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    http://www.worldjumpday.org/[^] Maybe they should use elephants =P hehe hint_54

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    KaRl
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    Considering gyroscopic effect, I wonder what consequences of such an attempt (if successful) would be on Earth structure :suss:


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    Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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      http://www.worldjumpday.org/[^] Maybe they should use elephants =P hehe hint_54

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      QuiJohn
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      The Weekly World News once uncovered a plot that the Chinese were all going to jump simultaneously, pushing the earth out of orbit and thus destroying our capitalistic way of life. I don't know if it worked.

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        The Weekly World News once uncovered a plot that the Chinese were all going to jump simultaneously, pushing the earth out of orbit and thus destroying our capitalistic way of life. I don't know if it worked.

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        David Kentley wrote:

        I don't know if it worked.

        Judging by our way of life, it didn't.. hehe hint_54

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          Chris Meech wrote:

          Also has anyone even considered how infinitely small the mass of all human beings is, compared to the mass of the earth?

          Hmmm...If the average person weighs 120 pounds, then overall people would weigh about 720 billion pounds (~= 342,000,000,000 kg) According to Google, the mass of the earth is 5,974,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. That means the mass of the earth is roughly 17,500,000,000,000 times the mass of all combined humans.

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          That means the mass of the earth is roughly 17,500,000,000,000 times the mass of all combined humans.

          Which means that if everyone stood on the same spot and jumped 17.5cm into the air the Earth would shift 1/100 of a nanometer, the force of everyone landing a fraction of a second later would generate an equal shift in the oposite direction.

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            Chris Meech wrote:

            Also has anyone even considered how infinitely small the mass of all human beings is, compared to the mass of the earth?

            Hmmm...If the average person weighs 120 pounds, then overall people would weigh about 720 billion pounds (~= 342,000,000,000 kg) According to Google, the mass of the earth is 5,974,200,000,000,000,000,000,000 kg. That means the mass of the earth is roughly 17,500,000,000,000 times the mass of all combined humans.

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            I don't think this is about weight, but the attractive force that the sun applies on earth. So I would gess it is A LOT bigger then that =) Lets put it this way: if a commet came and hit the earth, what would its size and speed be in order to change the earth's course? Now lets say that all humans on earth can reach that kind of mass (and I doubt it).. What about speed? hint_54

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              Considering gyroscopic effect, I wonder what consequences of such an attempt (if successful) would be on Earth structure :suss:


              It is easier to make war than to make peace.

              Fold with us! ¤ flickr

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              hint_54
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              K(arl) wrote:

              I wonder what consequences of such an attempt (if successful) would be on Earth structure

              First things I can think of: 1) The seasons would change 2) So would the climate (still habitable?) 3) We could be in colision course with some other planet.. 4) Would the moon follow earth? 5) If the moon changed, so would the seas But i'm shure it would have many more consequences.. hint_54

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                espeir wrote:

                That means the mass of the earth is roughly 17,500,000,000,000 times the mass of all combined humans.

                Which means that if everyone stood on the same spot and jumped 17.5cm into the air the Earth would shift 1/100 of a nanometer, the force of everyone landing a fraction of a second later would generate an equal shift in the oposite direction.

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                dan neely wrote:

                Which means that if everyone stood on the same spot and jumped 17.5cm into the air the Earth would shift 1/100 of a nanometer, the force of everyone landing a fraction of a second later would generate an equal shift in the oposite direction.

                Too mathematical to be true =P hehe hint_54

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                  http://www.worldjumpday.org/[^] Maybe they should use elephants =P hehe hint_54

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                  Andy Brummer
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                  WOW, that's f**king retarded.


                  I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                    I don't think this is about weight, but the attractive force that the sun applies on earth. So I would gess it is A LOT bigger then that =) Lets put it this way: if a commet came and hit the earth, what would its size and speed be in order to change the earth's course? Now lets say that all humans on earth can reach that kind of mass (and I doubt it).. What about speed? hint_54

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                    When it comes to comets hitting earth, you are right. It is all about "Wait and See". :) Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] The America I believe in has always understood that natural harmony is only one meal away from monkey burgers. [Stan Shannon] GOOD DAY FOR: Bean counters, as the Australian Taxation Office said that prostitutes and strippers could claim tax deductions for adult toys and sexy lingerie. [Associated Press]

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                      http://www.worldjumpday.org/[^] Maybe they should use elephants =P hehe hint_54

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                      Pussies. Real mad scientists trigger simultaneous volcanic eruptions in large mountain ranges...

