What’s the big deal with Java?
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
Anonymous wrote: I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. You forgot to mention VB, ASP, Unix, PowerBuilder, SAP, MVS. I have been looking for the last 5 months and the skills mentioned above are being requested everywhere. I think it is something to do with being cool. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
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Anonymous wrote: I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. You forgot to mention VB, ASP, Unix, PowerBuilder, SAP, MVS. I have been looking for the last 5 months and the skills mentioned above are being requested everywhere. I think it is something to do with being cool. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
Michael Martin wrote: You forgot to mention VB, ASP, Unix, PowerBuilder, SAP, MVS. Is C++ not cool anymore ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
I would have thought that java would be a language to go on the side like "Hi i program in C++, C#, VB, PHP, Perl......and Java". As another language to put on a job application. Recently with all this .NET stuff and web services powered by more powerful languages, Java should be outdated. It should be there as an alternative but mainly as one of the stepping points from learning HTML to learning C++. I'm not late, I'm just not as early as I could have been. MSN Messenger address: jonathann4@hotmail.com feel free to chat!
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Michael Martin wrote: You forgot to mention VB, ASP, Unix, PowerBuilder, SAP, MVS. Is C++ not cool anymore ? Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
****Colin Davies wrote: Is C++ not cool anymore ? I wouldn't say that. There are C++ jobs out there. All you need is to be 25 with 15+ years experience willing to take junior/mid level rates. Have COM/DCOM, ActiveX, ATL, WTL, STL, COM+, ASP, SQL Server, Oracle, ODBC, MFC, SDK, API, GUI design, OO design, UML. Uni degree with Distinction average etc. The other stuff I mention seem to make the majority of the jobs returned when I search for "Visual C++" SQL MFC. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
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I read an article by James Gosling where he said that the whole "run on any platform" thing was just marketing bullkrap. I can't see that Java will gain anymore popularity. Cheers, Simon X-5 452 rules.
simons wrote: I read an article by James Gosling where he said that the whole "run on any platform" thing was just marketing bullkrap. Yes it is :) You get bit by the same problems that plauge Windows development, and to make it even worse you have multiple vendors producing the implementation behind the API (the VM). I never even did anything major with Java and I ran into problems with different VMs. Just writing some applications for uni. One thing I've heard is that one Java Web Application Server is incompatible with the next one. James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
Anonymous wrote: (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Well, that statement eliminates one of the big advantages of Java, while it is true the you have to insert a "test anywhere" before "run anywhere" there is definately (spelling?) no COMPILE everywhere. And if your application is a non-GUI server then i doubt that you are likely to run into any compatibility issues, i know that i never did anyway... But as a personal opinion i really don't find the platform pseudo-independance to be the most important quality of Java, i would rather point to the elegance of the language itself and the garbage collector which makes it easy to concentrate on design instead of tracing memory leaks. All of the above could also be said about C# but it will be a while before .NET runs on all the platforms that Java has conquerred (spelling?... again...). Java is not a miracle cure for everything of course, but when you know it's forces and weakness'es then you are ready to give a serious estimation on whether to use it for a given project or not. And this is also true for any other languages... Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
I have come to a revelation! The real reason that Java is so popular is that it finally lets companies distribute binaries on *nix! With the binary format differing between the different distros of linux a source only distrobution made the most sense; this has the problem that your code is now out there for the masses to see. With Java your binary will run on any *nix because it isn't executed by the OS but by an interpretter/JITter. Pardon me for rambling on, it just finally clicked why Java has been a big boon to linux people :) James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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****Colin Davies wrote: Is C++ not cool anymore ? I wouldn't say that. There are C++ jobs out there. All you need is to be 25 with 15+ years experience willing to take junior/mid level rates. Have COM/DCOM, ActiveX, ATL, WTL, STL, COM+, ASP, SQL Server, Oracle, ODBC, MFC, SDK, API, GUI design, OO design, UML. Uni degree with Distinction average etc. The other stuff I mention seem to make the majority of the jobs returned when I search for "Visual C++" SQL MFC. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
ATTABOY!! WELL SAID!! If somehow u manage to have all he A-Z alphabet soup skills on ur resume, you need to have a Green Card/be a citizen of the US. I for one happen to have quite a few of those skills, but am not able to find my dream(read hardcore geek) job, cos 9/10 places I dont even get interviewed cos of my non-permanent immigration status. These companies want someone else to shoulder the burden of sponsoring Green cards and go through all the(formidable) formalities, then are ready to snap up the guys who become permanent residents. Is that fair????
