So, the US and Iraq. What do you rekon?
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
illegal invasion isn't it?
Not to be nit-picky here ... but who determines "legal" in terms of world politics?
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CNN and the BBC.
Ryan
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fat_boy wrote:
I give it a month, then it gets split into three regions
$10 says you're wrong.
fat_boy wrote:
With 80 US troops dead so far this month, the US is heading for a thousand dead a year
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths, no change unless we elect cowards on 11-7.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
This "war" is being waged in the name of fighting terrorism, and the terrorism body count is also far exceeded by traffic deaths. Why didn't we invade Detroit?
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
This "war" is being waged in the name of fighting terrorism, and the terrorism body count is also far exceeded by traffic deaths. Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Oh don't be silly. Everyone knows that the Auto Industry lobby is far more powerful than the Defense Industry's. :rolleyes:
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
This "war" is being waged in the name of fighting terrorism, and the terrorism body count is also far exceeded by traffic deaths. Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Perhaps because murder and death aren't quite the same things?
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
This "war" is being waged in the name of fighting terrorism, and the terrorism body count is also far exceeded by traffic deaths. Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Why didn't we invade Detroit?
liberals would bitch.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpas
Erm, an illegal invasion isn't it? It's certainly not a war.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Why didn't we invade Detroit?
Perhaps because murder and death aren't quite the same things?
Red Stateler wrote:
Perhaps because murder and death aren't quite the same things?
Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
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Wasn't it something like the Geneva convention? There plenty of web resource out there just Google for "supreme war crime".
AndyKEnZ wrote:
Wasn't it something like the Geneva convention? There plenty of web resource out there just Google for "supreme war crime".
Only the losers in war are subjected to such regulations. The Geneva Convention was an agreement between nations to not use certain tactics during war ... and it is violated regularly by almost every signer.
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What on earth is an "illegal invasion" and why would it mean it's not a war?
if a 25 year old beats up a 2 year old, you don't call it a fight, do you?
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CNN and the BBC.
Ryan
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Ryan Roberts wrote:
CNN and the BBC.
Ah, yes ... lets have the media determine the legality of actions. :sigh:
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Red Stateler wrote:
Perhaps because murder and death aren't quite the same things?
Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
Mike's was a comparison of magnitude whereas yours was a comparison of justification.
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Vincent Reynolds wrote:
Why didn't we invade Detroit?
liberals would bitch.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
liberals would bitch.
Since when has liberal bitching had any affect on what this administration does?
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Zac Howland wrote:
The US and the UN need to back out and let them duke out their own problems
And thus they and up with another Sadam.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
And you end up with the government you deserve. The same is true for all societies.
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if a 25 year old beats up a 2 year old, you don't call it a fight, do you?
That probably means something, but I'm not sure what.
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How so? Trying to get them to cooperate hasn't worked for centuries. Saddam only kept the country together by killing those that opposed him. We can either set up a government to do the same thing (not likely and not much of an improvement), or let them behave like 15-year-old males fighting over a girl: make the playing field as even as possible and let them take out their aggression with as little interference as possible. No outside force is ever going to settle their tribal disputes peacefully.
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Mike's was a comparison of magnitude whereas yours was a comparison of justification.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
This is war...
Justification...
Mike Gaskey wrote:
...and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths
...and magnitude.
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With civil war beckoning, I would suggest that all foreign armed forces withdrew from Iraq and let the Iraqis have their civil war. At the conclusion of that civil war we will need to establish our responses to whatever situation we find. By keeping UK & USA armed forces there is just delaying the inevitable whilst still suffering unnecessary daily casualties. The only strong man in Iraq was its former President. But he is no longer all powerful, but he could have been the person to pull together Iraq but that would not be permitted by external politicals.
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
its former President
Defined by what? A rigged election?
Richard A. Abbott wrote:
he could have been the person to pull together Iraq
He had years to try it and all it got was him with all the money and his people wasting away as sick, skinny oppressed slaves.
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fat_boy wrote:
I give it a month, then it gets split into three regions
$10 says you're wrong.
fat_boy wrote:
With 80 US troops dead so far this month, the US is heading for a thousand dead a year
This is war and the count is far surpassed by traffic deaths, no change unless we elect cowards on 11-7.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Vincent Reynolds: My opposition is as enlightened as your support, jackass. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
no change unless we elect cowards on 11-7.
No change, is that what you want? Are things going so well that we shouldn't change them? What kind of change are the wingnuts prophetizing the "cowards" would bring? Alvaro
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How so? Trying to get them to cooperate hasn't worked for centuries. Saddam only kept the country together by killing those that opposed him. We can either set up a government to do the same thing (not likely and not much of an improvement), or let them behave like 15-year-old males fighting over a girl: make the playing field as even as possible and let them take out their aggression with as little interference as possible. No outside force is ever going to settle their tribal disputes peacefully.
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Zac Howland wrote:
Trying to get them to cooperate hasn't worked for centuries
Agreed.
Zac Howland wrote:
outside force is ever going to settle their tribal disputes peacefully.
Agreed. The problem I have is that they have shown, as most countries in that part of the world have shown over the years, that even by staying out of it you can end up branded as an aggressor and end up being pulled in.
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Zac Howland wrote:
Trying to get them to cooperate hasn't worked for centuries
Agreed.
Zac Howland wrote:
outside force is ever going to settle their tribal disputes peacefully.
Agreed. The problem I have is that they have shown, as most countries in that part of the world have shown over the years, that even by staying out of it you can end up branded as an aggressor and end up being pulled in.
Ray Cassick wrote:
The problem I have is that they have shown, as most countries in that part of the world have shown over the years, that even by staying out of it you can end up branded as an aggressor and end up being pulled in.
You really can't help what propaghanda they try to push. All we can do is try to let them settle their own disputes. If we let our country get involved in mediating every other country's problems, we will never have time to fix our own (nor will their problems ever get fixed either).
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