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my friend the truth you see thru the eyes of western media is very different than the orignal truth.
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
No, i am not a fan of you.
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:laugh::laugh: I wish to make it my Sig.Even if it was written for me then i still was going to enjoy it.Good poetry:D
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
my friend
I can not believe you. If tomorrow you people announce Jehad, you may kill me .
YAT. Espeir is this you?? Oh Fisticuffs, I Need Your Approval For I Am Misguided Without Your Awesome Insight Please Validate My Existence With You're Internet Powers By Pumpkinhead, Age 15 or something
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
based upon what you perceive God to
Ah, see, there is the whole point. I'm betting everything, my whole life, on the idea that God is what Jesus showed us: pure love. Love God, love others, the 2 commandments on which all of Jewish and Christian Scripture hang. Sure, you can choose to believe your own way; my way is as flawed as yours, sure. Each person bets his life to his beliefs and lives accordingly. I'm betting mine on God, the one and only, that says love is the key. :cool:
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Betting on what? It's not a matter of betting that allows you to reach heaven, but whether you're compassionate (enough) to your fellow human beings. And I say enough because even too much love is a bad thing because it does not allow people to grow. Mothers birds push their children from the nest so that they may fly for the first time. On that rare occasion, the bird-ling dies and the mother is grieved. Human beings do stupid things out of love too, and also out of ignorance and other human (or finite, living entities if you will) qualtities. It doesn't mean that God will punish us for it. For us to be perfect, God would have had to make us so. God could have created a memory of Him/Herself embedded in us upon our birth. Then there would be no way of us denying His/Her existance. It could have been as normal to us as seeing or thinking. But that would have been pointless, obviously he didn't so that we may grow. With growth, there comes anger, pain, suffering and death. All negative feelings that create negative impact. Love thy neighbor is a great quality, but is not the be all and end all of God or a reason to make it a religion. For all we know, God is a scientist that wanted to see what we could accomplish with our lives. Maybe that's why S/He made the universe so huge to see if we could ever traverse it. For all we know, S/He's judging us based on our accomplishments as a race and not as individuals. In that case, we're failing His/Her test by wsting time fighting and wondering how we all feel towards each other. Again, this is all hearsay, but I've found religion to be a restraining factor when it comes to human accomplishments. That does not mean I don't have faith. My faith in God is absolute. It is the force that drives me to be my best and convinces me not to interfere in other people's beliefs or to preach to them about it.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
People like stan,espeir and kagaddy will always be ready to increase gap between two faiths no matter whatever you do.
Speaking for myself, this is not true. Before 911, I didn't know or care anything about Islam. I really don't care what you people do. You could worship bullfrogs for all I care. But when you start flying planes into buildings and yelling "god is great" I, and many others took notice of your religion. So, I fyou want to stop the divide between the religions, try and get you fellow musliums that do believe in killing to stop. When this happens I would have no problem with islam. There are some muslims who are against terrorists, they fight in the US army and Iraqi armies (and I'm sure there are others), so I know there are some. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Judah, Your a better person than I am. I hear what you say and I know in my heart you are right. Some questions?
Judah Himango wrote:
the whole point of all of it, boils down to 2 things: love God, and love other people.
What if the other people do not love you back, and worse, want to kill you?
Judah Himango wrote:
but at least the disagreeing can be done with respect and without backstabbing and hatred;
I agree, and I pray for this. But when only one party is respectful, and the other ones want to kill you, what then? I hope someday that Christians, Jews and Muslims can live together and respect one another. But it seems a long way off. Only one group is doing 99% of the head chopping, and terrorism. What do we do until then? Good luck to your brother and I hope he stays safe. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
kgaddy wrote:
But when only one party is respectful, and the other ones want to kill you, what then?
You turn the other cheek. ie, you dont defend yourself, or your family, you just accept your and their deaths. Fuck that. Anyone comes near my daughter I'll rip their fucking head off.
kgaddy wrote:
Your a better person than I am
No, he is just a weak scared person who needs to hand over responsibility for his life to a god. Nunc est bibendum -- modified at 9:20 Thursday 15th June, 2006
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kgaddy wrote:
There are some muslims who are against terrorists, they fight in the US army and Iraqi armie
Ha ha ha, didnt take long for the Iraqis to become the good guys did it! Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
didnt take long for the Iraqis to become the good guys did it!
