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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Not at all
So to be clear, do you condemn suicide bombers? You are still somewhat ambigious in your hesitant response. What do you think is the fate of Muslim suicide bombers after death?
espeir wrote:
So to be clear, do you condemn suicide bombers?
well you know my belief which is based on Quran and hadith.I am quoting both below to clarify your confusion which has been bothering you since ages. Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely [Qur'an 5:32] "He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell" - Authentic Hadees from Sahih Muslim - Eng. Trans, Vol. 1, p.62, No.203 Many times sucide attacks were taken place in masjids and during prayers.So if they are muslims then why are they attacking mosques why not chruches? i have other things to do as well as dinner so i am sign off as i think i answered you fully. BTW:i referred following site[^].You may read further if you are still unclear.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
You asked it seriously and i responded you in similar way and NO i dont reside in Cp forums with intentions to bash others.Hope my question would have killed your curiosity.If you are man of words then you wouldnt bother yourself to ask again and again.
Fair reply. Now I am asking a diffent opinion. Why do so many muliums believe in violence and why don't musliums like you stop them. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
Now I am asking a diffent opinion. Why do so many muliums believe in violence and why don't musliums like you stop them.
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
kgaddy wrote:
why don't musliums like you stop them.
did someone make Ann coutler's mouth shut as yet? Its not about likness or dislikness at all.Its all about education which they dont get properly.Similar people exist in your society as well who were brainwashed *hint* about people of other culture and beliefs.When western peole who have more eduction and resources couldnt change themselves then how can you expect some overnight change from people who would not have any idea where US exist on map,who just know that *christians and jews* are our enemy.Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds. its my dinner and then sleeping time so bye
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espeir wrote:
So to be clear, do you condemn suicide bombers?
well you know my belief which is based on Quran and hadith.I am quoting both below to clarify your confusion which has been bothering you since ages. Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land - it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely [Qur'an 5:32] "He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell" - Authentic Hadees from Sahih Muslim - Eng. Trans, Vol. 1, p.62, No.203 Many times sucide attacks were taken place in masjids and during prayers.So if they are muslims then why are they attacking mosques why not chruches? i have other things to do as well as dinner so i am sign off as i think i answered you fully. BTW:i referred following site[^].You may read further if you are still unclear.
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You're still not being clear. You're merely quoting contradictory parts of the Quran and you're not stating your view on it. You stated prior to this that you don't believe suicide bombers are rewarded for their suicide, but this passage seems to indicate that perhaps they are rewarded for their slaughter of infidels (not being familiar with the Quran, I'm taking your word that these are passages):
"Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely"So basically the passage you quote might justify suicide bombing in your eyes as there is "corruption done in the land" and it is therefore righteous (or perhaps only acceptable) to kill a soul under that justification. But it also says:"He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell"That contradicts the first as killing onself "for corruption done in the land" is considered righteous (or merely acceptable) per the first passage, but here you are condemned for suicide regardless of the reason.Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Many times sucide attacks were taken place in masjids and during prayers.So if they are muslims then why are they attacking mosques why not chruches?
So then are you suggesting that it's good to kill non-Muslims in suicide bombings, but it's not OK to kill Muslims, so you condemn some suicide bombers (who kill Muslims) and praise others (who kill non-Muslims)? Am I correct in that?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
BTW:i referred following site[^].You may read further if you are still unclear.
That sight doesn't have much information, but it does suggest that you agree with my inquiries above. This sight seems to say that suicide bombings are justified as long as done in accordance with other religious rules. Is this correct?
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kgaddy wrote:
Now I am asking a diffent opinion. Why do so many muliums believe in violence and why don't musliums like you stop them.
