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leckey wrote:
Stop putting "Jews" in one collective group
Do the same for muslims then. Have the honesty and courage to defend the misrepresentation of Islam as aggressively as you defend Judaism. If not, I will have no respect for you. -- modified at 11:48 Friday 28th July, 2006
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fat_boy wrote:
Do the same for muslims then.
Absolutely, I agree and totally concur. One thing that gets me though, is that many times I'll hear this same thing from Muslims, and think, "Ok, he's right, not all Muslims adhere to such crazy, genocidal ideas." But then a week or so later, I hear those same people defending groups like Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, Islamic Jihad group, Hizbullah, or the views of the Iranian President Ahmadinejad. I mean, if you guys really don't stand for the genocidal notions of removal of the Jewish race and government from Israel--complete destruction of Israel--please say so and don't defend groups that espouse such terrible things. I suspect your saying such honorable things isn't backed up by your real-world views; I hope I'm wrong about that.
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fat_boy wrote:
Do the same for muslims then.
Absolutely, I agree and totally concur. One thing that gets me though, is that many times I'll hear this same thing from Muslims, and think, "Ok, he's right, not all Muslims adhere to such crazy, genocidal ideas." But then a week or so later, I hear those same people defending groups like Hamas, Al Aqsa Martyrs' Brigade, Islamic Jihad group, Hizbullah, or the views of the Iranian President Ahmadinejad. I mean, if you guys really don't stand for the genocidal notions of removal of the Jewish race and government from Israel--complete destruction of Israel--please say so and don't defend groups that espouse such terrible things. I suspect your saying such honorable things isn't backed up by your real-world views; I hope I'm wrong about that.
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leckey wrote:
Stop putting "Jews" in one collective group
Do the same for muslims then. Have the honesty and courage to defend the misrepresentation of Islam as aggressively as you defend Judaism. If not, I will have no respect for you. -- modified at 11:48 Friday 28th July, 2006
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
I guess I'm just going to have to learn to live without fat_trolls love and respect... :laugh: You've been a very busy boy this week and very, very morlockish. I'd be appalled if I thought you actually believed some of the tripe you've been spewing. Still, it has been fun: keep up the good work, you anti-semitic scum-bag, you. BTW: what do you htink would happen if Israel pulled back and left Hezbollah to regroup and resupply? Do you think there'd be peace or would it all just blow up again in a few years? Or would they see peace as weakness and increase the missile attacks?
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Judah Himango wrote:
the Jewish race
Educate me. When did "Jewish" start refering to a race rather than a religion? :confused:
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
The term "Israelite" came from anyone who descended from Jacob (in the Bible). Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" meaning, one who struggles with God, hence his descendants were Israelites. He had 12 sons (the 12 tribes of Israel): Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issacher, Zebulon, Joseph (the "coat of many colors" guy), Benjamin. Those 12 sons and their descedants are the people that comprised the ancient nation Israel. The term "Jew" did not exist at this point. After King Solomon's reign as king of Israel, there was kind of civil war, where the nation of Israel split into 2 nations: in the south, the nation of Judah formed with Jerusalem as its capital. It was named Judah because the tribes of Judah and Benjamin made up most of the nation. In the north, a new nation of Ephraim (sometimes referred to as the nation of Israel) was created, containing the other 10 tribes of Israel. Some several hundred years BC, the northern nation of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria, never to return. In the south, the nation of Judah remained. They were taken captive by Babylon some years later, but they returned after 70 years of captivity (the book of Nehemiah in the Bible was written by a returning Judah-ite at this time). The term "Jew" didn't come into play until much later, when Greek and Roman cultures called them Judahites. Arabs would call a Jew "yehud" in Arabic which means "Judah", and is derived from the Hebrew "Yehuda", which is where we get the English word "Judah". So, the term "Jew" was finally meant to mean a Judahite, or any member of the southern kingdom of Judah. Most Jews today call themselves a "Jew" if they descend from any of the 12 tribes, regardless of their religious association. Jesus descended from Judah, so he was Jew. (This is also the reason Jesus is referred to as "the Lion of Judah"). Paul in the New Testament descended from Benjamin, so he was also a Jew. In more modern times, Albert Einstein descended from Judah; he was a Jew, despite being an atheist-leaning pantheist. In modern Israel, a majority of the populace are secular Jews. So you see, being a Jew is more about lineage than religion. It literally means someone who descended from Judah, or someone living in the southern kingdom of Judah. Here's a little blog post[^] I wro
