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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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The big difference here is that each of these groups is/was mainly localised with a specific/lunatic cause against the prevailing government. Islam is spread through virtually every country around the globe and muslims commit terrorist atrocities wherever they feel they can get the best result or PR and, or so it appears, the underlying rationale is to unite the world into a single global caliphate with the world's population either muslim or dead.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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Terrorism isn't limited to a particular religion To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples I am not here to defend any particular Religion but these examples make me think that Terrorism exists in any country due to some insane fanatics..which in turns cripples the economy. -- modified at 3:44 Friday 11th August, 2006
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke
WWI happened because when someone was assassinated, the generals in various countries leap at the excuse for war. WWII happened because Hitler took advantage of the German people being downtrodden by the excessive post war demands when they lost WWI. That's one reason why the US saw the Marshall Plan as a central platform for peace.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Putting nation before religion means that have the tolerance for other religion and cultures in the nation and Islam too preaches tolerance but I think they never understood that.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion
I don't think this is necessarily true, people tend to switch nationality much easier than religion.
I was an athiest till i realised i was God :cool:
Monty2 wrote:
I don't think this is necessarily true, people tend to switch nationality much easier than religion.
being citizen first means that you respect other religion and their existance it does not matter to which contry you belong to.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
IMHO, it is a short sighted view. As you said, Christians were also involved in such acts - somebody at that time saying that Christianism is a failed religion would have been as wrong.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
No religion is perfect
it conflicts your previous statment.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
In the past Christian were also involved in such act
no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation
that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
*clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:
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QuickDeveloper wrote:
To quote a few examples 1)The World war 2 started with anarchists killing a Duke 2)The Red Brigade Army in Italy 70's 3)Baader-Meinhof Gang in Germany in 70's 4)Red Army Faction in Japan 5)LTTE in Srilanka 6)Maoists in Nepal,India These are some of the examples
All these ppl had/have some idealogy like freedom from a goverment or etc but not religion. And i am refering to Muslim as a religion that has affected the world.
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And i am refering to Muslim as a religion that has affected the world.
Offcourse Islam disturbed the pillars of old religions like christianity and Judaism and their followers who had believed that world belong to them only.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do.
Gee - I think *we* invented the crusades...
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
I believe Islam fails fundamentally in other areas, because I am a Christian. But in the Middle Ages, your logic would have meant that Christianity was a failed religion. If it failed, how can it not be failed after the fact ?
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Christian Graus wrote:
The Bible actually says that anyone who places anything before God is 'not worthy of the Kingdom'. Perhaps the real difference is that Muslims just tend to follow their religion more often than 'christians' do ?
Putting nation before religion means that have the tolerance for other religion and cultures in the nation and Islam too preaches tolerance but I think they never understood that.
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Go and make study of OT,NT and Koran then come to make statment of religins which you never heard in your life.
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
No religion is perfect
it conflicts your previous statment.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
In the past Christian were also involved in such act
no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation
that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
*clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:
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Aw, how cute. Look at little Adnan putting it to the infidels like a good, obedient little radical muslim. Tell me, did they teach you such hate for the infidel in the radicalized madrassas, or did you stumble upon that discovery in the Qu'ran all by your little self? You know, I could have sworn you were male, but it appears as though it's "your time of the month" which would make you a female. Is the water retention making you fat and testy?
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Yeah they are the only religion with this problem :)
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Christians are know for peace loving people
Yeah right :) It may be true to a degree but I can think of a few prominent Christians that seem to like a good war or two.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens.
What a load of crap. I know a lot of Muslim people that are very harmonious and proud to be Australians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the Muslims are terrorists just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
Fact? Got some stats? Islam a failed religion? How do you define the failure of a religion? They sure have a few members. I think your logic is failed.
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this is the 2nd time i gave you 5.But wht happened to Dean Jones?
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Aw, how cute. Look at little Adnan putting it to the infidels like a good, obedient little radical muslim. Tell me, did they teach you such hate for the infidel in the radicalized madrassas, or did you stumble upon that discovery in the Qu'ran all by your little self? You know, I could have sworn you were male, but it appears as though it's "your time of the month" which would make you a female. Is the water retention making you fat and testy?
did you make a study of brown's movement?
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did you make a study of brown's movement?
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
did you make a study of brown's movement?
Did you get any virgins yet? How many?