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
kgaddy wrote:
why don't musliums like you stop them.
did someone make Ann coutler's mouth shut as yet? Its not about likness or dislikness at all.Its all about education which they dont get properly.Similar people exist in your society as well who were brainwashed *hint* about people of other culture and beliefs.When western peole who have more eduction and resources couldnt change themselves then how can you expect some overnight change from people who would not have any idea where US exist on map,who just know that *christians and jews* are our enemy.Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds. its my dinner and then sleeping time so bye
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
Actually neither I nor Ann Coulter have ever committed any violence (I can't speak for Stan). You, however, continue to avoid directly answering whether you support suicide bombers.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
did someone make Ann coutler's mouth shut as yet?
So you're comparing a petite blonde lady's right to free speech to slaughtering thousands of people now? I know that they don't know how to treat a lady in the middle east, but come on!
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Its not about likness or dislikness at all.Its all about education which they dont get properly.Similar people exist in your society as well who were brainwashed *hint* about people of other culture and beliefs.When western peole who have more eduction and resources couldnt change themselves then how can you expect some overnight change from people who would not have any idea where US exist on map,who just know that *christians and jews* are our enemy.Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds.
There are uneducated people in every society. The difference is that in our, they don't blow people up!
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kgaddy wrote:
Now I am asking a diffent opinion. Why do so many muliums believe in violence and why don't musliums like you stop them.
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
kgaddy wrote:
why don't musliums like you stop them.
did someone make Ann coutler's mouth shut as yet? Its not about likness or dislikness at all.Its all about education which they dont get properly.Similar people exist in your society as well who were brainwashed *hint* about people of other culture and beliefs.When western peole who have more eduction and resources couldnt change themselves then how can you expect some overnight change from people who would not have any idea where US exist on map,who just know that *christians and jews* are our enemy.Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds. its my dinner and then sleeping time so bye
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
When have we been violent?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds.
Yes, that can happen, but Educated Jews and Christains do not let them commit violent acts. And if they do commit violent acts, when put them in jail. Musliums do not do this in general. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 14:47 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
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kgaddy wrote:
Hey wait a minute, Musliums only beat their wives lightly.
Oh really?for sake of argument I gets agreed then even if i compare with your book verses then its nothing.Dont believe it?read here[^] and before you go to say OT is not accepted then let me quote what jesus said in bible. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)" now dont bug me and others and keep asking your preists about verses.I know many authentic christians who never claimed that OT was rejected by Jesus or by christians and thanks for vote 1.0 in advance.:rolleyes: p.s:to the sensible christians,dont take my posting as an insult to christianity.I know many things re picked out of context and i would have done similar,but sometimes its necessary to use same language to fix arseholes like kgaddy.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Oh really?for sake of argument I gets agreed then even if i compare with your book verses then its nothing.Dont believe it?read here[^] and before you go to say OT is not accepted then let me quote what jesus said in bible. Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law (the Old Testament) or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. I tell you the truth, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke or a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law (the Old Testament) until everything is accomplished. (Matthew 5:17-18)"
Bits and pieces of the "evilbible" page are parts of the Law. The entire Old Testament is not the Law. The Law was what was given by Moses before the Israelites entered the promised land. Leviticus, and Deuteronomy mainly. Also, the Law was given to Israelites ONLY, not to Gentiles, so Gentiles (non-Israelites) are not under the law and never were.
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Naa - it is because they aren't used to football actually beeing played using the feets. It must be hard for them to not pick up the ball with their *hands* while playing *foot*ball :o --------------------------- 127.0.0.1 - Sweet 127.0.0.1
Naah, the actual problem is: soccer doesn't have the 2 minute break every 30 seconds ;)
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
I think the main reason America lost by 3-0 is that it would have players like stan,espair and kgaddy.*nuff said*
Suicide bombers: Pro or con?
3-0 isn't the end of the world, no reason to go suicidal. C'mon, life is beautiful with all the butterflies and things ;)
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Fuck,seems jesus forgot to take away your sins:rolleyes: BTW do you believe jesus really take away sins of all people of the world?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
BTW do you believe jesus really take away sins of all people of the world?
