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    Hiding the process from Task Manager sounds like Spyware to me.

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    Dan Neely
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    There's a difference?

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      Hi. I am developing a DRM software, and I need to hide my application from the Windows Task Manager application list. How can I do that? I think it involves "NtQuerySystemInformation" but I am not sure. I would appreciate any help. Thanks! SUMMARY * Need to hide application from Windows Proccess List * Probably uses some rare windows function Thanks!:-D code -> MakeBest(forever);

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      Dave Kreskowiak
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      Basically, you can't hide from the Task Manager. As for DRM, I'm with everyone else. It's an idea that looks great on paper in the Corporate Boardroom, but in all usability and actual security, it sucks. Take a look at Sony's attempt at DRM and tell me that it won't come back to smack you in the face... Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic -- modified at 14:58 Monday 26th June, 2006

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      • C CodeLeon

        Hi. I am developing a DRM software, and I need to hide my application from the Windows Task Manager application list. How can I do that? I think it involves "NtQuerySystemInformation" but I am not sure. I would appreciate any help. Thanks! SUMMARY * Need to hide application from Windows Proccess List * Probably uses some rare windows function Thanks!:-D code -> MakeBest(forever);

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        Jun Du
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        Sounds suspecious; we can't help :laugh: Best, Jun

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        • C CodeLeon

          Hi. I am developing a DRM software, and I need to hide my application from the Windows Task Manager application list. How can I do that? I think it involves "NtQuerySystemInformation" but I am not sure. I would appreciate any help. Thanks! SUMMARY * Need to hide application from Windows Proccess List * Probably uses some rare windows function Thanks!:-D code -> MakeBest(forever);

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          Michael Dunn
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          Google for "sony rootkit" and you'll see why that is a horrible idea.

          --Mike-- Visual C++ MVP :cool: LINKS~! Ericahist | PimpFish | CP SearchBar v3.0 | C++ Forum FAQ VB > soccer

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          • C CodeLeon

            Hi. I am developing a DRM software, and I need to hide my application from the Windows Task Manager application list. How can I do that? I think it involves "NtQuerySystemInformation" but I am not sure. I would appreciate any help. Thanks! SUMMARY * Need to hide application from Windows Proccess List * Probably uses some rare windows function Thanks!:-D code -> MakeBest(forever);

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            Nader Elshehabi
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            Hello all. With all respect to the fine programmers who replied to this post -who are by far much better programmers than me-, with all respect to them I don't think we have the right to judge anyones intentions when answering questions on the forum, do you? Programs like security, administrative, or networks software might need such a feature. I don't know what is a "DRM software" -I told you I'm a lousy programmer ;)-, yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique. Using it rightfully is his problem, not ours. Anyway, that's my opinion -Again I pay respect to all who disagree-. So here is a link that might help: http://www.codeproject.com/system/preventclose.asp[^] Finally I believe that if we didn't learn how virii work, we wouldn't be able to stop them... Right?

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            • N Nader Elshehabi

              Hello all. With all respect to the fine programmers who replied to this post -who are by far much better programmers than me-, with all respect to them I don't think we have the right to judge anyones intentions when answering questions on the forum, do you? Programs like security, administrative, or networks software might need such a feature. I don't know what is a "DRM software" -I told you I'm a lousy programmer ;)-, yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique. Using it rightfully is his problem, not ours. Anyway, that's my opinion -Again I pay respect to all who disagree-. So here is a link that might help: http://www.codeproject.com/system/preventclose.asp[^] Finally I believe that if we didn't learn how virii work, we wouldn't be able to stop them... Right?

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              CodeLeon
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              Thanks for support, man. 'Appreciate. code -> MakeBest(forever);

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              • N Not Active

                Hiding the process from Task Manager sounds like Spyware to me.

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                CodeLeon
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                Be nice. Tons of the friendly software on your computer uses undetectable programs. If you can't help, why post? code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                • N Nader Elshehabi

                  Hello all. With all respect to the fine programmers who replied to this post -who are by far much better programmers than me-, with all respect to them I don't think we have the right to judge anyones intentions when answering questions on the forum, do you? Programs like security, administrative, or networks software might need such a feature. I don't know what is a "DRM software" -I told you I'm a lousy programmer ;)-, yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique. Using it rightfully is his problem, not ours. Anyway, that's my opinion -Again I pay respect to all who disagree-. So here is a link that might help: http://www.codeproject.com/system/preventclose.asp[^] Finally I believe that if we didn't learn how virii work, we wouldn't be able to stop them... Right?

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                  BoneSoft
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                  True to some extent, until you've had to jump through the hoops required to recover from something like SpySherif... Then all your bile and distain will fly while foaming at the mouth at any mere mention of "how do I hijack poor unsuspecting users machine?" Nothing personal CodeLeon, you may have noblest of intensions, I don't dare guess your motivation. But luckily for me, I don't know the answer to withold from you and can skurt my moral delima, so take my rantings with a grain of salt.


