CG vs Marvanski - Part II [coming soon]
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I'm one of those 'only idiots would think putting guns into society does not result in people getting shot' type people. Otherwise known as 'how many school shootings have we had in Australia ?'. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: 'only idiots would think putting guns into society does not result in people getting shot' Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes, its all to easy to enter the US illegally and sneaking guns in would be no problem, just look at drug trafficking; as soon as it becomes illegal to own a gun the druglords would begin trafficking guns as well (if they don't already). I don't own a gun personally, I have no need to. I live in town and I have no fear of crime, I don't hunt nor do I recreational shoot. But I'll not stand for anything which takes away one liberty only to give a false sense of security. Don't bother bringing in statistics, for every statistic that claims one thing there is another that claims the opposite. James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway :) Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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****Colin Davies wrote: Anyone gotta crack ? All narcotic-drug-related posts must be in the VC++ forum please Nish
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Marvanski has pulled out or so it seems. The show has been cancelled. Sorry, you won't get re-funds. By the way some of you might have been billed even though the show has been called off. This is only for people who used a quote in the address field. This crashed our SQL as we didnt check for quotes. Sorry, as mentioned you won't be refunded. But next time we have a show you'll get a deduction if possible ;-) Nish
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: This is only for people who used a quote in the address field. This crashed our SQL as we didnt check for quotes. Sorry, as mentioned you won't be refunded. LOL, you know that one of the US government websites has this problem? I've even e-mailed them about it and the stupid thing isn't fixed yet. :-D Luckily its on a site that isn't used by a lot of people, but I would have expected a company out-sourced to create a website for the gov't would do a better job than that. The real kicker is they probably got paid 20 times what it would have cost for any other company to have the same thing done. James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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It's fine for your country to come up with your own laws and whatnot. My country happened to be founded in such a way that gave every person the right to keep and bear arms. I personally like my freedom and do not like it to be tampered with. I have the right to protect my family and myself and if I feel that a gun is the right tool for the job then so be it. It is irresponsible people that give the rest of us bad names. Furthermore pretending like America is the only country that has school shootings is preposterous. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
You are obviosly right, it should be: America is the only country that has REGULARLY school shootings ;P Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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Christian Graus wrote: 'only idiots would think putting guns into society does not result in people getting shot' Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes, its all to easy to enter the US illegally and sneaking guns in would be no problem, just look at drug trafficking; as soon as it becomes illegal to own a gun the druglords would begin trafficking guns as well (if they don't already). I don't own a gun personally, I have no need to. I live in town and I have no fear of crime, I don't hunt nor do I recreational shoot. But I'll not stand for anything which takes away one liberty only to give a false sense of security. Don't bother bringing in statistics, for every statistic that claims one thing there is another that claims the opposite. James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway :) Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
James T. Johnson wrote: James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway Can I join? Countless studies have proven that 9 times out of 10 statistics are useless. :P :laugh: "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown
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James T. Johnson wrote: James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway Can I join? Countless studies have proven that 9 times out of 10 statistics are useless. :P :laugh: "There is a fine line between lunacy and genius; it is my goal in life to keep them guessing just where the line lies..." -- Unknown
Daniel Ferguson wrote: Can I join? Of course, you just have to agree that generally statistics are useless. The exception is that the CP statistics aren't useless. :) A study has shown that 42.93% of all statistics are made up on the spot too :-P James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
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Actually, I think it's over for now. Marvin is probably overdosing on making an ass of himself, and finally realising that no-one from the US is jumping in to agree with him. In any case, name calling is pretty much all we have left, I refuse to argue on his turf, which would require attacking America and would easily be misinterpreted. I have too much respect for the Americans on this site who know how to behave like a rational human being to risk offending them needlessly by stopping to Marvin's level ( although I'm always up for an argument about gun laws, of course ). I regret that this did not occur to me before some of the things I posted today, but I don't regret calling Marvin an idiot ( he is one ) or pointing out that his views are narrow minded and bigoted ( they are ). Was Marvin the person who started war over the 'disrespect' of calling Microsoft M$ ? I seem to recall that was one of his as well.... Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: I refuse to argue on his turf, Christian, I glanced through that thread and it seems to me that you *were* the first one to refer to someone as stupid (if I'm wrong, I apologize). I am certainly not going to defend his repsonse to you, but you've got to expect that every now and then someone is going to respond in a less than intellectual manner to that sort of wording. The definition of the word "stupid" is not "any opinion different from my own." Frankly, I do think that American's are routinely the victims of bigoted remarks on this forum. The only thing that surprises me are the number of American's who seem to think they deserve it, that somehow the bigoted view the rest of the world has of us actually has some merit. It doesn't. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
