From Reason to Radical, a language shift:
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I think the message should be: BE PREPARED !! And then we'll see what happens ...
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V. wrote:
I think the message should be: BE PREPARED !! And then we'll see what happens
It should be, BE ON THE LOOK OUT. Then we can actually see if anything happens.
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ROFL, I don't think you ever agreed on something I said, so it was no surprise you didn't know. [MODIFIED]Please don't go and find an example that proves the contrary...[/MODIFIED]
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ROFL, I don't think you ever agreed on something I said, so it was no surprise you didn't know. [MODIFIED]Please don't go and find an example that proves the contrary...[/MODIFIED]
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V. wrote:
I don't think you ever agreed on something I said,
Except that Leuven is a great place for eating and drinking!
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
:laugh: Well that's something we've got. ;P
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From the Iinergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the official, UN Authority): Increases in temperature could open new areas to cultivation, but they also could increase the risk of heat or drought The rate of climatic warming may exceed the rate of shifts in certain species ranges The likelihood of many of these changes in Earth systems is not well-known, but is probably very low; however, their likelihood is expected to increase with the rate, magnitude, and duration of climate change Global climate change is likely to bring changes in climate variability and extreme events From Stop Climate Chaos (the Millitants): Global warming is creating more extreme weather, melting of the ice caps, floods and droughts. In turn this will cost the lives of millions, ruin the livelihoods of hundreds of millions more, severely affect animal and plant life across the globe and cost trillions of dollars. Climate change is already killing 150,000 people a year. From the politicians (Blair): Climate change is the greatest long term threat we face. Form the the UK Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (Sir King): Global Warming is more dangerous than terrorism. I am not going to insult your intelligence by having to elucidate on the insdious change of language between the scientists (and although the Hockey Stick graph is very, very quesitonable, one has to give them credit for being cautious in their language), and the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
So whatever the future will be re: climate change, what exactly is wrong with doing something to protect our environment? I suspect from what I've read in your posts past you know someone who works in the climate study business, earns more than you and doesn't work as hard: you've a bee in your bonnet old bean.
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So whatever the future will be re: climate change, what exactly is wrong with doing something to protect our environment? I suspect from what I've read in your posts past you know someone who works in the climate study business, earns more than you and doesn't work as hard: you've a bee in your bonnet old bean.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
what exactly is wrong with doing something to protect our environment?
Nothing. But demonising CO2 isnt helping protect the environment.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you know someone who works in the climate study business, earns more than you and doesn't work as hard
No, I dont. In anycase, I probably earn a damn sight more than most climate change scientists, so I only care about the assumptions and theorieas that have mutated into public 'truths'.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you've a bee in your bonnet old bean
Yes I do. When I see adverts on TV banging on about 'carbon foot prints' and so on. And when governments introduce taxes based on the public aceptance of the tax because of the 'truths' and the created fears, and that those taxes will have no effect but to raise revenue for the government, I get angry, really really angry.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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:laugh: Well that's something we've got. ;P
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Was idd the song I had in mind when I wrote the post :-D
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From the Iinergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the official, UN Authority): Increases in temperature could open new areas to cultivation, but they also could increase the risk of heat or drought The rate of climatic warming may exceed the rate of shifts in certain species ranges The likelihood of many of these changes in Earth systems is not well-known, but is probably very low; however, their likelihood is expected to increase with the rate, magnitude, and duration of climate change Global climate change is likely to bring changes in climate variability and extreme events From Stop Climate Chaos (the Millitants): Global warming is creating more extreme weather, melting of the ice caps, floods and droughts. In turn this will cost the lives of millions, ruin the livelihoods of hundreds of millions more, severely affect animal and plant life across the globe and cost trillions of dollars. Climate change is already killing 150,000 people a year. From the politicians (Blair): Climate change is the greatest long term threat we face. Form the the UK Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (Sir King): Global Warming is more dangerous than terrorism. I am not going to insult your intelligence by having to elucidate on the insdious change of language between the scientists (and although the Hockey Stick graph is very, very quesitonable, one has to give them credit for being cautious in their language), and the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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(I'm more careful this time :) ) What is your point?
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K(arl) wrote:
What is your point?
I was hoping I wouldnt have to spell it out. I hoped the obvious change of language is enough to tell us to be cautious of the spin put on the scientific text by the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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K(arl) wrote:
What is your point?
