How does banning work?
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You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look - AFAIK, those numbers are based on periodic survey results rather than raw sign-ons.
Dang, beat me to it. I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look - AFAIK, those numbers are based on periodic survey results rather than raw sign-ons.
Shog9 wrote:
You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look
Okay, it says 2.9 million "unique" visitors each month with 5.8 million user sessions (each visitor comes, on the average, twice a month). But what do they mean by unique? IP address? Email address? They say there are only 366,000 "opt-in email subscribers" so it's probably not email address. At least not verified ones. And there are only 17.9 million pages served per month - meaning each user (on the average) sees only six pages per month. That's not much when the flashing ads are shared between many advertisers. Besides, I'm a nobody newbie here and I've been served at least 150 pages this evening just clicking around the forums. And I think it would be hard to complete a search for an article on a particular subject and then read it with only six page serves. I'm just having trouble getting these numbers to add up. Help?
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Dang, beat me to it. I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
Steve Echols wrote:
I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
But is it the same 10,000 over and over, or is it all 3.5 million in rotation? Makes a difference in potential sales (1% of 3.5 million is 35,000 :); 1% of 10,000 is only 100, which won't even pay for the ads :().
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Steve Echols wrote:
I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
But is it the same 10,000 over and over, or is it all 3.5 million in rotation? Makes a difference in potential sales (1% of 3.5 million is 35,000 :); 1% of 10,000 is only 100, which won't even pay for the ads :().
I'd say, no, it's not the same 10,000 over and over, but there are definitely regulars, who might get sick of your ad and talk about it, which is even more exposure. :) If you're really going for the masses, you'll have to diversify and place ads in a lot of different places (magazines, other websites, etc). Don't rely on one site.
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look - AFAIK, those numbers are based on periodic survey results rather than raw sign-ons.
Shog9 wrote:
You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look
And here's another curious one. According to those "surveys", "More than 60% of CodeProject.com readers - over 1.1 million individuals - use .NET (June 2005)." But every survey I can find on the home page has less than 150 people responding! How did they get "1.1 million individuals" to provide such detailed information, including household income, etc? Or are they just taking the numbers off the check boxes on the sign-up sheet (which, incidently, I didn't pay any attention to)?
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Dang, beat me to it. I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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Shog9 wrote:
You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look
Okay, it says 2.9 million "unique" visitors each month with 5.8 million user sessions (each visitor comes, on the average, twice a month). But what do they mean by unique? IP address? Email address? They say there are only 366,000 "opt-in email subscribers" so it's probably not email address. At least not verified ones. And there are only 17.9 million pages served per month - meaning each user (on the average) sees only six pages per month. That's not much when the flashing ads are shared between many advertisers. Besides, I'm a nobody newbie here and I've been served at least 150 pages this evening just clicking around the forums. And I think it would be hard to complete a search for an article on a particular subject and then read it with only six page serves. I'm just having trouble getting these numbers to add up. Help?
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Steve Echols wrote:
so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
There are ads here? :omg:
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance.
:laugh: Maybe I should have phrased that "might be seen".
- S 50 cups of coffee and you know it's on!
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In another thread (http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1742657&forumid=2605#xx1742657xx[^]), someone named Christian Gauss threatened to talk to Chris someone about banning someone else from the site (perhaps Trollslayer, though I wasn't sure where the message was orignially hung). Does that work? Doesn't the offender just sign up with a new name and fake email a few minutes later?
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Member #3507681 wrote:
Help?
Since i don't have any inside information on all this, i'll just suggest you send an email to the biz people[^] and let them give you a solid answer. :)
Shog9 wrote:
Since i don't have any inside information on all this, i'll just suggest you send an email to the biz people[^] and let them give you a solid answer.
Thanks. But I just don't trust the guy who's selling the ads to be completely honest with me :). I just wondered if the figures looked kosher to you.
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In another thread (http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1742657&forumid=2605#xx1742657xx[^]), someone named Christian Gauss threatened to talk to Chris someone about banning someone else from the site (perhaps Trollslayer, though I wasn't sure where the message was orignially hung). Does that work? Doesn't the offender just sign up with a new name and fake email a few minutes later?
Yes, I was kidding. Sorry, if that was not clear.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Steve Echols wrote:
I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
But is it the same 10,000 over and over, or is it all 3.5 million in rotation? Makes a difference in potential sales (1% of 3.5 million is 35,000 :); 1% of 10,000 is only 100, which won't even pay for the ads :().
Realistically, if you have questions about advertising, the people on the soapbox are not the people with the answers. Any site has it's hardcore regulars, it's lurkers, and it's occasional visitors. I'd say that CP is no different, when you see the number that's logged in, it will include me ( most of the time ) and lots of other regulars. The percentage of people online who are regulars is probably low, by definition.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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Shog9 wrote:
You might want to give the media kit pages[^] a look
Okay, it says 2.9 million "unique" visitors each month with 5.8 million user sessions (each visitor comes, on the average, twice a month). But what do they mean by unique? IP address? Email address? They say there are only 366,000 "opt-in email subscribers" so it's probably not email address. At least not verified ones. And there are only 17.9 million pages served per month - meaning each user (on the average) sees only six pages per month. That's not much when the flashing ads are shared between many advertisers. Besides, I'm a nobody newbie here and I've been served at least 150 pages this evening just clicking around the forums. And I think it would be hard to complete a search for an article on a particular subject and then read it with only six page serves. I'm just having trouble getting these numbers to add up. Help?
