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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Yeah they are the only religion with this problem :)
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Christians are know for peace loving people
Yeah right :) It may be true to a degree but I can think of a few prominent Christians that seem to like a good war or two.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens.
What a load of crap. I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the Muslims are terrorists just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
Fact? Got some stats? Islam a failed religion? How do you define the failure of a religion? They sure have a few members. I think your logic is failed.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mohammed didn't write anything down. HIs companions did, allegedly, in Syrio-Aramaic as Arabic wasn't a written language at the time. One of our Jihadi friends will probably post a reference to a document found at the beginning of the 20th century that shows early arabic pre mohammed. Many (non islamic) scholars think its a forgery. It's easier to be christian first, as Christianity does not make you choose between your nation and your faith, Islam does. Oh, and wait for the "but christians can be evil too" knee jerk equivalence from the ever ready to please.
Ryan
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the Muslims are terrorists just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
Whilst I have an intense dislike for Islam (along with most religions that are still stuck in the dark-ages), I've got to take exception to that statement. Most Muslims are honest, hardworking people like you and I. A few bad apples tend to spoil it for the rest of them. Don't let the terrorists make you believe they speak for all. They are just a bunch of malcontents who can't fit into the current society and so have a desire to change it to their own world view. (And are willing to die for their misguided beliefs).
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Yeah they are the only religion with this problem :)
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Christians are know for peace loving people
Yeah right :) It may be true to a degree but I can think of a few prominent Christians that seem to like a good war or two.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens.
What a load of crap. I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the Muslims are terrorists just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
Fact? Got some stats? Islam a failed religion? How do you define the failure of a religion? They sure have a few members. I think your logic is failed.
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Josh Gray wrote:
I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
When push comes to shove 'tribes' stick together. This is true of all tribes, not just Islam. National identity is just one of the tribes to which you can belong and you may find that you are attached to many different tribes as you go through life and that your loyalties to each of these tribes is tested by your loyalty to another. Trbies include immediate family, extended family, work colleagues (may change the most), religious, sporting, city, state, etc, etc. Some of these will appear frivolous to others but are active because they mean something to the individual. Problems arise when you (by whatever influence) make choices between tribes each of which may have an order of precedence in your life. One of those might be choosing to place your work tribe above your family tribe (the reason here is not important) or your religious tribal affiliation above your nationalistic one. These are not easy choices to make but everyone makes them. I think the point that Mr Prakash is trying to make is that Islam *appears* to transcend all other tribal affiliations to the outside observer. This is partly, but not wholly, evidenced by the fervour with which, for instance, a large proportion of UK born muslims place being a muslim above being British. I make no claim here as to whether this is right or wrong: I'll leave that for another debate; rather that is just what it is: people make choices all the time about which tribes they belong to and the order of importance and precedence they attach to each and, therefore, this can dictate the actions that they take in support of each of those tribal affiliations.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the Muslims are terrorists just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
Whilst I have an intense dislike for Islam (along with most religions that are still stuck in the dark-ages), I've got to take exception to that statement. Most Muslims are honest, hardworking people like you and I. A few bad apples tend to spoil it for the rest of them. Don't let the terrorists make you believe they speak for all. They are just a bunch of malcontents who can't fit into the current society and so have a desire to change it to their own world view. (And are willing to die for their misguided beliefs).
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Michael P Butler wrote:
Don't let the terrorists make you believe they speak for all.
Oh, but they do. Watch our delightful community representatives try to stick the blame for this latest act of jihadi madness on foreign policy. They will deny support for their methods, but the objectives of many peaceful political Muslims (especialy muslim brotherhood front groups like the MCB) and the jihadis are often the same. The level of cognitive dissonance in the Islamic community would be entertaining, if it wasn't so damn dangerous.
Ryan
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion
I don't think this is necessarily true, people tend to switch nationality much easier than religion.
I was an athiest till i realised i was God :cool:
That's a 5ver. I have always always wondered why people changed their religions in India?
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Josh Gray wrote:
I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
When push comes to shove 'tribes' stick together. This is true of all tribes, not just Islam. National identity is just one of the tribes to which you can belong and you may find that you are attached to many different tribes as you go through life and that your loyalties to each of these tribes is tested by your loyalty to another. Trbies include immediate family, extended family, work colleagues (may change the most), religious, sporting, city, state, etc, etc. Some of these will appear frivolous to others but are active because they mean something to the individual. Problems arise when you (by whatever influence) make choices between tribes each of which may have an order of precedence in your life. One of those might be choosing to place your work tribe above your family tribe (the reason here is not important) or your religious tribal affiliation above your nationalistic one. These are not easy choices to make but everyone makes them. I think the point that Mr Prakash is trying to make is that Islam *appears* to transcend all other tribal affiliations to the outside observer. This is partly, but not wholly, evidenced by the fervour with which, for instance, a large proportion of UK born muslims place being a muslim above being British. I make no claim here as to whether this is right or wrong: I'll leave that for another debate; rather that is just what it is: people make choices all the time about which tribes they belong to and the order of importance and precedence they attach to each and, therefore, this can dictate the actions that they take in support of each of those tribal affiliations.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples
All these ppl had/have some idealogy like freedom from a goverment or etc but not religion. And i am refering to Muslim as a religion that has affected the world.
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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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The big difference here is that each of these groups is/was mainly localised with a specific/lunatic cause against the prevailing government. Islam is spread through virtually every country around the globe and muslims commit terrorist atrocities wherever they feel they can get the best result or PR and, or so it appears, the underlying rationale is to unite the world into a single global caliphate with the world's population either muslim or dead.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke
WWI happened because when someone was assassinated, the generals in various countries leap at the excuse for war. WWII happened because Hitler took advantage of the German people being downtrodden by the excessive post war demands when they lost WWI. That's one reason why the US saw the Marshall Plan as a central platform for peace.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Putting nation before religion means that have the tolerance for other religion and cultures in the nation and Islam too preaches tolerance but I think they never understood that.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion
I don't think this is necessarily true, people tend to switch nationality much easier than religion.
I was an athiest till i realised i was God :cool:
Monty2 wrote:
I don't think this is necessarily true, people tend to switch nationality much easier than religion.
being citizen first means that you respect other religion and their existance it does not matter to which contry you belong to.
-Prakash
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
IMHO, it is a short sighted view. As you said, Christians were also involved in such acts - somebody at that time saying that Christianism is a failed religion would have been as wrong.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
No religion is perfect
it conflicts your previous statment.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
In the past Christian were also involved in such act
no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation
that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
*clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples
All these ppl had/have some idealogy like freedom from a goverment or etc but not religion. And i am refering to Muslim as a religion that has affected the world.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
And i am refering to Muslim as a religion that has affected the world.
Offcourse Islam disturbed the pillars of old religions like christianity and Judaism and their followers who had believed that world belong to them only.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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