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It's fine for your country to come up with your own laws and whatnot. My country happened to be founded in such a way that gave every person the right to keep and bear arms. I personally like my freedom and do not like it to be tampered with. I have the right to protect my family and myself and if I feel that a gun is the right tool for the job then so be it. It is irresponsible people that give the rest of us bad names. Furthermore pretending like America is the only country that has school shootings is preposterous. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
I refuse to be drawn into this argument again, it's been proven before that the issue is socialisation, you're simply raised to believe something that people who are not from the USA percieve as totally preposterous. It's just not worth arguing about, because there is no possibility of a resolution. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: 'only idiots would think putting guns into society does not result in people getting shot' Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes, its all to easy to enter the US illegally and sneaking guns in would be no problem, just look at drug trafficking; as soon as it becomes illegal to own a gun the druglords would begin trafficking guns as well (if they don't already). I don't own a gun personally, I have no need to. I live in town and I have no fear of crime, I don't hunt nor do I recreational shoot. But I'll not stand for anything which takes away one liberty only to give a false sense of security. Don't bother bringing in statistics, for every statistic that claims one thing there is another that claims the opposite. James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway :) Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
Like I said to the other guy, this is a religious issue to Americans, and hardly one likely to be discussed rationally. It's also an issue I cannot take with cold logic, I have children and I feel strongly about their NOT living in a country where school shootings are common ( as opposed to never occuring once in Australia ). I'm sorry I brought up a religious difference between us. Let's leave it at that. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Christian Graus wrote: I refuse to argue on his turf, Christian, I glanced through that thread and it seems to me that you *were* the first one to refer to someone as stupid (if I'm wrong, I apologize). I am certainly not going to defend his repsonse to you, but you've got to expect that every now and then someone is going to respond in a less than intellectual manner to that sort of wording. The definition of the word "stupid" is not "any opinion different from my own." Frankly, I do think that American's are routinely the victims of bigoted remarks on this forum. The only thing that surprises me are the number of American's who seem to think they deserve it, that somehow the bigoted view the rest of the world has of us actually has some merit. It doesn't. "There's a slew of slip 'twixt cup and lip"
Stan Shannon wrote: Christian, I glanced through that thread and it seems to me that you *were* the first one to refer to someone as stupid (if I'm wrong, I apologize). Yes, I suspect I was. I think I already said that I regreted not coming to this conclusion more quickly. Stan Shannon wrote: Frankly, I do think that American's are routinely the victims of bigoted remarks on this forum. The only thing that surprises me are the number of American's who seem to think they deserve it, that somehow the bigoted view the rest of the world has of us actually has some merit. It doesn't. That's precisely why I quickly backed out of responding in kind. Initially I found myself highlighting negative aspects of America that I percieve, in response to his comments, but I quickly realised I could be mistaken for wanting to bash America/Americans. I simply wanted to point out that most people feel patriotic about where they live and it is narrow minded to think that everyone who doesn't live where you do wishes that they did. I think the USA has done some great things, and some shabby things too. So has Australia, but the US has done more of both, because you guys *do* more. I wouldn't live in the USA for any amount of money, because I love Australia, but I don't *dislike* America, or Americans, nor do I expect you to wish you were Australian. That is the point I tried to make this afternoon, I just got a little hot under the collar in trying to communicate that. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
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Michael P Butler wrote: How much are you charging for the live webcast? Free for 3 days. Your credit card wont be billed. After 3 days it'll be $1.99/month. If you have a SexKey or an Adult Id Gold you can register for only $1.49/month - a saving of $0.50 Nish
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Nish [BusterBoy] wrote: If you have a SexKey or an Adult Id Gold you can register for only $1.49/month - a saving of $0.50 What's a SexKey and what does it unlock? And where do you insert it to turn? Michael :-)
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It's fine for your country to come up with your own laws and whatnot. My country happened to be founded in such a way that gave every person the right to keep and bear arms. I personally like my freedom and do not like it to be tampered with. I have the right to protect my family and myself and if I feel that a gun is the right tool for the job then so be it. It is irresponsible people that give the rest of us bad names. Furthermore pretending like America is the only country that has school shootings is preposterous. -Jack To an optimist the glass is half full. To a pessimist the glass is half empty. To a programmer the glass is twice as big as it needs to be.