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First, let me start by saying that I don’t want to start a religious flame war over the best computer language. :rose: With that said my question is "What’s the big deal with Java?" I’m asking this question because I’m looking for a new job and it seems like everywhere I look there is a java job. I’ve been developing in C++ for the past five years, I’ve never had the need to investigate Java, from what I know about it doesn’t seem to offer that much more than C++. (Please don’t answer this question by stating that you can write the java program once and it will run on nearly every type of computer ever built.) Has java gained popularity because it was cool technology and that there was some kind of sex appeal to a language without pointers?
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****Colin Davies wrote: Is C++ not cool anymore ? I wouldn't say that. There are C++ jobs out there. All you need is to be 25 with 15+ years experience willing to take junior/mid level rates. Have COM/DCOM, ActiveX, ATL, WTL, STL, COM+, ASP, SQL Server, Oracle, ODBC, MFC, SDK, API, GUI design, OO design, UML. Uni degree with Distinction average etc. The other stuff I mention seem to make the majority of the jobs returned when I search for "Visual C++" SQL MFC. Michael Martin Australia mjm68@tpg.com.au "He orginally got the Tweezers of Destruction through the scanners but then popped back outside for a smoke." - Chris Maunder 26/03/2002
I used to work for a consulting company and as u all know, last year things got very bad in Feb. One of the marketing guys at my company was ranting that clients were then starting to club two or more requirements into one. According to him, it was not humanly possible for one person to have all the skils they wanted. Most of the combinations requested did not make sense at all.
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ATTABOY!! WELL SAID!! If somehow u manage to have all he A-Z alphabet soup skills on ur resume, you need to have a Green Card/be a citizen of the US. I for one happen to have quite a few of those skills, but am not able to find my dream(read hardcore geek) job, cos 9/10 places I dont even get interviewed cos of my non-permanent immigration status. These companies want someone else to shoulder the burden of sponsoring Green cards and go through all the(formidable) formalities, then are ready to snap up the guys who become permanent residents. Is that fair????
Anonymous wrote: Is that fair???? yes. there is no reason, in this economy, that a US company should go out of its way to sponsor anyone. there are plenty of legal resident programmers who can do the job, without the hassles of sponsorship. -c
"Do you mind if I smoke?" "Madam, I don't care if you burn." -Oscar Wilde Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
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Anonymous wrote: Is that fair???? yes. there is no reason, in this economy, that a US company should go out of its way to sponsor anyone. there are plenty of legal resident programmers who can do the job, without the hassles of sponsorship. -c
"Do you mind if I smoke?" "Madam, I don't care if you burn." -Oscar Wilde Smaller Animals Software, Inc.
Bigot!! ur probably a newbie who has had a rough deal in the job market and think ur a hotshot who knows everything. did u get rejected cos u didnt know the difference between a C pointer and C reference? Just cos some resident puts 5+ years experience on his resume doesnt mean he really knows C++(he may think he does which is different)
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Bigot!! ur probably a newbie who has had a rough deal in the job market and think ur a hotshot who knows everything. did u get rejected cos u didnt know the difference between a C pointer and C reference? Just cos some resident puts 5+ years experience on his resume doesnt mean he really knows C++(he may think he does which is different)
1. Congratulations on having the courage to flame people anonymously. That must really take some guts. 2. Given that you can't even type the English language, one has to wonder how you manage to climb a soap box so readily, it's a wonder you don't fall over it and break your nose. 3. Chris clearly knows a lot more about C than the difference between a pointer and a reference, as is evident by his frequent contributions to this site. What have you contributed ? 4. Why the HELL do you expect that US companies should be required to sponsor someone from OS when there are local people who can do the job, and at what point are you not a hypocrite for calling Chris a bigot ( which is completely unjustifed ) on the basis of your own bigotry ( the assumption that as a US resident he doesn't know his stuff ). Luckily this is rant n rave, so I am free to say that you are a weasely ball of maggot droppings, and that you should shut your hole unless you have something remotely intelligent to say, maybe even using real English instead of lame 'ur a hotshot' type garbage. Do you need to type quickly in case mummy finds you at the computer after your bedtime, or are you simply a moron ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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ATTABOY!! WELL SAID!! If somehow u manage to have all he A-Z alphabet soup skills on ur resume, you need to have a Green Card/be a citizen of the US. I for one happen to have quite a few of those skills, but am not able to find my dream(read hardcore geek) job, cos 9/10 places I dont even get interviewed cos of my non-permanent immigration status. These companies want someone else to shoulder the burden of sponsoring Green cards and go through all the(formidable) formalities, then are ready to snap up the guys who become permanent residents. Is that fair????
