Minimum Wage
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So, your willing to throw out democracy to 'win'. If your willing to become the 'evil whore' to beat the 'evil whore', what exactly have you won?
Democrats have unapologetically done that for decades via the judicial system and you seem to have no problem with that.
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Red Stateler wrote:
frequently cross the line and prefer despotism over Democracy, so long as that despotism complies with their own beliefs.
No I do not. Then you are misunderstanding me or I'm not explaining my POW good enough.
Red Stateler wrote:
You're not even American. You're not Iraqi. Your concern is localized to your own personal entertainment.
No. I'm just interested in a, dare I say it, better world - whatever loftie goal that is. And we rich people in the west have the means for helping a lot of poor people in the world. I think we should do that.
Rohde wrote:
And we rich people in the west have the means for helping a lot of poor people in the world. I think we should do that.
Yes...Those poor, poor oil-rich countries. What would they do if we didn't adopt socialism?
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This will definitely show my ignorance but why is raising minimum wage is good or bad? Why do we have it at all? Ohio just passed a law that is raising the minimum wage from $5.15 to $6.85, an overall raise of 70 cents. Will the costs of buying goods and services in my state really go up substantially to pay for this increase? I am concerned about what this might mean for people who have worked for several years to get above minimum wage or have jobs that pay more than minimum and now all base level employees and new hires have effectively gotten raise that they do not deserve. Wouldn't a raise in minimum also affect others way above the minimum wage? I certainly won't be getting a raise because of this. If costs of buying goods and services goes up enough, the minimum wage will account for nothing and it would also hurt me in that it now costs me more to maintain my lifestyle. {Modified) I would like to add that I did not vote anything on this proposal simply because I didn't quite understand what it would mean.
Brett A. Whittington Application Developer
Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
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Rohde wrote:
And we rich people in the west have the means for helping a lot of poor people in the world. I think we should do that.
Yes...Those poor, poor oil-rich countries. What would they do if we didn't adopt socialism?
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Democrats have unapologetically done that for decades via the judicial system and you seem to have no problem with that.
No problem with what? I'm waiting for you to actually say something.
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Who said anything about the oil-countries. These despicable regimes are held alive because of our extreme need for power. I say let's adopt sustainable means for energy so these regimes can't live off of our wallet.
We were specifically talking about Iraq.
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led mike wrote:
When did I say that? You just keep making stuff up, that's what your good at.
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Red Stateler wrote:
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Your trolling has become clumsy and repetitive.
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No problem with what? I'm waiting for you to actually say something.
*jingle jingle*
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
That's exactly what I'm talking about. If you don't subscribe to the humanistic POW of actually helping someone in an unfortunate position, then you must at least understand the economical reasoning. (with 'you' I mean people opposed to the idea of some kind of 'redistribution' e.g. via minimum wages)
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
Tim Carmichael wrote:
Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control?
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
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Red Stateler wrote:
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Your trolling has become clumsy and repetitive.
Kind of like how you consistenyl trip over your "beliefs" and contradict yourself.
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*jingle jingle*
How tediously repetitive.
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Tim Carmichael wrote:
Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control?
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
Red Stateler wrote:
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
No, I'm saying he was unable to find other employement in the area we lived that was accessable by public transportation. And, economics being what they are, he couldn't save enough money to be able to move elsewhere to look for a job. He survived on the wage he made; he didn't thrive.
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led mike wrote:
When did I say that? You just keep making stuff up, that's what your good at.
Come on, now. Don't be a Vincent. Be honest.
Red Stateler wrote:
Be honest.
I'm serious. "Democracy is the worst form of government accept for all the others that have been tried". No reason to disbelieve that just because we have changed out some of the individuals. We still have a government that is bought and paid for by Corporate Lobbyists. We had like 6 more states that eroded freedom by outlawing gay marriage. We had how many people vote Democrat because of the war in Iraq that was started by the President those same people voted into office. Marijuana is still illegal while one states most controversial question was whether or not alcohol could be sold in grocery stores. I could go on and on but that wouldn't get us anywhere.
led mike
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Being from Canada, which has a minimum wage, please allow me the opportunity to get a real-life example of how raising the minimum wage can be helpful. My brother was born with a pinched optic nerve, the results of which is, he cannot drive and must rely on public transportation to get to and from work. Since he did not want to 'live off of the system' and had a desire to work, he was able to find employment through a friend at a hardware store... his vision was good enough to see items, help customers, run the till, etc., and, because it did not require a lot of reading, he could keep pace with the other employees. Since this was a small business, privately owned, he was at the whim of the owner in terms of compensation. The owner's stated policies on getting a wage increase was: when you get married or have a child. Since he did not marry, he was at the same wage (barely above minimum) for 9 years... would any of us like to not get a wage increase for 9 years? Yes, capitalistic society claims "you can always get another job", but, what if you can't and the reasons are beyond your control? Raising the minimum wage was the only way for him to get a wage increase. Or, should he have resigned himself to collecting social assistance? Just my thoughts... Tim
Fools like red believe that your brother's problems are because he has a flawed character.:rolleyes:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
You're a better man than me, I'd throw democracy out in a heart beat to be shed of these leftist bastards
Not me. I firmly believe that people are capable of governing themselves, but part of that governance requires a deeper understanding of the consequences of ideologies and therefore honest debate. Conservatism has already largely prevailed. My primary concern has always been the fact that we lived in the midst of a constitutional crisis that was largely ignored by the public and actively endorsed by the left. Namely, judicial activism derived from the notion that the constitution is flexible and that law is arbitrary. The single most important task of the president was to purge the supreme court of that sort of thinking and he successfully did that. Yes, I disagree with leftist laws (especially since they're often unconstitutional), but I don't go berzerk when they win now and then. I do, however, go berzerk when they exploit the legal system in order to legislate laws that didn't originate from a legislature. That it downright tyrannous. I believe the only thing left for conservatives (besides finalizing a judicial cleanup) is to break up the education system's left-ideological monopoly which pumps out brainwashed leftists by the boatload.
Red Stateler wrote:
the education system's left-ideological monopoly which pumps out brainwashed leftists by the boatload.
It has been a few years since I was in school but I had no shortage of conservative professors. Not Social Conservatives, real ones.
led mike
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How tediously repetitive.
And deliciously shiney!
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Red Stateler wrote:
Be honest.
I'm serious. "Democracy is the worst form of government accept for all the others that have been tried". No reason to disbelieve that just because we have changed out some of the individuals. We still have a government that is bought and paid for by Corporate Lobbyists. We had like 6 more states that eroded freedom by outlawing gay marriage. We had how many people vote Democrat because of the war in Iraq that was started by the President those same people voted into office. Marijuana is still illegal while one states most controversial question was whether or not alcohol could be sold in grocery stores. I could go on and on but that wouldn't get us anywhere.
led mike
Oh, so you are in fact against Democracy whether or not Democrats or Republicans are in power so long as that democracy constradicts your own interests. I guess I underestimated you.
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So, your willing to throw out democracy to 'win'. If your willing to become the 'evil whore' to beat the 'evil whore', what exactly have you won?
oilFactotum wrote:
what exactly have you won?
There is nothing left to win. My own political ideals may be a lost cause, but at least I can help prevent the Marxist from achieving theirs.
Thank God for disproportional force.
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Red Stateler wrote:
So you're saying there's not another place in Canada that would hire someone with poor vision?
No, I'm saying he was unable to find other employement in the area we lived that was accessable by public transportation. And, economics being what they are, he couldn't save enough money to be able to move elsewhere to look for a job. He survived on the wage he made; he didn't thrive.
So why didn't you help him out and drive him to another job each day?