Nope, not after we trained them, and they are now fighting terrorist! Thant is due to the great commitment of the US and British troops. So, yea, it doesn't take long when the best are doing the training. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 9:45 Thursday 15th June, 2006
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The Jews wanted Jesus to lead a revolt and topple the Roman Empire at that time. He told them again and again they've got the wrong idea. The Christians bear persecution under Nero and did not ever conspired to retaliate back (ok, I recalled vaguely a story on a Christian group defending a place and got all killed by Romans but that's not actively attacking). None of the Christians under the New Testament ever taught us to retaliate and kill our enemies. I have to agree with Judah, Jason, and Fisticuffs that the TRUE teaching of Christianity is to love even your enemies. Hey, nobody ever said being a Christian is easy. Maybe some people just want to have all the good things but not the cross itself that they have to carry. "Democracy is two wolves and a sheep voting on what to have for dinner" - Ross Edbert Sydney, Australia
Edbert P wrote:
eaching of Christianity is to love even your enemies. Hey, nobody ever said being a Christian is easy.
Especially if you are dead My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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fat_boy wrote:
didnt take long for the Iraqis to become the good guys did it!
Nope, not after we trained them, and they are now fighting terrorist! Thant is due to the great commitment of the US and British troops. So, yea, it doesn't take long when the best are doing the training. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 9:45 Thursday 15th June, 2006
ha ha, some of the Iraqi security forces are terrorists! A lot of people from the old army and police force have signed up with the new security forces. And these were the people that carried out Sadams beatings and killings. You wait till you leave Iraq, you will see them behaving just like they used to do. Nunc est bibendum
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Until the 1980s, attempts to mobilize Muslims all over the world for a jihad in one area of the world (Palestine, Kashmir) were unsuccessful. The Soviet invasion of Afghanistan was a watershed event, as it revived the concept of participation in jihad to evict an “infidel” occupier from a Muslim country as a “personal duty” (fard ’ein) for every capable Muslim.[^]
What about the Barbary Pirates 200 years ago? J+Kidnapping slaves and demanding ransom. THe reason given? Allah wills it against the infidels. Read what Jefferson did about that situation. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking" -- modified at 11:03 Thursday 15th June, 2006
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kgaddy wrote:
But this does not give the 2 groups the right to kill each other.
agreed but is it followed by your own people before you raise finger on others?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
agreed but is it followed by your own people before you raise finger on others?
I'm not sure I understand what you are asking. Are you asking who started it? Are you asking if I will condem my own people if they murder innocent muslims? The answer is yes, that is not right. But I will not condem soldiers who fire at the enemy, who hide behind children, and accidently kill a civilian. You see, the terrorist TARGET women and children, the allied forces target the TERRORIST nad unfortuanatly,by accident, may kill civilians. This is somthing they did not want. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
No, i am not a fan of you.
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Fisticuffs wrote:
Oh Fisticuffs, I Need Your Approval For I Am Misguided Without Your Awesome Insight Please Validate My Existence With You're Internet Powers By Pumpkinhead, Age 15 or something
I did not write that you dumbass. Stand rigid for the next battle Peace means reloading your guns The love for life is all hatred in disguise - Dimmu Borgir
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Judah Himango wrote:
If some of the paths -- ways of living your life -- be that religion or just plain ethics, lead to an evil way of live, a way of life that is not God-honoring, then we can't say that all ways are acceptable.
This seems to be saying that unless people accept your god in your way they aren't leading acceptable lives.
Judah Himango wrote:
Those who just do whatever's right in their own eyes live a life free to do whatever they please.
Actually, in civilized society they don't. There are laws that exist. However, those laws have to be common sense and not religion based if you expect diverse peoples to accept them. Maybe when you were conducting your hedonistic experiment, you were too young to exercise common sense?
Judah Himango wrote:
I don't buy the nonsense that everyone's way to God is alright, but at least the disagreeing can be done with respect and without backstabbing and hatred; we should leave leave those things to the lawless, godless folks.
There you go again equating godless to lawless and seem to be saying to be a good person we'd better come around to your way of thinking. To me, that's pretty insulting. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance. -- modified at 20:51 Wednesday 14th June, 2006
Tim Craig wrote:
This seems to be saying that unless people accept your god in your way they aren't leading acceptable lives.
That exactly what he is saying. And to him that is the truth. Do you demand he accept you and you life? Why do people think everyone should accept them? As long as he does nothing harmful to you, he is entitled to his opinion. It a little thing we call freedom.
Tim Craig wrote:
There you go again equating godless to lawless and seem to be saying to be a good person we'd better come around to your way of thinking. To me, that's pretty insulting.