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The term "Israelite" came from anyone who descended from Jacob (in the Bible). Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" meaning, one who struggles with God, hence his descendants were Israelites. He had 12 sons (the 12 tribes of Israel): Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issacher, Zebulon, Joseph (the "coat of many colors" guy), Benjamin. Those 12 sons and their descedants are the people that comprised the ancient nation Israel. The term "Jew" did not exist at this point. After King Solomon's reign as king of Israel, there was kind of civil war, where the nation of Israel split into 2 nations: in the south, the nation of Judah formed with Jerusalem as its capital. It was named Judah because the tribes of Judah and Benjamin made up most of the nation. In the north, a new nation of Ephraim (sometimes referred to as the nation of Israel) was created, containing the other 10 tribes of Israel. Some several hundred years BC, the northern nation of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria, never to return. In the south, the nation of Judah remained. They were taken captive by Babylon some years later, but they returned after 70 years of captivity (the book of Nehemiah in the Bible was written by a returning Judah-ite at this time). The term "Jew" didn't come into play until much later, when Greek and Roman cultures called them Judahites. Arabs would call a Jew "yehud" in Arabic which means "Judah", and is derived from the Hebrew "Yehuda", which is where we get the English word "Judah". So, the term "Jew" was finally meant to mean a Judahite, or any member of the southern kingdom of Judah. Most Jews today call themselves a "Jew" if they descend from any of the 12 tribes, regardless of their religious association. Jesus descended from Judah, so he was Jew. (This is also the reason Jesus is referred to as "the Lion of Judah"). Paul in the New Testament descended from Benjamin, so he was also a Jew. In more modern times, Albert Einstein descended from Judah; he was a Jew, despite being an atheist-leaning pantheist. In modern Israel, a majority of the populace are secular Jews. So you see, being a Jew is more about lineage than religion. It literally means someone who descended from Judah, or someone living in the southern kingdom of Judah. Here's a little blog post[^] I wro
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Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion to Judaism? -- modified at 13:52 Friday 28th July, 2006
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion Judaism?
Sammy Davis Jr.
"Everything I listed is intended to eliminate the tyranny of the majority." -Vincent Reynolds on American Democracy
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I guess I'm just going to have to learn to live without fat_trolls love and respect... :laugh: You've been a very busy boy this week and very, very morlockish. I'd be appalled if I thought you actually believed some of the tripe you've been spewing. Still, it has been fun: keep up the good work, you anti-semitic scum-bag, you. BTW: what do you htink would happen if Israel pulled back and left Hezbollah to regroup and resupply? Do you think there'd be peace or would it all just blow up again in a few years? Or would they see peace as weakness and increase the missile attacks?
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bookmarks You can ignore relatives but the neighbours live next doorHey! I am not trolling! You idiot. I am just trying to show everyone the virtues of Islam, and how all zionists are trash and need to be killed. Oh and by the way, the Holocaust was a myth.
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Judah Himango wrote:
the Jewish race
Educate me. When did "Jewish" start refering to a race rather than a religion? :confused:
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe? This doesn't just apply to judaism or even religion of course. Elaine :rose:
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The reviews I've read so far rate it mediocre at best. But most are applauding how it ends. Apparently the only similarity to the 80s show is the name alone. Hope you enjoy it, though.