I was hoping I wouldnt have to spell it out. I hoped the obvious change of language is enough to tell us to be cautious of the spin put on the scientific text by the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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From the Iinergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the official, UN Authority): Increases in temperature could open new areas to cultivation, but they also could increase the risk of heat or drought The rate of climatic warming may exceed the rate of shifts in certain species ranges The likelihood of many of these changes in Earth systems is not well-known, but is probably very low; however, their likelihood is expected to increase with the rate, magnitude, and duration of climate change Global climate change is likely to bring changes in climate variability and extreme events From Stop Climate Chaos (the Millitants): Global warming is creating more extreme weather, melting of the ice caps, floods and droughts. In turn this will cost the lives of millions, ruin the livelihoods of hundreds of millions more, severely affect animal and plant life across the globe and cost trillions of dollars. Climate change is already killing 150,000 people a year. From the politicians (Blair): Climate change is the greatest long term threat we face. Form the the UK Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (Sir King): Global Warming is more dangerous than terrorism. I am not going to insult your intelligence by having to elucidate on the insdious change of language between the scientists (and although the Hockey Stick graph is very, very quesitonable, one has to give them credit for being cautious in their language), and the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
I am not going to insult your intelligence
You already have. Over and over again. This week, last week, and probably the week before that. You repeat the same old canards. They are as ridiculous today as they were last week.
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From the Iinergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the official, UN Authority): Increases in temperature could open new areas to cultivation, but they also could increase the risk of heat or drought The rate of climatic warming may exceed the rate of shifts in certain species ranges The likelihood of many of these changes in Earth systems is not well-known, but is probably very low; however, their likelihood is expected to increase with the rate, magnitude, and duration of climate change Global climate change is likely to bring changes in climate variability and extreme events From Stop Climate Chaos (the Millitants): Global warming is creating more extreme weather, melting of the ice caps, floods and droughts. In turn this will cost the lives of millions, ruin the livelihoods of hundreds of millions more, severely affect animal and plant life across the globe and cost trillions of dollars. Climate change is already killing 150,000 people a year. From the politicians (Blair): Climate change is the greatest long term threat we face. Form the the UK Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (Sir King): Global Warming is more dangerous than terrorism. I am not going to insult your intelligence by having to elucidate on the insdious change of language between the scientists (and although the Hockey Stick graph is very, very quesitonable, one has to give them credit for being cautious in their language), and the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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fat_boy wrote:
I am not going to insult your intelligence
You already have. Over and over again. This week, last week, and probably the week before that. You repeat the same old canards. They are as ridiculous today as they were last week.
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oilFactotum wrote:
You repeat the same old canards
I dont see that ducks have any relevance to this matter. :confused:
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Apparently, language is a problem for you.:rolleyes: Perhaps you are unfamiliar with google or any of a dozen different online dictionaries.
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Apparently, language is a problem for you.:rolleyes: Perhaps you are unfamiliar with google or any of a dozen different online dictionaries.
You see, here I attempt to have a serious discussion and you debase the thread with personal insults. Please dont bother replying to anything I post. I know your views, and if you cant present them reasonably, I dont want to hear them.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
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You see, here I attempt to have a serious discussion and you debase the thread with personal insults. Please dont bother replying to anything I post. I know your views, and if you cant present them reasonably, I dont want to hear them.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Nah - as long as you continue to create new thread after new thread rehashing the same old points - Attacking science and demanding we keep our heads in the sand and pretend it will be OK I'll continue to point out the tedious sameness of your argument.
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AndyKEnZ wrote:
what exactly is wrong with doing something to protect our environment?
Nothing. But demonising CO2 isnt helping protect the environment.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you know someone who works in the climate study business, earns more than you and doesn't work as hard
No, I dont. In anycase, I probably earn a damn sight more than most climate change scientists, so I only care about the assumptions and theorieas that have mutated into public 'truths'.
AndyKEnZ wrote:
you've a bee in your bonnet old bean
Yes I do. When I see adverts on TV banging on about 'carbon foot prints' and so on. And when governments introduce taxes based on the public aceptance of the tax because of the 'truths' and the created fears, and that those taxes will have no effect but to raise revenue for the government, I get angry, really really angry.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
fat_boy wrote:
demonising CO2 isnt helping protect the environment.