Jack Handy wrote: Furthermore pretending like America is the only country that has school shootings is preposterous. Well Scotland had one that I remember, but that was some mad man rather than a pupil. The sad thing is I can't remember the name of the place. However it did cause a increase in the restrictions on the ownership of firearms - something America has a problem in doing. I admire the American constitution but I think it is time for another amendment. Michael :-)
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Christian Graus wrote: 'only idiots would think putting guns into society does not result in people getting shot' Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes, its all to easy to enter the US illegally and sneaking guns in would be no problem, just look at drug trafficking; as soon as it becomes illegal to own a gun the druglords would begin trafficking guns as well (if they don't already). I don't own a gun personally, I have no need to. I live in town and I have no fear of crime, I don't hunt nor do I recreational shoot. But I'll not stand for anything which takes away one liberty only to give a false sense of security. Don't bother bringing in statistics, for every statistic that claims one thing there is another that claims the opposite. James - Founding member of the Statistics are useless coalition... most statistics anyway :) Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
Okay I'll bite, this is the R and R forum, James T. Johnson wrote: Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes Why do law-abiding citizens need guns? Michael :-)
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Okay I'll bite, this is the R and R forum, James T. Johnson wrote: Taking guns away from law-abiding citizens wouldn't stop gun related crimes Why do law-abiding citizens need guns? Michael :-)
Michael P Butler wrote: Why do law-abiding citizens need guns? So they can break the law with a gun as well. ;P I think its a case of keeping up with the Jones's. Roger Allen Sonork 100.10016 If I'm not breathing, I'm either dead or holding my breath. A fool jabbers, while a wise man listens. But is he so wise to listen to the fool?
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Marvanski will surely loose! The first thing that i learned in the lounge is that "DO NOT MESS WITH CG. He is much more dangerous than he seems to be" ;P ;P Mustafa Demirhan http://www.macroangel.com Sonork ID 100.9935:zoltrix
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"crack" is also another word for "the crater where the winds of the devil blows" or "the brown dot". Jan "It could have been worse, it could have been ME!"
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Michael P Butler wrote: How much are you charging for the live webcast? Is this pay per view ? Anyone gotta crack ? Regardz Colin J Davies
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****Colin Davies wrote: Anyone gotta crack ? My ex-wife does, but she's so fat that you'd have to roll her in flour and look for the wet spot before you found it. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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****Colin Davies wrote: Anyone gotta crack ? My ex-wife does, but she's so fat that you'd have to roll her in flour and look for the wet spot before you found it. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
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****Colin Davies wrote: Anyone gotta crack ? My ex-wife does, but she's so fat that you'd have to roll her in flour and look for the wet spot before you found it. "...the staggering layers of obscenity in your statement make it a work of art on so many levels." - Jason Jystad, 10/26/2001 Please review the Legal Disclaimer in my bio.
John Simmons / outlaw programmer wrote: My ex-wife does, but she's so fat that you'd have to roll her in flour and look for the wet spot before you found it. :laugh: :laugh: :laugh: I read that this morning when I first woke up. I laughed my ass off. Then I took a shower. For the whole 10 minutes I was in there, I was still snickering. During class, an occasional giggle would surface from somewhere within. And now that I am at work, the image of your fat ex-wife rolling around in flour keeps popping into my head. Oh man, you made my day. That is one of the funniest things I have read in a long time. :) Jon Sagara There is no spoon. Best Miniputt score: 21
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Like I said to the other guy, this is a religious issue to Americans, and hardly one likely to be discussed rationally. It's also an issue I cannot take with cold logic, I have children and I feel strongly about their NOT living in a country where school shootings are common ( as opposed to never occuring once in Australia ). I'm sorry I brought up a religious difference between us. Let's leave it at that. Christian The tragedy of cyberspace - that so much can travel so far, and yet mean so little. "I'm somewhat suspicious of STL though. My (test,experimental) program worked first time. Whats that all about??!?! - Jon Hulatt, 22/3/2002
Christian Graus wrote: Let's leave it at that. Done :) James Sonork: Hasaki "I left there in the morning with their God tucked underneath my arm their half-assed smiles and the book of rules. So I asked this God a question and by way of firm reply, He said - I'm not the kind you have to wind up on Sundays." "Wind Up" from Aqualung, Jethro Tull 1971
