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  • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

    Yes, and I'm proud of it. What's your point?

    -- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!

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    Red Stateler
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    How could you have anything to say or do about it?


    "You act like jew." -Score: 1.0 (3 votes).

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    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

      The National Democratic Party comfortably exceeded the 5 % hurdle necessary to win seats. It will now sit in the state's regional assembly in Schwerin for the first time.[^] :doh:

      This morning's German papers, reporting on the poll and yesterday's election in Berlin, gave a gloomy reaction. Der Tagesspeigel said there was no point in pretending that the NPD's voters - most of them under the age of 30 - had somehow been tricked into voting for a bunch of unashamed racists. "Whoever voted for this party, knew what they were doing," the paper said.

      Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Dumbest. Movie. Title. Evaaar. The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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      Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

      Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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      • L Lost User

        Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

        Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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        Allah On Acid
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        fat_boy wrote:

        Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that.

        Very well said.

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        • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

          WTF!? Hello Germans? Are you there? Are you awake?!

          -- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!

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          Rob Graham
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          Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

          Hello Germans? Are you there? Are you awake?!

          It would appear that they are re-awakening X|.

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          • L Lost User

            Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

            Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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            Rob Graham
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            fat_boy wrote:

            Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that.

            The decay, or the complaining?

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            • L Lost User

              Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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              Judah Gabriel Himango
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              Rather than indulge in your flame invitation, I'd like to point out some comic relief: have a look at the Wikipedia page on NPD[^]. I had to laugh at their list of heralded leaders:

              • Adolf Hitler 1919– 1945
              • Racist Bastard I [[1945 – 1964
              • Racist Bastard II 1964–1967
              • Racist Bastard III 1967–1971
              • Racist Bastard IV 1971–1990
              • Racist Bastard V 1991–1996
              • Racist Bastard VI 1996–present

              Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Dumbest. Movie. Title. Evaaar. The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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              • L Lost User

                Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

                Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                Rob Graham
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                fat_boy wrote:

                the right wing

                I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing" maybe extreme left wing, certainly statist, racist and collectivist, but hardly conservative or right-wing.

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                  Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

                  Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                  led mike
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                  fat_boy wrote:

                  Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why?

                  :wtf:

                  fat_boy wrote:

                  Is it a bad thing?

                  :omg:

                  fat_boy wrote:

                  Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster.

                  Yeah, politics based on racism has worked so well in the past.

                  "I've found that the shortcomings of human nature have little to do with nationality."
                  Christopher Duncan in the Lounge

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                  • R Rob Graham

                    fat_boy wrote:

                    the right wing

                    I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing" maybe extreme left wing, certainly statist, racist and collectivist, but hardly conservative or right-wing.

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                    Mike Gaskey
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                    Rob Graham wrote:

                    right-wing

                    Rob Graham wrote:

                    left wing

                    the meanings in Europe are the opposite of what the terms mean in the US of A

                    Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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                    • J Judah Gabriel Himango

                      The National Democratic Party comfortably exceeded the 5 % hurdle necessary to win seats. It will now sit in the state's regional assembly in Schwerin for the first time.[^] :doh:

                      This morning's German papers, reporting on the poll and yesterday's election in Berlin, gave a gloomy reaction. Der Tagesspeigel said there was no point in pretending that the NPD's voters - most of them under the age of 30 - had somehow been tricked into voting for a bunch of unashamed racists. "Whoever voted for this party, knew what they were doing," the paper said.

                      Tech, life, family, faith: Give me a visit. I'm currently blogging about: Dumbest. Movie. Title. Evaaar. The apostle Paul, modernly speaking: Epistles of Paul Judah Himango

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                      Nasty. The racist nationalist parties will be making a return all over Europe before long. 3 guesses why.

                      Ryan

                      "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                      • M Mike Gaskey

                        Rob Graham wrote:

                        right-wing

                        Rob Graham wrote:

                        left wing

                        the meanings in Europe are the opposite of what the terms mean in the US of A

                        Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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                        Wjousts
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                        Mike Gaskey wrote:

                        the meanings in Europe are the opposite of what the terms mean in the US of A

                        No they're not.

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                        • R Rob Graham

                          fat_boy wrote:

                          the right wing

                          I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing" maybe extreme left wing, certainly statist, racist and collectivist, but hardly conservative or right-wing.