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                        http://www.worldjumpday.org/[^] Maybe they should use elephants =P hehe hint_54

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                        Maybe you could just jump up and down repeatedly. Eventually, that should have the same affect. "You get that which you tolerate"

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                          Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                          Scientists are not needed. There are red buttons that will cause MAD. And maybe, with a little luck, a change in orbit. :)

                          -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.

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                            Maybe you could just jump up and down repeatedly. Eventually, that should have the same affect. "You get that which you tolerate"

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                            Jorgen Sigvardsson
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                            I think removing a person from the surface of the earth, has more effect than had that human jumped up and down a million times. There's a lot of loose and fluid stuff between earth's center of gravity and its crust. :)

                            -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.

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                              Maybe you could just jump up and down repeatedly. Eventually, that should have the same affect. "You get that which you tolerate"

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                              Dan Neely
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                              Nope. Equal and opposite forces from taking off and landing.

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                                Nope. Equal and opposite forces from taking off and landing.

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                                Stan Shannon
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                                Wouldn't that constitute the "same affect" as doing it the other way? "You get that which you tolerate"

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                                  Nope. Equal and opposite forces from taking off and landing.

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                                  dan neely wrote:

                                  Equal and opposite forces from taking off and landing.

                                  Not really. Jumping exerts a downward push sufficient to overcome gravity and jump x cm into the air. gravity then accellerates you body until it re-impacts the earth imparting (again) a downward force as the kinetic energy is dissipated. Granted, at the apex of your jump, your gravity acts on earth with the same force as it does you, but the mass difference make accellaration of the earth inconsequential. Even so, this sounds like bunk to me.

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                                    I think removing a person from the surface of the earth, has more effect than had that human jumped up and down a million times. There's a lot of loose and fluid stuff between earth's center of gravity and its crust. :)

                                    -- 100% natural. No superstitious additives.

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                                    I think all the volunteers should climb to the top of the highest building in their vecinity and jump off (timing the leap so that all will strike the round together). That way we eliminate the most negative component to the human gene pool at once...

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                                      The Weekly World News once uncovered a plot that the Chinese were all going to jump simultaneously, pushing the earth out of orbit and thus destroying our capitalistic way of life. I don't know if it worked.

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                                      KaRl
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                                      David Kentley wrote:

                                      destroying our capitalistic way of life

                                      It is happening, but they didn't need to jump to succeed


                                      It is easier to make war than to make peace.

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                                        Wouldn't that constitute the "same affect" as doing it the other way? "You get that which you tolerate"

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                                        Andy Brummer
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                                        In practical terms they have the same non-effect. In more theoretical terms, jumps have to occur at specific places in the orbit so that they will have a combined effect and not cancel each other out. If the sun were not there and the Earth moving in unconstrained motion the Earth would shift slightly and then move back to the same path while you jumped. Similar to what would happen if the Earth split in 2 and and merged back together each part would have a little hump in it's path while it was seperated and then merge back to the same straight line. With the Sun's gravity that hump means that the Earth would experience slightly different gravity while it was displaced from its path. This would cause a slight change in its direction. If you time your jumps so that the motion of the Earth always moved it to an area with weaker gravity you could eventually change the orbit of the Earth. Some of the plans to divert asteroids use approaches like that, except it is much easier since they are soo much smaller.


                                        I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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                                          I think all the volunteers should climb to the top of the highest building in their vecinity and jump off (timing the leap so that all will strike the round together). That way we eliminate the most negative component to the human gene pool at once...

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                                          Andy Brummer
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                                          I think the effect might be greater if it involved a ship, the middle of the ocean and a heavy rock. Either that or a rocket getting them off the planet forever.


                                          I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon

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