That is not what he is saying. I think, and I may be wrong, he his saying is this: God is the root of moral law. If you do not belive in God, the only reason you follow the laws of the land is fear, of jail time death, whatever. If you believe in God, you follow the laws becase you want to. It makes you feel good pleasing and doing God's will. There is a diffrence. The Godless man man cut corners. In his mind he is following the letter of the law. But a man of God will think of the morality of his actions. I'm sure there are exceptions to this. But if you think about it, it a very logical way of thinking. Don't be insulted so easy, there are a lot of people in the world who may disagree with you. Again, free thought. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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Betting on what? It's not a matter of betting that allows you to reach heaven, but whether you're compassionate (enough) to your fellow human beings. And I say enough because even too much love is a bad thing because it does not allow people to grow. Mothers birds push their children from the nest so that they may fly for the first time. On that rare occasion, the bird-ling dies and the mother is grieved. Human beings do stupid things out of love too, and also out of ignorance and other human (or finite, living entities if you will) qualtities. It doesn't mean that God will punish us for it. For us to be perfect, God would have had to make us so. God could have created a memory of Him/Herself embedded in us upon our birth. Then there would be no way of us denying His/Her existance. It could have been as normal to us as seeing or thinking. But that would have been pointless, obviously he didn't so that we may grow. With growth, there comes anger, pain, suffering and death. All negative feelings that create negative impact. Love thy neighbor is a great quality, but is not the be all and end all of God or a reason to make it a religion. For all we know, God is a scientist that wanted to see what we could accomplish with our lives. Maybe that's why S/He made the universe so huge to see if we could ever traverse it. For all we know, S/He's judging us based on our accomplishments as a race and not as individuals. In that case, we're failing His/Her test by wsting time fighting and wondering how we all feel towards each other. Again, this is all hearsay, but I've found religion to be a restraining factor when it comes to human accomplishments. That does not mean I don't have faith. My faith in God is absolute. It is the force that drives me to be my best and convinces me not to interfere in other people's beliefs or to preach to them about it.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Betting on what? It's not a matter of betting that allows you to reach heaven
Absolutely. But putting complete trust and faith in truth is the right thing to do. The difference between us is that we disagree what is truth. My 'bet' is just a metaphore; a way of saying that I'm putting my trust and faith in this Messiah guy because what he espouses is the best way to live a Godly life as far as I know how. I lived the other way and nearly ruined my life with that way. So now I'm convinced by my own living that this God of love is truth, is reality. By the way, a bird pushing its baby out of a nest is an act of love. Just as a parent disciplining a child. Both acts may seem like loveless acts, but the motive is certainly love in both cases.
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Judah Himango wrote:
Instead, a personal relationship with God must be the focus, ritualism aside.
Which is a relitavely modern interpretation of Christianity too. Though you may argue its closer to the original form.
Judah Himango wrote:
love God, and love others.
I can deal with the second. Those two were the package that Tom Paine and other deists distilled out of the bible, they are ceratinly axiomatic but I am unable to consider them divine. Ryan
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
Which is a relitavely modern interpretation of Christianity too. Though you may argue its closer to the original form.
This personal relationship with God is something I've discovered, personally, to be far more alive and free, setting you for a clean life, than ritualism. Personal opinion based on past experience. :)
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Judah Himango wrote:
If God-law boils down to loving other people, I'm not so sure we'd get along just fine without it.
I don't need to love other people to get along with them. All it takes is some mutual respect. I don't even have to like them to get along with them. The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
That may be so, but a world without love is a loveless world, which is something we could not get along in. I don't think children could mature right if there was no love for them by their parents, for instance.
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ha ha, some of the Iraqi security forces are terrorists! A lot of people from the old army and police force have signed up with the new security forces. And these were the people that carried out Sadams beatings and killings. You wait till you leave Iraq, you will see them behaving just like they used to do. Nunc est bibendum
fat_boy wrote:
A lot of people from the old army and police force have signed up with the new security forces.
Yes there are always some bad apples.
fat_boy wrote:
A lot of people from the old army and police force have signed up with the new security forces.
Yea, and some are doing a good job!
fat_boy wrote:
And these were the people that carried out Sadams beatings and killings.
Not all.
fat_boy wrote:
You wait till you leave Iraq, you will see them behaving just like they used to do.
