My two-cents worth (or 5 cents for those without 1 cent pieces anymore)
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So how does that establish them as a race rather than an ethnic group descended from the same root stock that others in the region descended from?
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
Now you're splitting hairs. :) From Wikipedia: "A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics." If you're asking how Jews are distinct from Arabs, they are distinct in that Jews descend from Isaac; they have a different religion, and often times, a different skin color, different facial features, and a different genetic makeup than Arabs.
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I've been getting progressively further away for the past six years; i'm now in Colorado. That said, there are a lot of things i miss about it - real winters and lefse among them. One of my sisters likes to tease me by blogging about it whenever she makes lefse... such cruel siblings i have. :sigh: ;)
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I've been getting progressively further away for the past six years; i'm now in Colorado. That said, there are a lot of things i miss about it - real winters and lefse among them. One of my sisters likes to tease me by blogging about it whenever she makes lefse... such cruel siblings i have. :sigh: ;)
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Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion to Judaism? -- modified at 13:52 Friday 28th July, 2006
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
A gentile who converts to Judaism is a Judaic proselyte, although some people will simply call that person a Jew since he assumingly would live a typical Jewish lifestyle. Some religious Jews of the Orthodox and Ultra-Orthodox sects, especially in Israel, claim you're not "Jewish" unless you live the Judaic life. However, that certainly isn't true in the real meaning and ancestory of the word "Jew", or in the practical use of the word ("secular Jew", "Messianic Jew", etc.)
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Mike Mullikin wrote:
Interesting, so what do I call a non-Jew who converts their religion Judaism?
Sammy Davis Jr.
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espeir wrote:
Sammy Davis Jr.
:laugh:
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Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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ya sure you betcha ;) [born in MN as well, currently live in the Twin City suburbs]
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Heh, no, none of that. :)
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ya sure you betcha ;) [born in MN as well, currently live in the Twin City suburbs]
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Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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:-D :laugh:
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Now you're splitting hairs. :) From Wikipedia: "A race is a distinct population of humans distinguished in some way from other humans. The most widely observed races are those based on skin color, facial features, ancestry, and genetics." If you're asking how Jews are distinct from Arabs, they are distinct in that Jews descend from Isaac; they have a different religion, and often times, a different skin color, different facial features, and a different genetic makeup than Arabs.
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Funny, I don't remember boxes for Jew or Arab or Celt on any of those stupid governmental forms that ask what your race is. The main reason people are claiming everything is a race these days is exactly those forms. They want some special treatment from the government or they want to call anyone who disgrees with them racist which has become a very derogatory word. -- modified at 21:23 Friday 28th July, 2006
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Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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Shog9 wrote:
brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites,
Hot summers in Minnesota HA!!! Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is. And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar. We know we can't exterminate them so we try to paint tail numbers on them for purposes of ID and such.
Shog9 wrote:
ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
That wasn't what my parents said. I have trouble recalling exactly what it was but it sounded like "cummer you litle ^&%$#hole before I knock the ^&^%% outa you". Or something like that :laugh: Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Shog9 wrote:
brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites,
Hot summers in Minnesota HA!!! Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is. And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar. We know we can't exterminate them so we try to paint tail numbers on them for purposes of ID and such.
Shog9 wrote:
ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
That wasn't what my parents said. I have trouble recalling exactly what it was but it sounded like "cummer you litle ^&%$#hole before I knock the ^&^%% outa you". Or something like that :laugh: Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is.
:D No thanks - i've been down there in the winter, and found it a bit too hot and humid for my taste.
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ya sure you betcha ;) [born in MN as well, currently live in the Twin City suburbs]
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I'll have to look you up next time i'm up there for work. :)
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Shog9 wrote:
brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites,
Hot summers in Minnesota HA!!! Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is. And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar. We know we can't exterminate them so we try to paint tail numbers on them for purposes of ID and such.
Shog9 wrote:
ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
That wasn't what my parents said. I have trouble recalling exactly what it was but it sounded like "cummer you litle ^&%$#hole before I knock the ^&^%% outa you". Or something like that :laugh: Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar.
Babies compared to Minnesota mosquitos. Something about the breeding grounds in 10,000 lakes.
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
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Shog9 wrote:
brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites,
Hot summers in Minnesota HA!!! Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is. And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar. We know we can't exterminate them so we try to paint tail numbers on them for purposes of ID and such.
Shog9 wrote:
ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
That wasn't what my parents said. I have trouble recalling exactly what it was but it sounded like "cummer you litle ^&%$#hole before I knock the ^&^%% outa you". Or something like that :laugh: Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
Richard Stringer wrote:
And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar.
Minnesota really does have Texas beat on mosquitos except for the little bit of hell on Earth known as Houston.
I can imagine the sinking feeling one would have after ordering my book, only to find a laughably ridiculous theory with demented logic once the book arrives - Mark McCutcheon
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Richard Stringer wrote:
Come on down to Texas and see what a "hot summer" really is.
