Why Canada is on the "not like" list
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If CATS had functioned correctly those Muslims would not have been able to take their weapons onto civilian airliners. Presumably if the field report by an FBI official highlighting Muslims taking flying tuition was taken with the seriousness it deserved by FBI HQ those persons who took control of the airliners that crashed into the Twin Towers, the Pentagon and Philadelphia would have been stopped in their tracks. If CIA intelligence was acted upon, these persons would have been stopped before they entered USA territories. Hindsight is a great tool in extablishing that which worked and that which did not work, and in terms of intelligence and warnings from near and far, hindsight shows relevant failings. No doubt American Foreign Policy has for many years been anti-Muslim and pro-Israel. Perhaps a more even-handed approach may have been more fruitful to the benefit of the people of America. As such, there exists no one failing but many failings so apportioning blame solely on American Foreign Policy is not appropriate. This week I have been watching documentaries on BBC tv about 9/11 and I am truely amazed at the bravery shown by both Emergency Services and Twin Towers workers even at the expence of their own lives.
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Shog9 wrote:
Eh, why not?
Because it's bullshit is why. People should take responsibility for their own actions and not blame others for it. Two wrongs don't make a right. A simple grade-school saying, but it's true and if people the world over would understand and follow that simple truth much of the pain, anguish and suffering that there is would not exist.
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ahz wrote:
People should take responsibility for their own actions and not blame others for it.
Ya. But don't expect to see that any time soon. Scapegoating is by far the most popular sport, here and anywhere else...
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espeir wrote:
The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreign policy for the Sept. 11 attacks.
Eh, why not? I mean, it probably wasn't Quebec foreign policy, right? ;)
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Actually I think Afghanistan's foreign policy was to blame.
"I make up quotes." -Vincent Reynolds
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If Canada is on the "not like" list, exactly who is on the "like" list? Australia? The U.K. ?
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The article title is quite inflammatory. The article says: "A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks" The title is: "New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks" Taking "U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes" and changing it to "blame U.S. for 9/11" is a bit of a stretch, and not really fair.
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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If Canada is on the "not like" list, exactly who is on the "like" list? Australia? The U.K. ?
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
Australia?
Possibly, but its not largely recipricated :) and this was the case long before 9/11 or any of that shit. Its a cultural thing, Australians generally dont like the American 'in your face' way of dealing with things. Oh yeah, we also hold the US solely responsible for the current Celebrity Survivor series on TV :)
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espeir wrote:
The poll suggests that 77 per cent of Quebecers polled primarily blame American foreignpolicy for the Sept. 11 attacks. The results suggest 57 per cent in Ontario hold a similar view.
I think they're right, but not for the reasons they would suggest.
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
Australia?
Possibly, but its not largely recipricated :) and this was the case long before 9/11 or any of that shit. Its a cultural thing, Australians generally dont like the American 'in your face' way of dealing with things. Oh yeah, we also hold the US solely responsible for the current Celebrity Survivor series on TV :)
Stan, I just want you to know that I still hate Kyle more than you. - Cartman in 'Trapped in the Closet'
Yeah, I would have thought that Canada would have been on the "like" list since we've got tons of troops in Afghanistan ?!? But anyways, Canadians never really get upset with the Americans - and here is the reason why: We preemptively took some revenge by sending them people we wanted to get rid of[^]. :laugh:
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If you walk on a hornets' nest, expect to get stung. Now, in this case, those "hornets" are moral beings too, so they ought to know that it's terribly wrong to attack innocent civilians, whatever the reason. But the fact remains that, as Robert Pape has shown[^], "what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland". Granted, if they did not have the wrong response to our invasion and occupation of their land, the attacks would not have happened, but it can also be said with equal confidence that, had we not gone and "stepped on the hornets' nest", we would not have been "stung".
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Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
It was probably said in an Anti-American sentiment (which I don't agree with) but disagreeing with the phrase "War on Terror" is a logical position. "Terrorism" is a tactic. Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end. How do you ever defeat a tactic? :confused:
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Yeah, I would have thought that Canada would have been on the "like" list since we've got tons of troops in Afghanistan ?!? But anyways, Canadians never really get upset with the Americans - and here is the reason why: We preemptively took some revenge by sending them people we wanted to get rid of[^]. :laugh:
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It was probably said in an Anti-American sentiment (which I don't agree with) but disagreeing with the phrase "War on Terror" is a logical position. "Terrorism" is a tactic. Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end. How do you ever defeat a tactic? :confused:
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
"Terrorism" is a tactic. Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end.
Now you're catching on.
