Lieberman pulls ahead
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Yeah, I think the fact that the repubs pulled support for their own candidate had sumfin to do with it to.
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Yeah, I think the fact that the repubs pulled support for their own candidate had sumfin to do with it to.
Jim A. Johnson wrote:
Yeah, I think the fact that the repubs pulled support for their own candidate had sumfin to do with it to.
I think having a choice between a right wing, left wing and centrist candidate has more to do with it.
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Jim A. Johnson wrote:
Yeah, I think the fact that the repubs pulled support for their own candidate had sumfin to do with it to.
I think having a choice between a right wing, left wing and centrist candidate has more to do with it.
Rob Graham wrote:
I think having a choice between a right wing, left wing and centrist candidate has more to do with it.
The Republican candidate is at 6% according to the poll, so the "right wing candidate" hardly matters. Lieberman has right wing support and the advantages of incumbency. No doubt he has the centre as well.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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Rob Graham wrote:
I think having a choice between a right wing, left wing and centrist candidate has more to do with it.
The Republican candidate is at 6% according to the poll, so the "right wing candidate" hardly matters. Lieberman has right wing support and the advantages of incumbency. No doubt he has the centre as well.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
So, it would appear that moderate republicans and centrists prefer a moderate democrat over a conservative republican while democrats would only support an anti-war candidate. No wonder they remain in the minority.
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So, it would appear that moderate republicans and centrists prefer a moderate democrat over a conservative republican while democrats would only support an anti-war candidate. No wonder they remain in the minority.
Rob Graham wrote:
So, it would appear that moderate republicans and centrists prefer a moderate democrat over a conservative republican while democrats would only support an anti-war candidate. No wonder they remain in the minority.
I was including some Democrats among the centrists. The fact that many Democrats prefer an anti-war candidate over a pro-war candidate is hardly remarkable and I don't see how it gives any insight at all into why Democrats are, at the moment, in the minority. Bush has been thoroughly discredited and Lieberman along with him on the most important issue of the day. Lieberman's record on domestic policy issues is more progressive than his foreign policy record, which no doubt is the main reason why some Democrats are sticking with him.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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Yeah, I think the fact that the repubs pulled support for their own candidate had sumfin to do with it to.
Its shameful the way the republicans supported Lieberman over their own candidate. Schlesinger is precisely the kind of conservative the republicans need more of. It would be far better for the conservative movement to let an extremist lefty win over Lieberman while supporting a true conservative.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Rob Graham wrote:
So, it would appear that moderate republicans and centrists prefer a moderate democrat over a conservative republican while democrats would only support an anti-war candidate. No wonder they remain in the minority.
I was including some Democrats among the centrists. The fact that many Democrats prefer an anti-war candidate over a pro-war candidate is hardly remarkable and I don't see how it gives any insight at all into why Democrats are, at the moment, in the minority. Bush has been thoroughly discredited and Lieberman along with him on the most important issue of the day. Lieberman's record on domestic policy issues is more progressive than his foreign policy record, which no doubt is the main reason why some Democrats are sticking with him.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
They are in the minority because the majority of voters don't agree with their position.
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They are in the minority because the majority of voters don't agree with their position.
Rob Graham wrote:
They are in the minority because the majority of voters don't agree with their position.
Profound. What other gems do you have? "Up is up because is isn't down"? Sometimes the Republicans are in a majority and sometimes the Democrats are. In a couple of weeks, I think you will see a change on that score.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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Rob Graham wrote:
They are in the minority because the majority of voters don't agree with their position.
Profound. What other gems do you have? "Up is up because is isn't down"? Sometimes the Republicans are in a majority and sometimes the Democrats are. In a couple of weeks, I think you will see a change on that score.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
You may be correct, the democrats have a chance of thaking control of one or both houses of congress. But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again. Frankly, I would be glad for a reasonable replacement to the Republican majority. Unfortunately a reasonable alternative is not what the democrats offer.
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You may be correct, the democrats have a chance of thaking control of one or both houses of congress. But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again. Frankly, I would be glad for a reasonable replacement to the Republican majority. Unfortunately a reasonable alternative is not what the democrats offer.
Rob Graham wrote:
Unfortunately a reasonable alternative is not what the democrats offer.
Not from a Republican perspective anyway.
John Carson "All Mr. Bush and his party can do at this point is demonize their opposition. And my guess is that the public won’t go for it, that Americans are fed up with leadership that has nothing to hope for but fear itself." Paul Krugman
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You may be correct, the democrats have a chance of thaking control of one or both houses of congress. But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again. Frankly, I would be glad for a reasonable replacement to the Republican majority. Unfortunately a reasonable alternative is not what the democrats offer.
Rob Graham wrote:
But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again.
