Would you accepting me?
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Hello After all the posts I've read the last two days about terrorism and Islam. I have 5 questions: I'm a moderate bearded muslim who do not endorse terrorism -as many other muslims-. If I ever travel to a westren country to work/study: 1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour? 2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs? 3- Would you give me a chance to express my point of view? 4- Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-? 5- Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Regards:rose:
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Irregardless of anything else, if your point of view even slightly endorses (or apologizes) extremism or terrorism, you automatically become a target for me.
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Not true. If there is more than one god, then none of these gods is all-powerful and, therefore, there is a God higher up than all of them. So in actuality, there can only be one God or none. I believe in one.
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Not true. If there is more than one god, then none of these gods is all-powerful and, therefore, there is a God higher up than all of them.
That's just your belief. There's no given rule that the top-most god-like entity has to be singular - it can be a dual-entity and the dual-entity can be all-powerful with nothing above it.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
So in actuality, there can only be one God or none. I believe in one.
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic. You say "there can only be" as if that's fact, and then follow it up with "I believe in one". That's what they all say - Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc.
Regards, Nish
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I am from India, but since I live in a Western country, I'll answer you :-)
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
Yep, if I got that opportunity, then yes.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
Nope.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
3- Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, though I'd argue with you if you tried to defend their actions (which I doubt you will).
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
4- Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Yes, I will.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
5- Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Never. Note : I am an atheist (not a Hindu like most Indians are).
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Note : I am an atheist (not a Hindu like most Indians are).
I thought you could be an Atheist Hindu? There was a long tradition of Atheism in India, with groups that sound very much like the Greek epicurists.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Note : I am an atheist (not a Hindu like most Indians are).
I thought you could be an Atheist Hindu? There was a long tradition of Atheism in India, with groups that sound very much like the Greek epicurists.
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
I thought you could be an Atheist Hindu?
Yeah, but that uses the word "Hindu" in a cultural sense - and not in a religious sense. Traditional Indian cultural patterns can be termed as Hindu culture (without including a god-concept and the Hindu religious epics into it). In that sense, I may be a Hindu - but minus the god/religion.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
There was a long tradition of Atheism in India, with groups that sound very much like the Greek epicurists.
I am not aware of this. Got any links please?
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
I would blame you if did not see it as a manifestation of your culture and religion. Terrorism caused by Islamic extremists is the reponsibility of all Muslims, just as the terror of Fascism was the responsibility of all westerners.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you hate me for being a muslim?
I would hate you for being a cowardly Muslim if you accepted Islamic terrorism as just something done by a "few" "evil" Muslims. As a Muslim stopping Islamic terrorism should be your highest priority.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
As a Muslim stopping Islamic terrorism should be your highest priority.
I disagree. His life/career/family should be higher priorities. Else, by taking the generalization one higher level, as a human being, stooping human terrorism should be every human's highest priority. And clearly that'd be a very dumb way to live life.
Regards, Nish
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
I thought you could be an Atheist Hindu?
Yeah, but that uses the word "Hindu" in a cultural sense - and not in a religious sense. Traditional Indian cultural patterns can be termed as Hindu culture (without including a god-concept and the Hindu religious epics into it). In that sense, I may be a Hindu - but minus the god/religion.
Ryan Roberts wrote:
There was a long tradition of Atheism in India, with groups that sound very much like the Greek epicurists.
I am not aware of this. Got any links please?
Regards, Nish
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Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Carvaka[^]. They sound like my kind of people :) It's always nice to know that atheism is at least as old as monotheism. (edit, bodged link)
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
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Stan Shannon wrote:
As a Muslim stopping Islamic terrorism should be your highest priority.
I disagree. His life/career/family should be higher priorities. Else, by taking the generalization one higher level, as a human being, stooping human terrorism should be every human's highest priority. And clearly that'd be a very dumb way to live life.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
His life/career/family should be higher priorities. Else, by taking the generalization one higher level, as a human being, stooping human terrorism should be every human's highest priority. And clearly that'd be a very dumb way to live life.
It should be treated exactly the same way we treat fascism, racism, etc, within our own society. We put our highest social priorities on suppressing it when it begins to grow. Any Muslim who does not do the same thing with terrorism is no better than the terrorists themselves.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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hi, i think there are not accepted you(not you in this case musliman) because they thinks musliman/pak/india peoples r terrists
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crikey, that was well said.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
His life/career/family should be higher priorities. Else, by taking the generalization one higher level, as a human being, stooping human terrorism should be every human's highest priority. And clearly that'd be a very dumb way to live life.
It should be treated exactly the same way we treat fascism, racism, etc, within our own society. We put our highest social priorities on suppressing it when it begins to grow. Any Muslim who does not do the same thing with terrorism is no better than the terrorists themselves.
Thank God for disproportional force.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Any Muslim who does not do the same thing with terrorism is no better than the terrorists themselves.
Yes, but then it does not mean that a non-Muslim can shed responsibility. Non-Muslims should treat terrorism the same way they treat other evils like racism.