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If you walk on a hornets' nest, expect to get stung. Now, in this case, those "hornets" are moral beings too, so they ought to know that it's terribly wrong to attack innocent civilians, whatever the reason. But the fact remains that, as Robert Pape has shown[^], "what nearly all suicide terrorist attacks have in common is a specific secular and strategic goal: to compel modern democracies to withdraw military forces from territory that the terrorists consider to be their homeland". Granted, if they did not have the wrong response to our invasion and occupation of their land, the attacks would not have happened, but it can also be said with equal confidence that, had we not gone and "stepped on the hornets' nest", we would not have been "stung".
J. Dunlap wrote:
if they did not have the wrong response to our invasion and occupation of their land
What would your response to the invasion and occupation of the United States be?
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Ed Gadziemski wrote:
Celine Dion is the primary reason I hate Canada.
Me too! :laugh:
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
Australia?
Possibly, but its not largely recipricated :) and this was the case long before 9/11 or any of that shit. Its a cultural thing, Australians generally dont like the American 'in your face' way of dealing with things. Oh yeah, we also hold the US solely responsible for the current Celebrity Survivor series on TV :)
Stan, I just want you to know that I still hate Kyle more than you. - Cartman in 'Trapped in the Closet'
Josh Gray wrote:
we also hold the US solely responsible for the current Celebrity Survivor series on TV
I couldn't see why these celebs want to get in Celebrity Survivor. I doubt they'd get more famous after that, rather they'd be seen as desperate celebs who would do anything to be on TV. Oh, and Dicko is a dick. And no, I watched the first episode only because my friend insisted. I wish I could slap some sense into the guy who suggested this idea.
"A democracy is nothing more than mob rule, where fifty-one percent of the people may take away the rights of the other forty-nine." - Thomas Jefferson "Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote." - Benjamin Franklin Edbert Sydney, Australia
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The article title is quite inflammatory. The article says: "A majority of Canadians believe U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes that led to the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks" The title is: "New poll says most Canadians blame U.S. for 9/11 attacks" Taking "U.S. foreign policy was one of the root causes" and changing it to "blame U.S. for 9/11" is a bit of a stretch, and not really fair.
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It was probably said in an Anti-American sentiment (which I don't agree with) but disagreeing with the phrase "War on Terror" is a logical position. "Terrorism" is a tactic. Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end. How do you ever defeat a tactic? :confused:
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end
it is simply semantics. "War on Terror" may be a poor choice of words but regardless, all but the dimmest really understand what it means. of course you could say, "war on a stateless group of religous fanatics who are probably state supported and have sneaked into a number of countries and use terrorist tactics" but that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker nor in the minds of the MTV generation. and yes, it is no doubt a French continuation of, "America bad, France much better".
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Warren D Stevens wrote:
Declaring war on a tactic leaves you in war that cannot ever end
it is simply semantics. "War on Terror" may be a poor choice of words but regardless, all but the dimmest really understand what it means. of course you could say, "war on a stateless group of religous fanatics who are probably state supported and have sneaked into a number of countries and use terrorist tactics" but that doesn't fit on a bumper sticker nor in the minds of the MTV generation. and yes, it is no doubt a French continuation of, "America bad, France much better".
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
"War on Terror" may be a poor choice of words but regardless, all but the dimmest really understand what it means.
I think you may be highly overestimating the "average" person out there. There are a lot of dim people, and a good number of those that aren't dim don't follow politics very closely. A) Read these poll results (from Feb. 2005) - see Table 3 at: http://www.harrisinteractive.com/harris_poll/index.asp?PID=544[^] Q: Saddam Hussein helped plan and support the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11, 2001 (47% agree, wrongly) Q: Several of the hijackers who attacked the U.S. on September 11 were Iraqis. (44% agree, wrongly) B) Then watch GWB saying that Iraq had "Nothing" to do with 9/11: http://www.poetv.com/video.php?vid=6089[^] When something is as vague as "War on Terror", you have to be careful the government doesn't do a bait-and-switch, and use it to do any old thing it wants it to do. e.g. wiretapping everyone, invading Iraq when (according to GWB) Iraq had "Nothing" to do with 9/11, etc...
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Like we care what America thinks of Canada...besides, you are on the top of our "not like" list... :rolleyes: You see, my poll suggests that polls of Canadians opinions on Americans are flawed because polls of polls suggest that polls can be wrong and alternative polls indicated that some polls are not representative of polls of groups of individuals. Besides, if you don't play nice, we'll take our hockey players back, flood your beef market with contaminated meat and ship you tonnes upon tonnes of cheap softwood lumber and prescription drugs. We'll also hold back our clean groundwater. Anyhoo - I think in the international "not like" list, you are far above us...in fact, I know that because I am always being treated like an American - getting shouted at, criticized and interrogated about Bush. Stop fucking it up for me, would you? Enough is enough. I do my best to defend the U.S., but I'm getting a litte fed up with it. You should really thank me for being your foreign ambassador as I actually do take alot of abuse.