I'm sure you'll be there to do your part. If there's one thing the Republicans have become good at is winning elections. No matter how much they've screwed up, they manage to convince people that holding them accountable (by voting them out of office) is simply not an option. Alvaro
God existing isn't entirely impossible, but there's absolutely no evidence for it, so... the personal God as described by the Christian Bible existing is just as likely as a Pink Unicorn having created the universe, oh.. say... last Thursday. It's equally possible the moon has a core made of cheese. It's equally possible this sentence is in Spanish when you're not looking. - Someone on the Internet
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Rob Graham wrote:
But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again.
I'm sure you'll be there to do your part. If there's one thing the Republicans have become good at is winning elections. No matter how much they've screwed up, they manage to convince people that holding them accountable (by voting them out of office) is simply not an option. Alvaro
God existing isn't entirely impossible, but there's absolutely no evidence for it, so... the personal God as described by the Christian Bible existing is just as likely as a Pink Unicorn having created the universe, oh.. say... last Thursday. It's equally possible the moon has a core made of cheese. It's equally possible this sentence is in Spanish when you're not looking. - Someone on the Internet
When they employ tactics such as this[^] is it any suprise?
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Rob Graham wrote:
But then they had every chance of thaking the last presidential election and managed to self-destruct, and there is still time for them to do so again.
I'm sure you'll be there to do your part. If there's one thing the Republicans have become good at is winning elections. No matter how much they've screwed up, they manage to convince people that holding them accountable (by voting them out of office) is simply not an option. Alvaro
God existing isn't entirely impossible, but there's absolutely no evidence for it, so... the personal God as described by the Christian Bible existing is just as likely as a Pink Unicorn having created the universe, oh.. say... last Thursday. It's equally possible the moon has a core made of cheese. It's equally possible this sentence is in Spanish when you're not looking. - Someone on the Internet
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'm sure you'll be there to do your part.
Actually, I plan on voting for any Libertarian candidates I can find.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
they manage to convince people that holding them accountable (by voting them out of office) is simply not an option.
A large part of the problem is the lack of a suitable alternative.
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When they employ tactics such as this[^] is it any suprise?
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
When they employ tactics such as this[^] is it any suprise?
OMG! Everyone be afraid of the evil fear mongering republicans! :laugh: You are correct though, if I have two choices, a) being made afraid of fanatic terrorists trying to kill me, or b) being made afraid of my own countrymen and my way of life - I think I'll choose option a.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Alvaro Mendez wrote:
I'm sure you'll be there to do your part.
Actually, I plan on voting for any Libertarian candidates I can find.
Alvaro Mendez wrote:
they manage to convince people that holding them accountable (by voting them out of office) is simply not an option.
A large part of the problem is the lack of a suitable alternative.
Rob Graham wrote:
I plan on voting for any Libertarian candidates I can find.
That's probably a good idea. More people should do that. Your political system needs to be shaken up a little. A wake up call for the people in charge. :)
-- If not entertaining, write your congressman
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David Wulff wrote:
When they employ tactics such as this[^] is it any suprise?
OMG! Everyone be afraid of the evil fear mongering republicans! :laugh: You are correct though, if I have two choices, a) being made afraid of fanatic terrorists trying to kill me, or b) being made afraid of my own countrymen and my way of life - I think I'll choose option a.
Thank God for disproportional force.
You totally missed the point there Stan. Do you not find it slightly disturbing that a political party is putting such material on your televisions to get you to vote for them? How different is this from the propoganda in Germany in the 1930s?
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You totally missed the point there Stan. Do you not find it slightly disturbing that a political party is putting such material on your televisions to get you to vote for them? How different is this from the propoganda in Germany in the 1930s?
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10 PRINT 'HELLO MAINTAINER: GOTO HELLDavid Wulff wrote:
How different is this from the propoganda in Germany in the 1930s?
it safe to assume that there are in fact terrorists are actually trying to take on America but there was no threat to Germany in the 1930s? that makes it a factual presentation versus propaganda, no?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Rob Graham wrote:
I plan on voting for any Libertarian candidates I can find.
That's probably a good idea. More people should do that. Your political system needs to be shaken up a little. A wake up call for the people in charge. :)
-- If not entertaining, write your congressman
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Your political system needs to be shaken up a little.
Yep. Time for a change. Both major parties are failing us, time to give someone else a chance, or at least send a meaningful message. And there are Libertarian candidates for about half the open posts in my State, including most of the important ones.
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David Wulff wrote:
How different is this from the propoganda in Germany in the 1930s?
it safe to assume that there are in fact terrorists are actually trying to take on America but there was no threat to Germany in the 1930s? that makes it a factual presentation versus propaganda, no?
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
that makes it a factual presentation versus propaganda, no
That was not my question. The point was, getting people to vote for you by implying, strongly, that they will be murdered if they don't is less than 100% truthfull.
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