I hope not. And I hope you want peace there as well. My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"
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No, because Jesus respected the Law, He accepted that what was written as coming from Moses, was true and accurate. As far as I can see, you claim to believe Jesus, but you reject the New Testament ( or at a minimum, parts of it, I'm not trying to pick a fight OK ? ), and so I wonder if you have any alternative from which you claim to have Jesus' words, untampered with.
Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
Gabriel!Same Celebrity which came to Mary as well to give happy tidings about Jesus(AS)
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Christian Graus wrote:
Jesus respected the Law,
Yes he did and by law you mean OT?am I right?
Christian Graus wrote:
what was written as coming from Moses, was true and accurate.
ignore my lack of knowledge,if that is the case then why you say that OT is irrelevent for you.So many times when i referred OT ,you plainly rejected it by saying that its irrelevent.Contradictry statment of yours,isnt it?
Christian Graus wrote:
but you reject the New Testament ( or at a minimum, parts of it, I'm not trying to pick a fight OK ? ),
no you aint fighting and despite of difference I dont equate you with some christian extreemist. coming to your question.Well i am not scholar so my words might be misleading to you.What i meant to say that We as muslims are asked to accept the orignal torah and jesus' teachings which were in ancient languages not the modern bible like KJV etc which got introduced by Paul(i am correct?).I never said that we reject Torah and Bible completely,did i ever sound like that?if yes then might be my mistake tht i couldnt b elaborative or you misinterpeted me. there are occasions when muslims of that time went to jews and christians oldies of tht time for the confirmation of the events which were taken place before their own birth.I exactly dont know what were they but i think these would be about Noah,Joesph etc or some other civilzation who used to be there in ancient times.There isa verse in quran which i dont know exactly which orders us to accept things of torah or jesus teaching which wrre considered untemper by followers of christ and moses.I dont memorize those one of them was Trinity for sure because we believe tht God is one and He doesnt need any son at all.
Christian Graus wrote:
Gabriel comes to you and tells you what Jesus really said ? If not, what did you mean by this ?
To Muhammad(SAW).Gabriel(AS) had been coming since advent of Adam on earth and stopped comming after death of Muhammad(SAW).Tht is my belief Oh Fisticuffs, I Need Your Approval For I Am Misguided Without Your Awesome Insight Please Validate My Existence With You're Internet Powers By Pumpkinhead, Age 15 or something
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Betting on what? It's not a matter of betting that allows you to reach heaven
Absolutely. But putting complete trust and faith in truth is the right thing to do. The difference between us is that we disagree what is truth. My 'bet' is just a metaphore; a way of saying that I'm putting my trust and faith in this Messiah guy because what he espouses is the best way to live a Godly life as far as I know how. I lived the other way and nearly ruined my life with that way. So now I'm convinced by my own living that this God of love is truth, is reality. By the way, a bird pushing its baby out of a nest is an act of love. Just as a parent disciplining a child. Both acts may seem like loveless acts, but the motive is certainly love in both cases.
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Judah Himango wrote:
By the way, a bird pushing its baby out of a nest is an act of love. Just as a parent disciplining a child. Both acts may seem like loveless acts, but the motive is certainly love in both cases.
True, but when we condemn someone for something we think is wrong, we truely have no idea how or why that person acted in the way that he did. That is why I believe religion is a passing phase and laws should take over. There are plenty of people who live their life the way you did and changed for the better, with or without religion and or other influences. In the end, it is your choice to make. I just think it's funny how religious people are always trying to convince others of their religion. It's as if they need assurance in numbers. Like I said before, I am an absolute believer in God. But I prefer athiests to religiious people because I don't like to preach or be preached to.
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Judah Himango wrote:
By the way, a bird pushing its baby out of a nest is an act of love. Just as a parent disciplining a child. Both acts may seem like loveless acts, but the motive is certainly love in both cases.
True, but when we condemn someone for something we think is wrong, we truely have no idea how or why that person acted in the way that he did. That is why I believe religion is a passing phase and laws should take over. There are plenty of people who live their life the way you did and changed for the better, with or without religion and or other influences. In the end, it is your choice to make. I just think it's funny how religious people are always trying to convince others of their religion. It's as if they need assurance in numbers. Like I said before, I am an absolute believer in God. But I prefer athiests to religiious people because I don't like to preach or be preached to.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
when we condemn someone for something we think is wrong
I agree, and hope I haven't been guilty of condemning anyone in this thread. People can make changes for the better without God, sure. But living without God tends to lead to a godless life, and a godless life tends to degenerate into doing whatever you see fit. That is my opinion based on past experience. :)
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