Neutral news media?
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RawStory (www.rawstory.com) and al-Jazeera (can't remember the link, don't have it here)
That pair of choices certainly explains a lot about you.
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In the following order for general news: * BBC News[^] * The (Glasgow) Herald[^] * The Scotsman[^] For tech news: * Code Project[^] * The Register[^] * BBC News[^]
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
BBC News[^]
BBC news has seemed to have a very liberal pro-Muslim, anti-Christianity, and anti-Israel bias behind it the times i have looked at it.
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Seriously though, i think Fox News[^] has the most balanced coverage.
shhhh.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors.
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In this highly polarised world, it seems natural that even news media are biased in some way or other. So my qestion is, which news media(portal/network) do you prefer to get the facts of a particular issue?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
Precisely because there is no such thing as an unbiased media, I try to read a variety of sources if I care enough to try to find out about something. I may also read blogs, but I don't make the mistake of presuming that someone who is in the thick of things actually understands what's going on, beyond how it affects them personally. Mostly, I accept that there is no real way to know what's going on in the world beyond some broad brush strokes.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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In this highly polarised world, it seems natural that even news media are biased in some way or other. So my qestion is, which news media(portal/network) do you prefer to get the facts of a particular issue?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
The way things are now - The Onion.
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Seriously though, i think Fox News[^] has the most balanced coverage.
Fox news is my favorite too. Heck I prefer it even over Comedy central.
Farhan Noor Qureshi
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
BBC News[^]
BBC news has seemed to have a very liberal pro-Muslim, anti-Christianity, and anti-Israel bias behind it the times i have looked at it.
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liberal
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
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anti-Christianity
Obviously seeing as it is the company that brought the world such delights as "Songs of Praise"!
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pro-Muslim
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
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anti-Israel
Again - I look at the reports and they appear balanced to me. Could it be that they are actually trying to balance out the fact that the UK government seems to have conveniently forgotten about various UNSCRs - Most notably the Security Council's demand that Israel returns to its 1967 borders. One thing about the BBC is that, although it is a state supported organisation, each government has critisied it for being anti-incumbant and pro-opposition, meanwhile the opposition parties have lambasted it for being too pro-incumbent and anti-opposition. To me that suggests they are doing a good job of being fair and balanced by giving fair coverage to both sides for both the pros and cons.
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liberal
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
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anti-Christianity
Obviously seeing as it is the company that brought the world such delights as "Songs of Praise"!
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pro-Muslim
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
anti-Israel
Again - I look at the reports and they appear balanced to me. Could it be that they are actually trying to balance out the fact that the UK government seems to have conveniently forgotten about various UNSCRs - Most notably the Security Council's demand that Israel returns to its 1967 borders. One thing about the BBC is that, although it is a state supported organisation, each government has critisied it for being anti-incumbant and pro-opposition, meanwhile the opposition parties have lambasted it for being too pro-incumbent and anti-opposition. To me that suggests they are doing a good job of being fair and balanced by giving fair coverage to both sides for both the pros and cons.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
The dude watches Fox "news" and considers it "balanced" "most balanced". Go figure. :-D Edit: http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1593234&forumid=2605#xx1593234xx[^] -- modified at 18:45 Monday 24th July, 2006
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
liberal
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
anti-Christianity
Obviously seeing as it is the company that brought the world such delights as "Songs of Praise"!
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
pro-Muslim
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
anti-Israel
Again - I look at the reports and they appear balanced to me. Could it be that they are actually trying to balance out the fact that the UK government seems to have conveniently forgotten about various UNSCRs - Most notably the Security Council's demand that Israel returns to its 1967 borders. One thing about the BBC is that, although it is a state supported organisation, each government has critisied it for being anti-incumbant and pro-opposition, meanwhile the opposition parties have lambasted it for being too pro-incumbent and anti-opposition. To me that suggests they are doing a good job of being fair and balanced by giving fair coverage to both sides for both the pros and cons.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
BBC News[^]
BBC news has seemed to have a very liberal pro-Muslim, anti-Christianity, and anti-Israel bias behind it the times i have looked at it.
Perhaps you're just used to a conservative, anti Muslim, pro Christianity and pro Israel press ?
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
The dude watches Fox "news" and considers it "balanced" "most balanced". Go figure. :-D Edit: http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1593234&forumid=2605#xx1593234xx[^] -- modified at 18:45 Monday 24th July, 2006
Point taken - While I don't read Fox News, I do take my information from multiple sources. For example the two broadsheet papers in Scotland tend to have differing opinions so I try to read both and then from that to work out the truth. I don't automatically believe what those sources tell me either. For example today I wrote to The Scotsman "Criticising is easy. If you had provided some constructive criticism, whereby you offer an alternative, I might be able to see your point of view. As it is, all I see is the continual cynical, sceptical, contemptuous reporting of anything that might benefit Scotland by The Scotsman." As you can probably tell, the author of one of their article irked me for the last time.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
Hmmm... you seem to have a point, but I'd be cautious of assuming this was due to intentional bias. It's too easy to look for conspiracy where there is none.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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In this highly polarised world, it seems natural that even news media are biased in some way or other. So my qestion is, which news media(portal/network) do you prefer to get the facts of a particular issue?