Mark 2:1-12[^] Acts 2:36-39[^]
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Naah, the actual problem is: soccer doesn't have the 2 minute break every 30 seconds ;)
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Naah, the actual problem is: soccer doesn't have the 2 minute break every 30 seconds
They do that in rugby? Regards, Nish
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Can you say homophobe? ;P "He who only hopes is forced to spend his life in the dark"
Homophobe has too many syllables for espeir.
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Homophobe has too many syllables for espeir.
Ðavid Wulff Die Freiheit spielt auf allen Geigen (video)
"If some individuals commit an act that is contrary to what their religion tells them to do, then the religion isn't violent... the individuals are." - espeir.I admit that I am a syllablephobe.
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peterchen wrote:
Naah, the actual problem is: soccer doesn't have the 2 minute break every 30 seconds
They do that in rugby? Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)no, rugby is that american football withot the full body armor or breaks. :)
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no, rugby is that american football withot the full body armor or breaks. :)
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No this is not written at all.Tell me the truth.Do you really believe that crap that jesus take away sins of those who didnt even exist on his time?
espeir wrote:
Do you believe that suicide bombers are rewarded for their deeds in heaven?
will you believe whatever i would tell you?:rolleyes:
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
No this is not written at all.Tell me the truth.Do you really believe that crap that jesus take away sins of those who didnt even exist on his time?
Jesus died but was raised by God to live again and is now still living. Therefore, he can still forgive sins.
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Uh, sure. :~ Are we still talking about that children's game involving an inflated black-and-white bladder? :rolleyes:
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Shog9 wrote:
Are we still talking about that children's game involving an inflated black-and-white bladder?
LMAO! Jeremy Falcon
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You're still not being clear. You're merely quoting contradictory parts of the Quran and you're not stating your view on it. You stated prior to this that you don't believe suicide bombers are rewarded for their suicide, but this passage seems to indicate that perhaps they are rewarded for their slaughter of infidels (not being familiar with the Quran, I'm taking your word that these are passages):
"Whoever kills a soul, unless for a soul, or for corruption done in the land- it is as if he had slain mankind entirely. And whoever saves one, it is as if he had saved mankind entirely"So basically the passage you quote might justify suicide bombing in your eyes as there is "corruption done in the land" and it is therefore righteous (or perhaps only acceptable) to kill a soul under that justification. But it also says:"He who kills himself with anything, Allah will torment him with that in the fire of Hell"That contradicts the first as killing onself "for corruption done in the land" is considered righteous (or merely acceptable) per the first passage, but here you are condemned for suicide regardless of the reason.Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Many times sucide attacks were taken place in masjids and during prayers.So if they are muslims then why are they attacking mosques why not chruches?
So then are you suggesting that it's good to kill non-Muslims in suicide bombings, but it's not OK to kill Muslims, so you condemn some suicide bombers (who kill Muslims) and praise others (who kill non-Muslims)? Am I correct in that?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
BTW:i referred following site[^].You may read further if you are still unclear.
That sight doesn't have much information, but it does suggest that you agree with my inquiries above. This sight seems to say that suicide bombings are justified as long as done in accordance with other religious rules. Is this correct?
espeir wrote:
You're still not being clear.
maybe i am not clear to you because you are expecting me to accept that sucide bombing is part of religion.if you want me to agree that then i won't.why did i say that,i quote your words below:
espeir wrote:
but this passage seems to indicate that perhaps they are rewarded for their slaughter of infidels
as you said yourself.
espeir wrote:
not being familiar with the Quran
then how could you interpret the verse and could say things like "seems" or "might"
espeir wrote:
not being familiar with the Quran, I'm taking your word that these are passages
then take it,these verse has nothing to do promotings cide bombing.One could interpret it anyway,like i found many verses in bible which promotes violence but i see that because i read them out of context while in reality a serious bible reader would interpret it properly.
espeir wrote:
or for corruption done in the land-
what do you do with thiefs and robbers and corrupt people in your society.Does bible encourage roberry,raping and have no punishment for that.people are hang for their crimes(that is killed),so that also reflects giving punishment to those who are involved in severe crimes(i cant be more elaborative than that coz i am not scholar but any other non-quran follower will understand it.If he really wants to)
espeir wrote:
So basically the passage you quote might justify suicide bombing in your eyes as there is "corruption done in the land" and it is therefore righteous (or perhaps only acceptable) to kill a soul under that justification.
