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    http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

      Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences?

      My son just returned from a two week tour of Europe and England, he reported no abuse of any kind, but was traveling with a large group of other Americans, so didn't have the chance to interact with any of the locals on a one-on-one basis.

      Richard A. Abbott wrote:

      And what should American Policymakers do about it?

      I don't know. More bombs? "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences?

        My son just returned from a two week tour of Europe and England, he reported no abuse of any kind, but was traveling with a large group of other Americans, so didn't have the chance to interact with any of the locals on a one-on-one basis.

        Richard A. Abbott wrote:

        And what should American Policymakers do about it?

        I don't know. More bombs? "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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        Richard A. Abbott wrote: And what should American Policymakers do about it? Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know. More bombs? if America did that there will be a day these bombs will get back to it somehow you surprise me with this amount of arrogance,was Hitler American? La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah

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          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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          Ms Cox, 29, says she has been called, among other things, "terrorist", "scum", "low life", and feels that she is constantly being held to account for the actions of President Bush and for US foreign policy. Altering one[^] of stan's post: The simple point remains that if a billion muslims majority of Americans refused to tolerate Neocons' terrorism on the level it currently exists amoung Islamic Neocons radicals, such terrorism hatred simply could not continue to exist. However she adds: "Bush is our leader and I respect that. It's a bit like the way you feel about your father. You don't always agree with him, but you would defend him." *No Comments*. BTW,How many pro Bush consider him a *daddy*?

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            Richard A. Abbott wrote: And what should American Policymakers do about it? Stan Shannon wrote: I don't know. More bombs? if America did that there will be a day these bombs will get back to it somehow you surprise me with this amount of arrogance,was Hitler American? La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah

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            DODO wrote:

            you surprise me with this amount of arrogance

            But see, thats the joke... oh, never mind... "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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              you surprise me with this amount of arrogance

              But see, thats the joke... oh, never mind... "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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              I am sorry :-O La ILah Ila allah Mohamed Rasoul Allah

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                DODO wrote:

                you surprise me with this amount of arrogance

                But see, thats the joke... oh, never mind... "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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                I would image that the lady who made that statement to the BBC probably would not take it as a joke. And I suspect she would have choice words to say to you if she could.

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                  Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                  Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences?

                  My son just returned from a two week tour of Europe and England, he reported no abuse of any kind, but was traveling with a large group of other Americans, so didn't have the chance to interact with any of the locals on a one-on-one basis.

                  Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                  And what should American Policymakers do about it?

                  I don't know. More bombs? "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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                  More Bombs!

                  "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                  "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                    I would image that the lady who made that statement to the BBC probably would not take it as a joke. And I suspect she would have choice words to say to you if she could.

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                    I suspect Stan doesn't give a rat's ass... How about it Stan? :)

                    "Why don't you tie a kerosene-soaked rag around your ankles so the ants won't climb up and eat your candy ass..." - Dale Earnhardt, 1997
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                    "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001

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                      Ms Cox, 29, says she has been called, among other things, "terrorist", "scum", "low life", and feels that she is constantly being held to account for the actions of President Bush and for US foreign policy. Altering one[^] of stan's post: The simple point remains that if a billion muslims majority of Americans refused to tolerate Neocons' terrorism on the level it currently exists amoung Islamic Neocons radicals, such terrorism hatred simply could not continue to exist. However she adds: "Bush is our leader and I respect that. It's a bit like the way you feel about your father. You don't always agree with him, but you would defend him." *No Comments*. BTW,How many pro Bush consider him a *daddy*?

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                      There you go again about Neoconservatives...When you don't even know what they are.

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                        There you go again about Neoconservatives...When you don't even know what they are.

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                        espeir wrote:

                        There you go again about NeoconservativesIslam...When you don't even know what they are.

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                          http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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                          I have been living in Switzerland (for over three years now) and I'm Canadian and I feel it. I have also experienced it in France, the Czech Republic, Italy and Turkey. One exception was Greece. It's more along the lines of anti-North Americanism. Sometimes it is mild, sometimes quite severe. Speak North American English around anybody at your own risk. I get screamed at, eyes rolled at me, long stares, impatience and downright rudeness directed at me. I have even been called a "bloody capitalist" once. :rolleyes: The best is that usually within 10 seconds of initiating a conversation I get the inevitable: "So, where are you from?". I hate it. What should be done about it? Well, I think know that Europeans have large misconceptions regarding (North) American culture. Their source of what North America is all about comes from television and the news media which, generally, do not portray the U.S. in a positive light. Most reports are biased and critical of U.S. culture, society and politics. Consequently, they adopt this view of America via osmosis. Many of my European colleagues engage me in conversations that centre on what life is like in North America. My experience is that while they have many misconceptions of it, they are interested in what it is "really like". In my opinion, the North American governments need to promote an accurate, unbiased image of what North American society is and Europeans need to stop being so critical of North America. -- modified at 8:53 Wednesday 19th July, 2006 And that crap about "Tell people you're Canadian" is total rubbish. I get just as much flack as the author of that article does. I can sympathize with her experiences.