                  Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                  • C CodeLeon

                    Be nice. Tons of the friendly software on your computer uses undetectable programs. If you can't help, why post? code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                    BoneSoft
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                    Not much that I can think of that doesn't have "Microsoft Corporation" in the company field...


                    Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                    • B BoneSoft

                      True to some extent, until you've had to jump through the hoops required to recover from something like SpySherif... Then all your bile and distain will fly while foaming at the mouth at any mere mention of "how do I hijack poor unsuspecting users machine?" Nothing personal CodeLeon, you may have noblest of intensions, I don't dare guess your motivation. But luckily for me, I don't know the answer to withold from you and can skurt my moral delima, so take my rantings with a grain of salt.


                      Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                      CodeLeon
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                      If your curious, my intentions were to stop the copying of files from one folder to another like Microsoft Documents Rights thing. I thought this would be useful. code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                      • B BoneSoft

                        Not much that I can think of that doesn't have "Microsoft Corporation" in the company field...


                        Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                        CodeLeon
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                        Microsoft's not all that bad... I use Microsoft Office (esp Outlook), WIndows, Windows MP, MSN Messenger, Encarta, Visual Studio, and Wireless Laser Desktop 6000. I really like some of their products. code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                        • C CodeLeon

                          If your curious, my intentions were to stop the copying of files from one folder to another like Microsoft Documents Rights thing. I thought this would be useful. code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                          Mike Poz
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                          CodeLeon wrote:

                          my intentions were to stop the copying of files from one folder to another like Microsoft Documents Rights thing.

                          Instead of hiding the process from task manager (which is a "bad thing" from the normal user perspective), this kind of application should run as a system service and the user account set to.. well.. user, instead of Admin because regular users can't disable services. Personally I'd run away from hiding processes, it just opens you up to too many possible legal issues. Mike Poz

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                            Hello all. With all respect to the fine programmers who replied to this post -who are by far much better programmers than me-, with all respect to them I don't think we have the right to judge anyones intentions when answering questions on the forum, do you? Programs like security, administrative, or networks software might need such a feature. I don't know what is a "DRM software" -I told you I'm a lousy programmer ;)-, yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique. Using it rightfully is his problem, not ours. Anyway, that's my opinion -Again I pay respect to all who disagree-. So here is a link that might help: http://www.codeproject.com/system/preventclose.asp[^] Finally I believe that if we didn't learn how virii work, we wouldn't be able to stop them... Right?

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                            Jun Du
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                            I was just kidding. Best, Jun

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                              CodeLeon wrote:

                              my intentions were to stop the copying of files from one folder to another like Microsoft Documents Rights thing.

                              Instead of hiding the process from task manager (which is a "bad thing" from the normal user perspective), this kind of application should run as a system service and the user account set to.. well.. user, instead of Admin because regular users can't disable services. Personally I'd run away from hiding processes, it just opens you up to too many possible legal issues. Mike Poz

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                              CodeLeon
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                              Thanx! Good idea! How do i make my application a system service and do like you said? does cp have an article on this? code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                              • C CodeLeon

                                Thanx! Good idea! How do i make my application a system service and do like you said? does cp have an article on this? code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                                BoneSoft
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                                Plenty, in fact Studio has a Windows Service project template. I don't have one off hand, but you should have no trouble searching for some.


                                Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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                                • N Nader Elshehabi

                                  Hello all. With all respect to the fine programmers who replied to this post -who are by far much better programmers than me-, with all respect to them I don't think we have the right to judge anyones intentions when answering questions on the forum, do you? Programs like security, administrative, or networks software might need such a feature. I don't know what is a "DRM software" -I told you I'm a lousy programmer ;)-, yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique. Using it rightfully is his problem, not ours. Anyway, that's my opinion -Again I pay respect to all who disagree-. So here is a link that might help: http://www.codeproject.com/system/preventclose.asp[^] Finally I believe that if we didn't learn how virii work, we wouldn't be able to stop them... Right?

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                                  Dave Kreskowiak
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                                  Nader Elshehabi wrote:

                                  yet I belive CodeLeon has the right to know the technique

                                  If he can figure out how to get Digital Rights Management to work, he can write up an article and tell the rest of the industry how to do it. To date, noone has been able to get a DRM working with any reliability. So, to date, there is no technique to really tell him about! There's plenty of examples on how NOT to do it though! Dave Kreskowiak Microsoft MVP - Visual Basic

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                                    Microsoft's not all that bad... I use Microsoft Office (esp Outlook), WIndows, Windows MP, MSN Messenger, Encarta, Visual Studio, and Wireless Laser Desktop 6000. I really like some of their products. code -> MakeBest(forever);

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                                    BoneSoft
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                                    You missed my point. What I meant was that Microsoft has the vast majority of credible hidden applications running on Windows that I'm aware of. I'm not a Microsoft hater.


                                    Try code model generation tools at BoneSoft.com.

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