice and freedom. Its just your moral agenda, nothing more, nothing less. It does not expand freedom, it does not make the world a better place, it just means you are able to impose your views on others. "You get that which you tolerate"
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Tim Craig wrote:
So you expect me to quietly accept your form of tyranny while you whine about having someone else's form of tyranny imposed on you?
Yes I do expect that, just as I would accept yours if you would at least impose it within the context of our constitutional system and be honest about what it is rather than lieing about is as some kind of great leap in justice and freedom. Its just your moral agenda, nothing more, nothing less. It does not expand freedom, it does not make the world a better place, it just means you are able to impose your views on others. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
just as I would accept yours
So now you want to impose rules on how someone else's tyranny is applied to you? I don't think that's how tyranny works. Get over it. Just sit back, shut up, and enjoy the ride.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It does not expand freedom, it does not make the world a better place
Taking some group of people and making them second class citizens because they don't fit some religious zealot's view of the world hardly expands freedom either unless you're talking about the zealot's freedom to be an asshole but we already allow that. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
just as I would accept yours
So now you want to impose rules on how someone else's tyranny is applied to you? I don't think that's how tyranny works. Get over it. Just sit back, shut up, and enjoy the ride.
Stan Shannon wrote:
It does not expand freedom, it does not make the world a better place
Taking some group of people and making them second class citizens because they don't fit some religious zealot's view of the world hardly expands freedom either unless you're talking about the zealot's freedom to be an asshole but we already allow that. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Tim Craig wrote:
So now you want to impose rules on how someone else's tyranny is applied to you?
I never said that either. You are free to impose tyranny upon me in any way you have the power to do.
Tim Craig wrote:
Get over it. Just sit back, shut up, and enjoy the ride.
You have to be in the driver's seat to say that - so sit back, shut up and enjoy the ride.
Tim Craig wrote:
Taking some group of people and making them second class citizens because they don't fit some religious zealot's view of the world hardly expands freedom either unless you're talking about the zealot's freedom to be an asshole but we already allow that.
And forcing the majority to submit to the will of a group of people because it suits their moral zealotry is even worse. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 15:09 Wednesday 7th June, 2006
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Tim Craig wrote:
So now you want to impose rules on how someone else's tyranny is applied to you?
I never said that either. You are free to impose tyranny upon me in any way you have the power to do.
Tim Craig wrote:
Get over it. Just sit back, shut up, and enjoy the ride.
You have to be in the driver's seat to say that - so sit back, shut up and enjoy the ride.
Tim Craig wrote:
Taking some group of people and making them second class citizens because they don't fit some religious zealot's view of the world hardly expands freedom either unless you're talking about the zealot's freedom to be an asshole but we already allow that.
And forcing the majority to submit to the will of a group of people because it suits their moral zealotry is even worse. "You get that which you tolerate" -- modified at 15:09 Wednesday 7th June, 2006
Stan Shannon wrote:
You are free to impose tyranny upon me in any way you have the power to do.
Excellent! When shall we start? :-D
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You are free to impose tyranny upon me in any way you have the power to do.
Excellent! When shall we start? :-D
thealj wrote:
Excellent! When shall we start?
Actually, I believe it started about 70 years ago. "You get that which you tolerate"
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thealj wrote:
Excellent! When shall we start?
Actually, I believe it started about 70 years ago. "You get that which you tolerate"
Stan Shannon wrote:
Actually, I believe it started about 70 years ago.
You can't be 70 years old, so I'm missing out on the reference here...
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Actually, I believe it started about 70 years ago.
You can't be 70 years old, so I'm missing out on the reference here...
The current leftist tyranny in the US begain with FDR during the 1930's. The right began reasserting its own tyranny in the 1980's, but the job isn't done yet. "You get that which you tolerate"