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                          Wjousts
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                          Rob Graham wrote:

                          I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing"

                          Then clearly you don't understand the term. Just because the Nazis happened to have the word "socialism" in their name doesn't make them socialist. It's just one of history's little ironies.

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                            Nasty. The racist nationalist parties will be making a return all over Europe before long. 3 guesses why.

                            Ryan

                            "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                            led mike
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                            Ryan Roberts wrote:

                            3 guesses why.

                            I only need one thanks to Christopher Duncan.

                            "I've found that the shortcomings of human nature have little to do with nationality."
                            Christopher Duncan in the Lounge

                            led mike

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                              Just because they are right wing you call them Nazis? Why? Was Thatcher a Nazi? How about Pin Fortyne? How about Vlams Block? Front Nationale? edit-> Europe is moving to the right. It is only the spectre of Nazism that stops it moving faster. Le Pen (Front National in France) came second to Chirac in the run offs in 2001. Sweden yesterday elected a right wing government. Vlams Bloc has over 30% of the vote in northern Belgium. Holland elected Pin Firtuyne to power. Is it a bad thing? Many here complain about Islam, and the decay of western culture, the right wing will lessen that. <-edit

                              Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception

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                              Ryan Roberts
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                              fat_boy wrote:

                              Pin Firtuyne

                              Pim Fortuyn was not "far right", he was a social liberal, economic moderate and garish populist. He once debated a prominent dutch imam on live television, Pim flaunted his homosexuality, said imam snapped and went into a frothing at the mouth homophobic rant amply demonstrating his opponents point. That pretty much sums up the mans position. He was smeared as a Nazi (not least by the BBC) and killed by a crazed hippie who believed he was doing the right thing: "I confess to the shooting. He was an ever growing danger who would affect many people in society. I saw it as a danger. I hoped that I could solve it myself."

                              Ryan

                              "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                              • W Wjousts

                                Rob Graham wrote:

                                I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing"

                                Then clearly you don't understand the term. Just because the Nazis happened to have the word "socialism" in their name doesn't make them socialist. It's just one of history's little ironies.

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                                Rob Graham
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                                Wjousts wrote:

                                doesn't make them socialist.

                                Since a basic premise of their philosophy is absolute detication to the state, and complete state control of the economy, I would say that they were indeed socialist. Left-wing does not preclude rasist, nor does right-wing imply it.

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                                  Wjousts wrote:

                                  doesn't make them socialist.

                                  Since a basic premise of their philosophy is absolute detication to the state, and complete state control of the economy, I would say that they were indeed socialist. Left-wing does not preclude rasist, nor does right-wing imply it.

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                                  Ryan Roberts
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                                  The Nazis consciously wished to create an unequal society while maintaining existing commercial structures.. Something which isn't present in socialist rhetoric (if not practice). The command economy and statism fits though.

                                  Ryan

                                  "Michael Moore and Mel Gibson are the same person, except for a few sit-ups. Moore thought his cheesy political blooper reel was going to tell people how to vote. Mel thought that his little gay SM movie about his imaginary friend was going to help him get to heaven." - Penn Jillette

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                                  • W Wjousts

                                    Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                    the meanings in Europe are the opposite of what the terms mean in the US of A

                                    No they're not.

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                                    Mike Gaskey
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                                    yes they are

                                    Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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                                    • W Wjousts

                                      Rob Graham wrote:

                                      I find it difficult to think of National Socialism as "right-wing"

                                      Then clearly you don't understand the term. Just because the Nazis happened to have the word "socialism" in their name doesn't make them socialist. It's just one of history's little ironies.

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                                      kgaddy
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                                      Not really true. Hitler was every much anti-capitalist. Germany, being in a bad depression, gravitated toward state control and socialism.

                                      My mom told me once that "while we all don't speak the same language, everyone in the world undestands an asskicking"

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                                      • J Jorgen Sigvardsson

                                        Not if I have something to say/do about it!

                                        -- Mit viel Oktan und frei von Blei, eine Kraftstoff wie Benziiiiiiin!

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                                        Allah On Acid
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                                        Jörgen Sigvardsson wrote:

                                        Not if I have something to say/do about it!

                                        Are you going to use your Shorinji Kempo kenshi powers to stop it?

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                                        • M Mike Gaskey

                                          yes they are

                                          Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.

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                                          Wjousts
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                                          Mike Gaskey wrote:

                                          yes they are

                                          No they aren't. The terms originated in France and they mean the same thing in Europe as they do in the US.

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