your utter desire to associate islam with killings but since you admit yourself you dont know quran then you are ignored:>
espeir wrote:
So then are you suggesting that it's good to kill non-Muslims in suicide bombings, but it's not OK to kill Muslims?
i dont think so you would so dumb.There is nothing between lines.If as you said islam promotes killing people then why those bomber kills muslims?they shouldnt kill people while praying.Offcourse if some christian install a bomb in a church then he would not be doing anything in fa
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
When have we been violent?
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds.
Yes, that can happen, but Educated Jews and Christains do not let them commit violent acts. And if they do commit violent acts, when put them in jail. Musliums do not do this in general. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 14:47 Tuesday 13th June, 2006
kgaddy wrote:
When have we been violent?
you always dont need to pick up some weapon to promote violence.Your action actually matters and if you are asking where you didnt condemn killing of muslims(your enemies) then my recent post about killing of muslims in gaza where kids were killed on beach.Instead of condeming it you tried to justify that killing by comming up with a lame statment that muslims wud have attacked first to israelis while that nothing had happened. This is just one instance,i didnt bother to make search of soapbox database to comeup with more instances.Words re more powerful that any other weapon.
kgaddy wrote:
Yes, that can happen, but Educated Jews and Christains do not let them commit violent acts. And if they do commit violent acts, when put them in jail.
in reality that doesnt happen you can claim anyway that christians that there are no extreemist in christianity.You ,stan or espair are one of them.Stan often preach to nuke muslim states.Why educated chirstians put such people in jail or why dont you stop him?When this is not easy for you then why do you demand for others.
kgaddy wrote:
Musliums do not do this in general
Thats you\r theory which is far from reality.If that was the case then pakistan wouldnt have given so many muslims naughty kids to US.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Not at all!! its like I start beliving that every christian on earth is violent because i have dealt with you,stan and espeir and have read statments by anncoutler.
Actually neither I nor Ann Coulter have ever committed any violence (I can't speak for Stan). You, however, continue to avoid directly answering whether you support suicide bombers.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
did someone make Ann coutler's mouth shut as yet?
So you're comparing a petite blonde lady's right to free speech to slaughtering thousands of people now? I know that they don't know how to treat a lady in the middle east, but come on!
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Its not about likness or dislikness at all.Its all about education which they dont get properly.Similar people exist in your society as well who were brainwashed *hint* about people of other culture and beliefs.When western peole who have more eduction and resources couldnt change themselves then how can you expect some overnight change from people who would not have any idea where US exist on map,who just know that *christians and jews* are our enemy.Similar teachings are given by many fundamentalist rabbis and priests and such leaders are really capable to play with other minds.
There are uneducated people in every society. The difference is that in our, they don't blow people up!
espeir wrote:
Actually neither I nor Ann Coulter have ever committed any violence
so i have commited violence which you often keeps saying in your troll.you promote and support killing of non-bible followers like Ann.Do you deny tht?
espeir wrote:
So you're comparing a petite blonde lady's right to free speech to slaughtering thousands of people now?
its just she didnt get any opportunity otherwise shes more dangerous than any other.Intention matters most tha action.
espeir wrote:
know that they don't know how to treat a lady in the middle east, but come on!
For you muslims and islam means middle east what an ignorant.Its similar to claim every beard man is Osama.
espeir wrote:
There are uneducated people in every society. The difference is that in our, they don't blow people up!
Boy you really need to comeup with solid refutes that christians have not killed muslims.let me give you a hint.Bosnia massacre.Bush invasion and killing in iraq and afghanistan. Stop living in 2th century and beliving like ancient christian that christianity is the only heavenly religion on earth.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
BTW do you believe jesus really take away sins of all people of the world?
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