Anonymous wrote: Is that fair???? Yes, it is. If you're going to provide an extra burden to an employer, then you need to stand clearly out from the pack in order to be worth it. If your resume looks like your post, I'd be surprised if you got an interview. Business and charity are different concepts, and the world does not owe you a living. Deal with it. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Bigot!! ur probably a newbie who has had a rough deal in the job market and think ur a hotshot who knows everything. did u get rejected cos u didnt know the difference between a C pointer and C reference? Just cos some resident puts 5+ years experience on his resume doesnt mean he really knows C++(he may think he does which is different)
Anonymous wrote: Bigot!! Oh this is so typical. An anonymous coward screaming bigotry as soon as someone states an opinion he/she/it does not agree with. Get a Life!!! --- CPUA 0x5041 Sonork 100.11743 Chicken Little It may be that your sole purpose in life is simply to serve as a warning to others.
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1. Congratulations on having the courage to flame people anonymously. That must really take some guts. 2. Given that you can't even type the English language, one has to wonder how you manage to climb a soap box so readily, it's a wonder you don't fall over it and break your nose. 3. Chris clearly knows a lot more about C than the difference between a pointer and a reference, as is evident by his frequent contributions to this site. What have you contributed ? 4. Why the HELL do you expect that US companies should be required to sponsor someone from OS when there are local people who can do the job, and at what point are you not a hypocrite for calling Chris a bigot ( which is completely unjustifed ) on the basis of your own bigotry ( the assumption that as a US resident he doesn't know his stuff ). Luckily this is rant n rave, so I am free to say that you are a weasely ball of maggot droppings, and that you should shut your hole unless you have something remotely intelligent to say, maybe even using real English instead of lame 'ur a hotshot' type garbage. Do you need to type quickly in case mummy finds you at the computer after your bedtime, or are you simply a moron ? Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Lets put things in perspective. My apologies for using strong language. It was a momentary lapse of judgment. Let me also make it clear that I am NOT insinuating that residents do not know their stuff. I had some nasty experiences during the dot com era, interviews being arranged and then cancelled at the last minute. A couple of times, I was scheduled for phone interviews from recruiting agencies(prominent ones), I took off from work and the calls never came through. The sole common reason was my immigration status. The same companies post job ads calling for citizens/GREEN CARDS. They are only too willing to enjoy the fruits of the hassles other companies have gone through. To me, that is sheer hypocrisy. This is the main point I am trying to emphasize
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Lets put things in perspective. My apologies for using strong language. It was a momentary lapse of judgment. Let me also make it clear that I am NOT insinuating that residents do not know their stuff. I had some nasty experiences during the dot com era, interviews being arranged and then cancelled at the last minute. A couple of times, I was scheduled for phone interviews from recruiting agencies(prominent ones), I took off from work and the calls never came through. The sole common reason was my immigration status. The same companies post job ads calling for citizens/GREEN CARDS. They are only too willing to enjoy the fruits of the hassles other companies have gone through. To me, that is sheer hypocrisy. This is the main point I am trying to emphasize
Well, that may well be tough. However, it's not hypocritical at all to make clear that you only want to talk to people where the hassle of sponsoring someone is not going to be a factor. It's stating clearly what you're willing to do. In a job market where there are not enough people for positions, companies will accept the hassle more readily, as it stands they know they don't need to, so they won't. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Well, that may well be tough. However, it's not hypocritical at all to make clear that you only want to talk to people where the hassle of sponsoring someone is not going to be a factor. It's stating clearly what you're willing to do. In a job market where there are not enough people for positions, companies will accept the hassle more readily, as it stands they know they don't need to, so they won't. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian, I do my best not to read posts by anonymous posters, let alone reply to them. I don't want to tell you what to do, but if someone hasn't got the time, to create a Nick let a lone a name for themselves, there post isn't worth reading. All the same nice flaming. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
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Well, that may well be tough. However, it's not hypocritical at all to make clear that you only want to talk to people where the hassle of sponsoring someone is not going to be a factor. It's stating clearly what you're willing to do. In a job market where there are not enough people for positions, companies will accept the hassle more readily, as it stands they know they don't need to, so they won't. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian, I do my best not to read posts by anonymous posters, let alone reply to them. I don't want to tell you what to do, but if someone hasn't got the time, to create a Nick let alone a name for themselves, there post isn't worth reading. All the same nice flaming. :-) Regardz Colin J Davies
Sonork ID 100.9197:Colin
I think it's interesting that we often qu-ote each other in our sigs and attribute the qu-otes to "The Lounge". --- Daniel Fergusson, "The Lounge"