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
The news media outlets always have been and probably always will be biased in some way or other. It's up to the consumer to educate themselves to be able to separate what is fact from what is spin in the presentation of the news. Therefore, it's probably important to compare "news" from a number of sources to be able to make some kind of informed opinion on what is going on. Few of us have the luxury to check the facts directly on our own. If you understand the biases of the sources, you stand some hope of deducing most of the facts.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Precisely because there is no such thing as an unbiased media, I try to read a variety of sources if I care enough to try to find out about something. I may also read blogs, but I don't make the mistake of presuming that someone who is in the thick of things actually understands what's going on, beyond how it affects them personally. Mostly, I accept that there is no real way to know what's going on in the world beyond some broad brush strokes.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
there is no such thing as an unbiased media
Thats my opinion too.But irony is many people understand this but tend to forget it when they want to argue their point of view, they take the news media which is nearer to their liking and ignore the rest.
cheers, Super ------------------------------------------ Too much of good is bad,mix some evil in it
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i think Fox News[^] has the most balanced coverage
Are you serious.:omg: I meant unbiased and not biased news -- modified at 18:59 Monday 24th July, 2006
super wrote:
I meant unbiased and not biased news
Interesting how people on here seem to think that liberal biased news is balaced, but conservative news is very unbalanced.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
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in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
As from the proper English meaning of the word too.
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Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor?
Of the two parts you quoted I cannot see that one is more pro than the other. Can you point out explicity which areas you find "pro-muslim". As far as I can see they are both respectful and acurate.
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It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh
The "peace be upon him" is the respectful part. That is not bias, that is called respect.
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but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
Ummm.... Yes, it does: Conveniently you missed the introduction[^] where it said: Christians believe that Jesus Christ was the Son of God You also missed the bit, also in the introduction, where it said: God sent his Son to earth to save humanity from the consequences of its sins And in the section on beliefs[^] it says: Jesus died on the Cross so that those who believe in him will be forgiven all their sins
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Perhaps i should use a different word on an international forum like this, but in America, liberal means the opposite of the true latin meaning of the word.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Does this not seem a little biased in Islam's favor? BBC definition of Islam[^] Islam began in Arabia and was revealed to humanity by the Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him). Those who follow Islam are called Muslims. Muslims believe that there is only one God. The Arabic word for God is Allah. BBC definition of Christianity[^] Christianity is the world's biggest religion, with about 2.1 billion followers worldwide. It is based on the teachings of Jesus Christ who lived in the Holy Land 2,000 years ago. It says that Mohammad was a prophet, and even includes the pbuh, but does it say that Jesus is God's Son, or that he died for Man's Sins?
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Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
liberal
liberal - from the latin meaning free. But somewhere along the way the word got bastardised in American English and so I suspect you don't really mean "liberal" as it is properly defined. I do mean liberal as it is properly defined and I am proud to say that I am a liberal person living in a liberal society.
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
anti-Christianity
Obviously seeing as it is the company that brought the world such delights as "Songs of Praise"!
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
pro-Muslim
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced. Could it be that you are so anti-muslim that anything that is actually balanced looks "pro" to you?
Score: 1.0 (1 vote). wrote:
anti-Israel
Again - I look at the reports and they appear balanced to me. Could it be that they are actually trying to balance out the fact that the UK government seems to have conveniently forgotten about various UNSCRs - Most notably the Security Council's demand that Israel returns to its 1967 borders. One thing about the BBC is that, although it is a state supported organisation, each government has critisied it for being anti-incumbant and pro-opposition, meanwhile the opposition parties have lambasted it for being too pro-incumbent and anti-opposition. To me that suggests they are doing a good job of being fair and balanced by giving fair coverage to both sides for both the pros and cons.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I wouldn't say so. It seems to be balanced.
You are kidding? It has got better recently, but only after many complaints and internal reviews. Tearful eulogies for murdering thief arafat[^] In general, I'm suprisingly happy with the BBC's coverage of this current conflict, but then Micheal Grade has been banging heads together recently, much to the annoyance of our local Islamists. Who would be annoyed anyway, what with him being a 'Zionist' who is still breathing. -- modified at 19:14 Monday 24th July, 2006
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Point taken - While I don't read Fox News, I do take my information from multiple sources. For example the two broadsheet papers in Scotland tend to have differing opinions so I try to read both and then from that to work out the truth. I don't automatically believe what those sources tell me either. For example today I wrote to The Scotsman "Criticising is easy. If you had provided some constructive criticism, whereby you offer an alternative, I might be able to see your point of view. As it is, all I see is the continual cynical, sceptical, contemptuous reporting of anything that might benefit Scotland by The Scotsman." As you can probably tell, the author of one of their article irked me for the last time.
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Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
While I don't read Fox News
No body should but sadly most americans do.
Colin Angus Mackay wrote:
I do take my information from multiple sources.
So do I. With what's happening in the world, one must try to get the broadest view, accumulated from many sources, because every media outlet is influenced by one party or the other.
Farhan Noor Qureshi