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after all surely you know about Santa's Elvis? :rolleyes:
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after all surely you know about Santa's Elvis? :rolleyes:
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Hey! I am not trolling! You idiot. I am just trying to show everyone the virtues of Islam, and how all zionists are trash and need to be killed. Oh and by the way, the Holocaust was a myth.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion to Judaism? -- modified at 13:52 Friday 28th July, 2006
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
I call him/her a Jewish person. I believe there's a distinction between being a Jew and being Jewish, like there's a distinction between being a Hispanic and being Catholic. Alvaro
The bible was written when people were even more stupid than they are today. Can you imagine that? - David Cross
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The term "Israelite" came from anyone who descended from Jacob (in the Bible). Jacob's name was changed to "Israel" meaning, one who struggles with God, hence his descendants were Israelites. He had 12 sons (the 12 tribes of Israel): Reuben, Simeon, Levi, Judah, Dan, Naphtali, Gad, Asher, Issacher, Zebulon, Joseph (the "coat of many colors" guy), Benjamin. Those 12 sons and their descedants are the people that comprised the ancient nation Israel. The term "Jew" did not exist at this point. After King Solomon's reign as king of Israel, there was kind of civil war, where the nation of Israel split into 2 nations: in the south, the nation of Judah formed with Jerusalem as its capital. It was named Judah because the tribes of Judah and Benjamin made up most of the nation. In the north, a new nation of Ephraim (sometimes referred to as the nation of Israel) was created, containing the other 10 tribes of Israel. Some several hundred years BC, the northern nation of Israel was taken into captivity by Assyria, never to return. In the south, the nation of Judah remained. They were taken captive by Babylon some years later, but they returned after 70 years of captivity (the book of Nehemiah in the Bible was written by a returning Judah-ite at this time). The term "Jew" didn't come into play until much later, when Greek and Roman cultures called them Judahites. Arabs would call a Jew "yehud" in Arabic which means "Judah", and is derived from the Hebrew "Yehuda", which is where we get the English word "Judah". So, the term "Jew" was finally meant to mean a Judahite, or any member of the southern kingdom of Judah. Most Jews today call themselves a "Jew" if they descend from any of the 12 tribes, regardless of their religious association. Jesus descended from Judah, so he was Jew. (This is also the reason Jesus is referred to as "the Lion of Judah"). Paul in the New Testament descended from Benjamin, so he was also a Jew. In more modern times, Albert Einstein descended from Judah; he was a Jew, despite being an atheist-leaning pantheist. In modern Israel, a majority of the populace are secular Jews. So you see, being a Jew is more about lineage than religion. It literally means someone who descended from Judah, or someone living in the southern kingdom of Judah. Here's a little blog post[^] I wro
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When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe? This doesn't just apply to judaism or even religion of course. Elaine :rose:
Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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So how does that establish them as a race rather than an ethnic group descended from the same root stock that others in the region descended from?
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Now you're splitting hairs. :) From Wikipedia: "A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics." If you're asking how Jews are distinct from Arabs, they are distinct in that Jews descend from Isaac; they have a different religion, and often times, a different skin color, different facial features, and a different genetic makeup than Arabs.
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I've been getting progressively further away for the past six years; i'm now in Colorado. That said, there are a lot of things i miss about it - real winters and lefse among them. One of my sisters likes to tease me by blogging about it whenever she makes lefse... such cruel siblings i have. :sigh: ;)
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I've been getting progressively further away for the past six years; i'm now in Colorado. That said, there are a lot of things i miss about it - real winters and lefse among them. One of my sisters likes to tease me by blogging about it whenever she makes lefse... such cruel siblings i have. :sigh: ;)
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Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion to Judaism? -- modified at 13:52 Friday 28th July, 2006
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
A gentile who converts to Judaism is a Judaic proselyte, although some people will simply call that person a Jew since he assumingly would live a typical Jewish lifestyle. Some religious Jews of the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox sects, especially in Israel, claim you're not "Jewish" unless you live the Judaic life. However, that certainly isn't true in the real meaning and ancestory of the word "Jew", or in the practical use of the word ("secular Jew", "Messianic Jew", etc.)
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion Judaism?
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espeir wrote:
Sammy Davis Jr.
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