:D No thanks - i've been down there in the winter, and found it a bit too hot and humid for my taste.
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Shog9 wrote:
i've been down there in the winter
You must have missed winter. This year I believe winter fell on Feb 11. It got down below freezing for a couple of hours and I had to drag a bunch of plants off of my patio into the garage. Some years our winters last for 3-4 days but generally just 1-2. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Funny, I don't remember boxes for Jew or Arab or Celt on any of those stupid governmental forms that ask what your race is. The main reason people are claiming everything is a race these days is exactly those forms. They want some special treatment from the government or they want to call anyone who disgrees with them racist which has become a very derogatory word. -- modified at 21:23 Friday 28th July, 2006
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
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Richard Stringer wrote:
And mosquitos - damn we have some that are so big they are picked up on radar.
Babies compared to Minnesota mosquitos. Something about the breeding grounds in 10,000 lakes.
"The trouble with jogging is that the ice falls out of your glass." - Martin Mull
Mike Mullikin wrote:
Babies compared to Minnesota mosquitos. Something about the breeding grounds in 10,000 lakes.
Hell Texas has 10000 lakes just between here and Houston - if you count farm ponds and stock ponds. Most farm and stock ponds are less than 1000 acres so they may not count. I mean - I am not kidding - I am serious as a heart attack - we actually get ready for dove season by going out hunting skeeters . A 20 guage is as light a gun as one can use with any success. I prefer a 12 using #4 shot but then again I don't like to take chances. Experts use 22's but they always have someone backing them up with a smoothbore. One of them suckers can give you west nile and anemia at the same time. We have electric mosquito nets in case of an emergency. Home Depot in Dallas has OFF in 55 gallon barrels and recommend appling it with a paint brush. Many bass fishermen - you know them idiots that spend 35-50 grand on their fishing rigs - mount twin 20 mm anti-aircraft guns for use on our larger lakes . Pickup drivers go slow in the early morning and around sunset to keep from having their windshields busted. I once saw - with my own eyes - a bat and a mosquito fighting. They fought for 10-15 min before I lost sight of them. Don't know which one was the winner but there was plenty of skeeters left and I didn't see any more bats. The ones you saw must have been babies or Oklahoma skeeters that got lost. Richard
Suppose you were an idiot... And suppose you were a member of Congress... But I repeat myself. --Mark Twain
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Trollslayer wrote:
When some is brought up to be jewish from birth (e.g. circumcism) before they have a chance to decide what they believe?
You think that's bad? How 'bout being brought up Minnesotan from birth - cold winters, hot summers, covered in mosquito bites, eating at potluck before you even understand what "luck" really means... But does anyone ever think to talk to parents about the emotional scarring caused by the child hearing "ufdah!" whenever they're picked up? Noooo....
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It should be about faith not convention.
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Over the last couple of...well, weeks, the Israel/Lebanon debate has been RAGING. I have a few things to say on all the talk. 1. Stop putting "Jews" in one collective group. I've seen "the Jews" a couple of times (although it being from one person). You know who also called us "the Jews?" Hitler. So stop making us sound like one evil group ready to take over the Middle East. Not all Jews are citizens of Israel and not all citizens of Israel are Jews. Not all Jews have the same feelings on what is going on in the Middle East. Not all Israeli citizens have the same feelings on what is going on in the Middle East. Stop making assumptions for these groups. 2. I've seen a lot of media quotes or links to the media, and in the next breath people saying you can't believe the media. It's one or the other folks. We can't believe CNN because it's left-wing, we can't believe Fox because it's right-winged. Anyone who doesn't agree with the conservative right is a "left-winged extremist." I find it hypocritical. Personally, I read both CNN and FOX News online and I don't see a huge difference. But maybe I should stop reading only the entertainment sections. :cool: 3. We all have strong opinions on the subject. I don't think anyone here is going to change the mind of another person in the Soapbox. And using terribly graphic photographs is just trolling. So I propose everyone just cool down. Let's talk about some other stuff going on around the world. And let's stop calling each other names. We're programmers and smarter than that. (Or at least write it out in binary! That would be funny.) Have a good weekend everyone. Stay safe and stay cool. Literally and figuratively. ..that's my 2-cents, and no, you can't ask for change.:cool:
leckey wrote:
not all citizens of Israel are Jews
I spent a couple of days trying to get some people around here to understand that. Thank you.
leckey wrote:
We can't believe CNN because it's left-wing, we can't believe Fox because it's right-winged.
What do you think is a sensible position ? My position is this - all media sources are biased, a viewing of differing sources can give a reasonable picture of what's going on, but there's no real way to know you've got the whole story.
leckey wrote:
And using terribly graphic photographs is just trolling.
Agreed - I'm yet to follow one of those links.
leckey wrote:
Let's talk about some other stuff going on around the world.
OK - I'm going to see Iron Maiden !!!
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