Do you really want answers to these questions, because this is the wrong place to ask it. Would you ask the people who make a car how it works, or the people who drive it ? Unique means that they are different users, with different user accounts, obvioulsy.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So how many of the 3,508,376 members here are really members (ie, people I might be able to sell something to if I wrote and article and/or placed some ads)? I would think my product might appeal to, say, 1% of the membership (which would give me 35,083 sales), but I'm wary because the membership role has increased by 681 since I signed up this very afternoon, which seems like suspiciously rapid growth for an established site.
I should mention, if you create an article that doesn't have downloadable code, and that is trying to sell something, you can pay for a showcase article, or if you post a general article, it will be deleted. ( this time I'm serious ). There is a section for paid articles that are ads. The general articles need to be offering free code. That's why our membership grows so fast, because people need to join to download free code, and ask questions in the help forums.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
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So how many of the 3,508,376 members here are really members (ie, people I might be able to sell something to if I wrote and article and/or placed some ads)? I would think my product might appeal to, say, 1% of the membership (which would give me 35,083 sales), but I'm wary because the membership role has increased by 681 since I signed up this very afternoon, which seems like suspiciously rapid growth for an established site.
Member #3507681 wrote:
I would think my product might appeal to, say, 1% of the membership (which would give me 35,083 sales),
If you really think 100% of the people that your "product might appeal to" will go on to be customers you need to go back to college and do a business course.
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Steve Echols wrote:
I can say, every time I'm online, there's at least 8000-10000 other people online as well, so if you place an ad, it will definitely be "seen".
But is it the same 10,000 over and over, or is it all 3.5 million in rotation? Makes a difference in potential sales (1% of 3.5 million is 35,000 :); 1% of 10,000 is only 100, which won't even pay for the ads :().
Actually it depends on the time zone. I live in Europe. This means that all day I see Europeans on line. In the morning there are also a lot of Asian people and in the afternoon a lot of American people. There is rotation, but there are 'hardcore' CPians as well.
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In another thread (http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1742657&forumid=2605#xx1742657xx[^]), someone named Christian Gauss threatened to talk to Chris someone about banning someone else from the site (perhaps Trollslayer, though I wasn't sure where the message was orignially hung). Does that work? Doesn't the offender just sign up with a new name and fake email a few minutes later?
Member #3507681 wrote:
Christian Gauss threatened to talk to Chris someone about banning someone else from the site (perhaps Trollslayer
Trollslayer? He wouldn't dare, those claws are sharp.
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Realistically, if you have questions about advertising, the people on the soapbox are not the people with the answers. Any site has it's hardcore regulars, it's lurkers, and it's occasional visitors. I'd say that CP is no different, when you see the number that's logged in, it will include me ( most of the time ) and lots of other regulars. The percentage of people online who are regulars is probably low, by definition.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Can't you be honest for once Christian? Just admit that it's, me, you, Chris and Nish running multiple accounts each, concurrently on multiple instances of IE. The total membership for CP is 5, us and the new bloke who somehow found his way in.
Michael Martin Australia "I controlled my laughter and simple said "No,I am very busy,so I can't write any code for you". The moment they heard this all the smiling face turned into a sad looking face and one of them farted. So I had to leave the place as soon as possible." - Mr.Prakash 24/04/2004
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In another thread (http://www.codeproject.com/script/comments/forums.asp?msg=1742657&forumid=2605#xx1742657xx[^]), someone named Christian Gauss threatened to talk to Chris someone about banning someone else from the site (perhaps Trollslayer, though I wasn't sure where the message was orignially hung). Does that work? Doesn't the offender just sign up with a new name and fake email a few minutes later?
Member #3507681 wrote:
Doesn't the offender just sign up with a new name and fake email a few minutes later?
Possibly, unless the person's IP address was banned. For folks with static IPs, this would be enough. For folks with dynamic IPs (e.g., dial-up), they would no doubt get a new one the next time they tried.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
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Do you really want answers to these questions, because this is the wrong place to ask it. Would you ask the people who make a car how it works, or the people who drive it ? Unique means that they are different users, with different user accounts, obvioulsy.
Christian Graus - Microsoft MVP - C++ Metal Musings - Rex and my new metal blog
Christian Graus wrote:
Would you ask the people who make a car how it works...
I tried this once and the mfg. directed me to a local dealer. I told them I already went that route and I wanted someone who knew the car, not merely sold it.
"Approved Workmen Are Not Ashamed" - 2 Timothy 2:15
"Judge not by the eye but by the heart." - Native American Proverb