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Aw, how cute. Look at little Adnan putting it to the infidels like a good, obedient little radical muslim. Tell me, did they teach you such hate for the infidel in the radicalized madrassas, or did you stumble upon that discovery in the Qu'ran all by your little self? You know, I could have sworn you were male, but it appears as though it's "your time of the month" which would make you a female. Is the water retention making you fat and testy?
And Is this yo who is just voting me down to 1.0 on each post of mine in current thread.Right now yo re active on this forum=)
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Mr.Prakash wrote:
Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live?
Ask this question from a Christian first who believes in Christianity which came into being after death of Moses(AS).Islam is way new religion than other branches of Abrahamic faith.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
No religion is perfect
it conflicts your previous statment.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
In the past Christian were also involved in such act
no such friggin idea about 600-700 years old christians history but at that time they would also have reasons that they would have been opressed like happening with muslims today.There was no CP forum at that time otherwise one would be making similar post for Christians.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides. Fact is many muslims helped a lot to built your economy and your thankless hindu nation always gave them nothing but shit.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation
that's your ignorance and offocurse lack of knowledge.Muslims infact belive in concept of Ummah.any muslim who is in Pakistan or in USA,An american muslim is not superior than Pakistani because of his nationility.Inshort racial element doesnt exist in Islam unlike other religions on earth.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
*clap clap* on your _facts_.Dont yo wonder this _Failed_ religion is still being propagated a lot on earth even after drama attempt of 9/11 and others?:rolleyes:
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It doesnt matter at all neither its harmful.Ask a jew/zionist,he would be more inclined towards Torah than USA or anyother country where he resides.
See my post above but you are misinformed on this point. My primary loyalty (at this level) lies with the UK other than where it would conflict directly with being a Jew. For instance, if the UK were to go to war with Israel or a government elected that was anti-semitic in nature and actively persecuted Jews I'd have a dilemna. What I would never do, however and whatever the provocation, is strap a bomb round my waist and kill people or attempt to do so. On the other hand it does appear as if muslims are a group of people whose religion does transcend national loyalty and that is, in my view, dangerous.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
did you make a study of brown's movement?
Did you get any virgins yet? How many?
why are you worried about virgins?didn't you guys find any virgin at time of marriage?or you just guys used to adapt a *2nd hand stuff*? teach some moral lesson to men and women of your society so that you can also enjoy a *virgin* woman as a wife.
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my 5 to you CG. you shouldnt expect from aethist to take *GOD* as most important element in life.
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Adnan Siddiqi wrote:
you shouldnt expect from aethist to take *GOD* as most important element in life.
No, only the mujaheddin do that. That's why we're infidels, remember? Anyways, putting your radical Islam views aside, since you are a master of Brownian motion, perhaps you can tell this humble student the answer to the following question I have been struggling with during my studies of, what did you call it?, oh yeah: "Browns motion". :rolleyes: Please tell me, oh enlightened one: Assuming stochastic volatility, does Girsanov's theorem guarantee that we can eliminate the drift from Brownian motion under the equivalent martingale measure, or does it lack the Markov property making such a transform impossible? It's in the Qu'ran, so you should be able to answer this one all easy-peasy like.
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
Mr.Prakash wrote:
you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims
:laugh: good one.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
Not entirely, their nations are just built on religion.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion.
No religion is failed, each (wo)man has the right to believe what (s)he wants. It are the people themselves that failed...
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If Islam as it is believed that every word was spoken by Allah and latter written down by (illiterate) Mohammad, Then why there is so much of misunderstanding of His words? Is god not clear enough for the people to understand how they should behave and live? yeah yeah you may say that not all Muslims are terrorists but most of the terrorists are Muslims. Muslims are still on to this age old concept of crusades and killing innocent people that only barbaric people can do. No religion is perfect, In the past Christian were also involved in such acts, but now Christians are know for peace loving people. I have few Muslim friends in India, and most of us believe that we are Indian first and then comes our religion, but Muslim put their religion first and then nation. Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens. The fact that most of the terrorists are Muslims just means that Muslims is a failed religion. -- modified at 3:46 Friday 11th August, 2006
-Prakash
What a load of crap.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
most of the terrorists are Muslims
Most terrorists have coffee coloured skin and come from Asia. Lets face it, Asians are a failed race. As are coffee coloured people, they are a failed skin tone.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
but Muslim put their religion first and then nation.
That is the point of a religion you know.
Mr.Prakash wrote:
Muslim don’t belong to any nation and that is why they can never be in harmony with fellow citizens
Thats is the stupidest thing I have seen for a long time. A religion that unites countries is naturally harmonious.
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