Regards, Nish
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Carvaka[^]. They sound like my kind of people :) It's always nice to know that atheism is at least as old as monotheism. (edit, bodged link)
Ryan
"Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette
Ryan Roberts wrote:
Carvaka[^]. They sound like my kind of people It's always nice to know that atheism is at least as old as monotheism.
Thanks for the link. Very cool. I also found this one : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atheism_in_Hinduism[^]. But looks like WikiPedia has decided to delete it - probably some fanatic Hindus demanded that it be deleted!
Ryan Roberts wrote:
(edit, bodged link)
You only fixed the first link, the [^] link which I tried first was still bad. It's okay - just mentioned it :-)
Regards, Nish
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
If you think Christians are unclean, and wouldnt let them in your house then you can fuck off. If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also fuck off. Basically, if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live your life in the greater world, you are OK. If not then dont come to my country.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
No. But you would have to condemn the act.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, that is what the civilised west is all about.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Of course.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Of course not. If you hated Jews or christians though, then I would hate you for being an ignorant prick. -- modified at 8:03 Friday 8th September, 2006
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also f*** off.
Dude, beer drinking pagans are unclean...
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fat_boy wrote:
If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also f*** off.
Dude, beer drinking pagans are unclean...
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fat_boy wrote:
Hey, I'm not unclean!
Look man, I'm a beer drinking pagan and I'm constantly covered in beer and other assorted filth! If there's one thing I know, it's beer-drinking paganism!
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I am from India, but since I live in a Western country, I'll answer you :-)
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
Yep, if I got that opportunity, then yes.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
Nope.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
3- Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, though I'd argue with you if you tried to defend their actions (which I doubt you will).
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
4- Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Yes, I will.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
5- Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Never. Note : I am an atheist (not a Hindu like most Indians are).
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Hello Thanks Nishant for your kind reply. I really hope we meet one day. I've always admired your replies in the forums.
Regards:rose:
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Nader Elshehabi wrote:
1- Would you accept me as a friend/colleague/neighbour?
If you think Christians are unclean, and wouldnt let them in your house then you can fuck off. If you think beer drinking pagans are unclean then you can also fuck off. Basically, if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live your life in the greater world, you are OK. If not then dont come to my country.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
2- Would you blame me if a terrorist action -committed by a muslim- occurs?
No. But you would have to condemn the act.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you give me a chance to express my point of view?
Yes, that is what the civilised west is all about.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you trust me -if I'm trustworthy of course-?
Of course.
Nader Elshehabi wrote:
Would you hate me for being a muslim?
Of course not. If you hated Jews or christians though, then I would hate you for being an ignorant prick. -- modified at 8:03 Friday 8th September, 2006
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Hello
fat_boy wrote:
If you think Christians are unclean
I don't!! What do you think about muslims??
fat_boy wrote:
if you keep your religion in the box, and dont let it negatively affect the way you live
On the contrary!! My religion tells me not to mistreat/disrespect anyone even if he/she is a non-muslim.
Regards:rose:
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ahz wrote:
except that chance has nothing to do with it.
What do you mean?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ahz wrote: except that chance has nothing to do with it. What do you mean?
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
ahz wrote: except that chance has nothing to do with it. What do you mean?
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
ahz wrote:
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Okay, so are you saying that some higher entity created a god and got that god to create us?
Regards, Nish
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Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
Not true. If there is more than one god, then none of these gods is all-powerful and, therefore, there is a God higher up than all of them.
That's just your belief. There's no given rule that the top-most god-like entity has to be singular - it can be a dual-entity and the dual-entity can be all-powerful with nothing above it.
Bassam Abdul-Baki wrote:
So in actuality, there can only be one God or none. I believe in one.
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic. You say "there can only be" as if that's fact, and then follow it up with "I believe in one". That's what they all say - Christians, Hindus, Muslims etc.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)Nishant Sivakumar wrote:
Bassam, for someone who I believe is a very rational person, you are now talking pretty much like a religious fanatic
I think he is being rational, very rational. And you're being very judgmental and name-calling. I think he was speaking from a logical viewpoint. First if you define god as an all-powerful being, and then say there is more than one god, then there must needds be a "head" god and that head god would naturally be the more powerful one, more powerful than all the rest. If that head-god then is more powerful, then the other, lower gods are not all-powerful, making them non-gods. Therefore, there is only one god, or none.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
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ahz wrote:
That God (and thereby us) didn't arrive by chance.
Okay, so are you saying that some higher entity created a god and got that god to create us?
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. Also visit the Ultimate Toolbox blog (New)No, I am saying that God and we have always existed, all-be-it, not in our present form. We are all eternal beings. We are spiritual, eternal beings have a mortal experience on our way back to heaven.
Silence is the voice of complicity. Strange women lying in ponds distributing swords is no basis for a system of government. -- monty python Might I suggest that the universe was always the size of the cosmos. It is just that at one point the cosmos was the size of a marble. -- Colin Angus Mackay