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                            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                            Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences?

                            My son just returned from a two week tour of Europe and England, he reported no abuse of any kind, but was traveling with a large group of other Americans, so didn't have the chance to interact with any of the locals on a one-on-one basis.

                            Richard A. Abbott wrote:

                            And what should American Policymakers do about it?

                            I don't know. More bombs? "You have no concept of the depth and complexity of my beliefs." Jim A. Johnson

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                            Stan Shannon wrote:

                            My son just returned from a two week tour of Europe and England, he reported no abuse of any kind,

                            Two weeks isn't enough to feel it. Live here (Europe) for 1/2 a year and then you'll see/feel it.

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                              I have been living in Switzerland (for over three years now) and I'm Canadian and I feel it. I have also experienced it in France, the Czech Republic, Italy and Turkey. One exception was Greece. It's more along the lines of anti-North Americanism. Sometimes it is mild, sometimes quite severe. Speak North American English around anybody at your own risk. I get screamed at, eyes rolled at me, long stares, impatience and downright rudeness directed at me. I have even been called a "bloody capitalist" once. :rolleyes: The best is that usually within 10 seconds of initiating a conversation I get the inevitable: "So, where are you from?". I hate it. What should be done about it? Well, I think know that Europeans have large misconceptions regarding (North) American culture. Their source of what North America is all about comes from television and the news media which, generally, do not portray the U.S. in a positive light. Most reports are biased and critical of U.S. culture, society and politics. Consequently, they adopt this view of America via osmosis. Many of my European colleagues engage me in conversations that centre on what life is like in North America. My experience is that while they have many misconceptions of it, they are interested in what it is "really like". In my opinion, the North American governments need to promote an accurate, unbiased image of what North American society is and Europeans need to stop being so critical of North America. -- modified at 8:53 Wednesday 19th July, 2006 And that crap about "Tell people you're Canadian" is total rubbish. I get just as much flack as the author of that article does. I can sympathize with her experiences.

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                              I have even been called a "bloody capitalist" once.

                              Cool. Was this by someone from Switzerland? :laugh: Ryan

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                                There you go again about NeoconservativesIslam...When you don't even know what they are.

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                                I agree that I will never understand the madness of Islam.

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                                  http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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                                  You don't have to leave America for anti-Americanism! Just come to the Soapbox!

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                                    thealj wrote:

                                    I have even been called a "bloody capitalist" once.

                                    Cool. Was this by someone from Switzerland? :laugh: Ryan

                                    "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                                    Ryan Roberts wrote:

                                    Cool. Was this by someone from Switzerland?

                                    Sadly, yes. :laugh: I was on a train speaking to someone else and this person overheard the conversation. I suppose he could tell I was North American. He asked me where I was from and I (as always) dodged the answer. The conversation got more heated and (as he was doing to me) I began to not-so-subtley insult him. I was making a bit of an ass of him and out of frustration he called me a "bloody capitalist". I couldn't contain myself and burst out laughing in his face. He didn't find it very amusing, but neither did I, really. At least I had a laugh and a story to tell.

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                                      http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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                                      It doesn't suprise me in the least, given conversations I have overheard and taken part in. Knee Jerk lefties blame America for pretty much everything. The fact that your president if percived as an incoherant retard really doesn't help either. Personaly I can't blame you too much for voting him in though, given the competition. Ryan

                                      "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                                        http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4881474.stm[^] A US citizen living in London, wrote to the BBC news website to express her concern about the amount of abuse she receives because of her nationality. Do other Americans in other Countries have similar experiences? And what should American Policymakers do about it?

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                                        This is complete bullsh1t. No one I know or work with has or openly airs anti-American sentiment; quite the reverse, usually. They may not like President Bush and his administration or what he/they represent through their policies but they are smart enough not to confuse Bush with every other American. Besides, having lived in the States and with many American friends (and family) I can quite happily say that ordinary Americans are exactly the same as everyone else: they have the same basic needs and do the same basic things. They have families, work, pay bills and worry about crime and schools and medicine, etc, etc. The only difference is the cultural backdrop in which these activities take place. Footnote: the only people I have met that didn't like Yanks turned out never to have actually met or talked with one: they based their bias on what they saw and heard in the media. Shame. home
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                                          You don't have to leave America for anti-Americanism! Just come to the Soapbox!

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                                          Espeir, The reason I posted that question was ... Britain is arguably Americas best ally, and this lady is receiving this kind of abuse from a friendly nation, something must be really wrong. I would expect unfriendliness from a country who despise everything that America stands for, but that should not be experienced by anybody living or visiting the UK. What should America do to improve its image.

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