Why? It is a fact that concentration of CO2 in the atmosphere is growing year after year (+ 0.5% in 2005[^]). It is also a fact that climate is warming, as shown by mutliple studies, as the migration of vegetable species to higher altitudes or the reduction of ice sheets worldwide. It is also a fact that CO2 is a 'greenhouse gas'[^]. So even if the correlation between the two events is not fully demonstrated yet, the risks are higher enough to take care of CO2 rising. As I said before, do you need to be sure to have a car crash to use your safety belt?
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From the Iinergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (the official, UN Authority): Increases in temperature could open new areas to cultivation, but they also could increase the risk of heat or drought The rate of climatic warming may exceed the rate of shifts in certain species ranges The likelihood of many of these changes in Earth systems is not well-known, but is probably very low; however, their likelihood is expected to increase with the rate, magnitude, and duration of climate change Global climate change is likely to bring changes in climate variability and extreme events From Stop Climate Chaos (the Millitants): Global warming is creating more extreme weather, melting of the ice caps, floods and droughts. In turn this will cost the lives of millions, ruin the livelihoods of hundreds of millions more, severely affect animal and plant life across the globe and cost trillions of dollars. Climate change is already killing 150,000 people a year. From the politicians (Blair): Climate change is the greatest long term threat we face. Form the the UK Government’s Chief Scientific Advisor (Sir King): Global Warming is more dangerous than terrorism. I am not going to insult your intelligence by having to elucidate on the insdious change of language between the scientists (and although the Hockey Stick graph is very, very quesitonable, one has to give them credit for being cautious in their language), and the activists and politicians.
Truth is the subjection of reality to an individuals perception
Here's how the corrupt system works (and has worked for countless "science"-based activist topics): 1. Leftists sit around smoking weed, getting more paranoid by the second about a government unsympathetic to their drug habit. 2. Some scientist proposes a doomsday scenario. 3. Some leftist reads about this doomsday scenario in his local underground newspaper. 4. This leftist finds the doomsday scenario particularly palatable because it jives with his anti-industrial, Marxist sentiments and (since he's high) naturally accepts it as fact. 5. Leftists join together with this belief because, even though many probably realize it's flawed, it serves their Marxist purpose. 6. Protests begin. 7. Scientists' eyes all turn into little dollar signs while "cha-ching" noises are herd around the world. 8. Scientists demand funding, lest we all kill ourselves. Thanks to leftist protests, they get it. 9. Scientists skew their interpretation of results towards what will get them more funding (as is often the case). 10. The Doomsday scenario worsens with points-of-no-return and irreversible damage. 11. The dissenting scientists are ignored because their viewpoint is contrary to most of the (Marxist) media's. 12. Emergency legislation is passed to save us all, thereby adversely effecting economies. 13. 20 years later, everyone has forgotten about the fiasco and evidence demonstrates that the scientists seeking funding were wrong. Nobody cares. 14. Repeat.
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Here's how the corrupt system works (and has worked for countless "science"-based activist topics): 1. Leftists sit around smoking weed, getting more paranoid by the second about a government unsympathetic to their drug habit. 2. Some scientist proposes a doomsday scenario. 3. Some leftist reads about this doomsday scenario in his local underground newspaper. 4. This leftist finds the doomsday scenario particularly palatable because it jives with his anti-industrial, Marxist sentiments and (since he's high) naturally accepts it as fact. 5. Leftists join together with this belief because, even though many probably realize it's flawed, it serves their Marxist purpose. 6. Protests begin. 7. Scientists' eyes all turn into little dollar signs while "cha-ching" noises are herd around the world. 8. Scientists demand funding, lest we all kill ourselves. Thanks to leftist protests, they get it. 9. Scientists skew their interpretation of results towards what will get them more funding (as is often the case). 10. The Doomsday scenario worsens with points-of-no-return and irreversible damage. 11. The dissenting scientists are ignored because their viewpoint is contrary to most of the (Marxist) media's. 12. Emergency legislation is passed to save us all, thereby adversely effecting economies. 13. 20 years later, everyone has forgotten about the fiasco and evidence demonstrates that the scientists seeking funding were wrong. Nobody cares. 14. Repeat.
Now that is paranoid!:rolleyes: