1 in 32?
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Red Stateler wrote:
We should put those people to work
Hmm might be one of the issues seems like it is too easy not to work steadily, at least in New York State. I gave it a little more thought and realized I have known people who have been in jail and/or been on probation. I just forgot that I disassociated with those individuals and my opinion of them at the time that this happened to them fell. I forgot that some people that did whatever infraction they might have done I mostly considered a$$holes. So I guess, since I have seen some of them walking around in recent year, that there are a bunch of 50 year old juvenile delinquents walking around? At first I didn't think of it as related to a social issue but on further consideration I changed my mind. The ones I knew were all brought up in middle class environments so this isn't limited to the poor...
_alank wrote:
Hmm might be one of the issues seems like it is too easy not to work steadily
Yeah, right. We have an unemployment rate of something like 4.5% (about 2% among college graduates). Accessibility to legitimate income isn't a very widespread problem even in poor economic times in the US. I've known several people in trouble with the law who came from pretty wealthy backgrounds and in every case they committed their crimes out of self-indulgence and laziness...never because they were desperate.
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_alank wrote:
Hmm might be one of the issues seems like it is too easy not to work steadily
Yeah, right. We have an unemployment rate of something like 4.5% (about 2% among college graduates). Accessibility to legitimate income isn't a very widespread problem even in poor economic times in the US. I've known several people in trouble with the law who came from pretty wealthy backgrounds and in every case they committed their crimes out of self-indulgence and laziness...never because they were desperate.
Red Stateler wrote:
Yeah, right
Sorry was being a little guarded I meant to imply unemployed by choice and that keeping a steady job might be useful to people like this. Plenty of jobs here and many for pretty decent pay. Illegal alien construction workers get a base $10/hr in these parts.
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My sister-in-law's brother (does that make him a brother-in-law?) has to do that. He's in Arizona and apparently had several DUI's, so they made him install it. I rode with him one time and he actually has to blow every few miles otherwise the engine will shut off. According to him, they had a problem where some people would blow, then start drinking as they were driving.
Red Stateler wrote:
According to him, they had a problem where some people would blow, then start drinking as they were driving.
Well, I guess the idea is nice, but it's not like you can't get someone else to blow in it (well I assume that's the case).
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Jeremy Falcon wrote:
Well, I hope that if you had way too much and puke in the device rather than breathe the car still won't start.
Maybe if you puke in it the engine should self destruct :laugh:
_alank wrote:
Maybe if you puke in it the engine should self destruct
;P
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Red Stateler wrote:
According to him, they had a problem where some people would blow, then start drinking as they were driving.
Well, I guess the idea is nice, but it's not like you can't get someone else to blow in it (well I assume that's the case).
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Well...I guess you could, but you'd be pretty hard-up finding someone sober eager to be in the car with you while you're driving drunk.
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leckey wrote:
Actually in 45 states they have the option to make people convicted of drunk driving to install a device that measure's BAC before the car will start.
Well, I hope that if you had way too much and puke in the device rather than breathe the car still won't start. :laugh:
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Well...I guess you could, but you'd be pretty hard-up finding someone sober eager to be in the car with you while you're driving drunk.
Red Stateler wrote:
Well...I guess you could, but you'd be pretty hard-up finding someone sober eager to be in the car with you while you're driving drunk.
Or you could come up with a simple balloon based device, where you'd store your exhaled air, and use that to blow into the device.
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We should put those people to work. We still have a big fence to build.
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1 in 32 Americans in jails, on parole or on probation... A record 7 million people — or one in every 32 American adults — were behind bars, on probation or on parole by the end of last year, according to the Justice Department. Of those, 2.2 million were in prison or jail, an increase of 2.7 percent over the previous year, according to a report released Wednesday. I assume they mean the USA that is a pretty scary number... I assume this includes DUI/DWI convictions etc. Still it makes one wonder what is going on increased criminality or increased penalties for infractions. It still seems way to high to be acceptable. http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20061130/ap_on_re_us/prison_population[^]
_alank wrote:
1 in 32 Americans in jails, on parole or on probation...
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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_alank wrote:
1 in 32 Americans in jails, on parole or on probation...
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges
Yes a waste it is indeed, I guess that translates to 1.1 million on imprisoned on drug related charges. I am more interested in what activities the 4.1 million on probation were involved in that got them on probation... too bad they release these statistics and don't tell us the rest of the story. If we knew the details perhaps more of us would complain about unnecessary tax dollars being spent on such thing. Statistics reports that 2.2 million Americans are behind bars and more than 4.1 million Americans are on probation. Nearly 800,000 citizens are on parole
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges
Yes a waste it is indeed, I guess that translates to 1.1 million on imprisoned on drug related charges. I am more interested in what activities the 4.1 million on probation were involved in that got them on probation... too bad they release these statistics and don't tell us the rest of the story. If we knew the details perhaps more of us would complain about unnecessary tax dollars being spent on such thing. Statistics reports that 2.2 million Americans are behind bars and more than 4.1 million Americans are on probation. Nearly 800,000 citizens are on parole
_alank wrote:
I am more interested in what activities the 4.1 million on probation were involved in that got them on probation
I think you could extrapolate that at a minimum, quite possibly a great deal more than half, of the 4.1 million on probation represent either probated sentences for drug related activities or probated portions of longer sentences for the same class of offense.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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_alank wrote:
1 in 32 Americans in jails, on parole or on probation...
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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_alank wrote:
I am more interested in what activities the 4.1 million on probation were involved in that got them on probation
I think you could extrapolate that at a minimum, quite possibly a great deal more than half, of the 4.1 million on probation represent either probated sentences for drug related activities or probated portions of longer sentences for the same class of offense.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
I think you could extrapolate that at a minimum, quite possibly a great deal more than half, of the 4.1 million on probation represent either probated sentences for drug related activities or probated portions of longer sentences for the same class of offense.
Possibly, I can't disagree cause I don't know but there have been some other nonsensical laws put on the books. I imagine driving while ? counts for a percentage of that and guess what I don't want ganja drivers on the road any more then I want the alcohol imbibed driving impaired. I think we have to consider something else to before jumping to any conclusions. I figure a number of those drug convictions that are actually imprisoned are people they would have preferred to have there on other charges. They put mobsters in jail but most they only got on tax evasion and other charges usually not the crimes where violence was involved. Consider John Gotti Sr. as one example or even Junior. I would say if someone were in jail just because they used drugs then they shouldn't be there. But frequently that isn't the case and there is more to it then just the superficial charges.
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_alank wrote:
1 in 32 Americans in jails, on parole or on probation...
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Is that the result of manditory sentancing?
System.IO.Path.IsPathRooted() does not behave as I would expect
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Is that the result of manditory sentancing?
System.IO.Path.IsPathRooted() does not behave as I would expect
Josh Gray wrote:
Is that the result of manditory sentancing?
Good question unfortunately, like I said before, they didn't provide the details. I think the tax paying public needs to start demanding the answers. We shouldn't sit by and let the powers that be just do what they want without full disclosure...
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
I think you could extrapolate that at a minimum, quite possibly a great deal more than half, of the 4.1 million on probation represent either probated sentences for drug related activities or probated portions of longer sentences for the same class of offense.
Possibly, I can't disagree cause I don't know but there have been some other nonsensical laws put on the books. I imagine driving while ? counts for a percentage of that and guess what I don't want ganja drivers on the road any more then I want the alcohol imbibed driving impaired. I think we have to consider something else to before jumping to any conclusions. I figure a number of those drug convictions that are actually imprisoned are people they would have preferred to have there on other charges. They put mobsters in jail but most they only got on tax evasion and other charges usually not the crimes where violence was involved. Consider John Gotti Sr. as one example or even Junior. I would say if someone were in jail just because they used drugs then they shouldn't be there. But frequently that isn't the case and there is more to it then just the superficial charges.
_alank wrote:
and guess what I don't want ganja drivers on the road any more then I want the alcohol imbibed driving impaired.
I agree.
_alank wrote:
I figure a number of those drug convictions that are actually imprisoned are people they would have preferred to have there on other charges.
True, but you also have to assume that the othe charges are a direct result of the illegality of drugs. For exampe, dealing. Since drugs are illegal there is a significant number of people who make a dandy living selling. As an illegal item, the price is naturally higher than it would be if you could go down the street and pick up whatever at the drugstore. The higher price, a direct result of the illegality, creates more crime: burglary, theft, etc., etc - really a natural result.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Are you a drug liberal?
depends on what you mean. I'm a conservative that doesn't believe the government has any business intruding on an individual's personal life. I see absolutely no inherent evil in drug use. On the flip side I believe that we should all be on our own. For exampe, if I involve myself with drug use and create problems for myself I don't think the government should step in and help me out. Bottom line is, I'm a conservative that believes in personal choices accompanied by personal responsibility. That includes a belief that victimless crimes: drug use, prostituition, gambling and similar activities are no business of the state and the corollary is that if an individual engages in any of those and creates a personal problem they should be on their own.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
53% of the people in state prisions are there on drug related charges. An incredible waste of tax dollars and an intrusion on an individual's life. Bottom line is, the 1 in 32 statistic exists simply because of an artifically created crime.
Is that the result of manditory sentancing?
System.IO.Path.IsPathRooted() does not behave as I would expect
Josh Gray wrote:
Is that the result of manditory sentancing?
_alank said it right. no way of knowing based on available information.
Mike Dear NYT - the fact is, the founding fathers hung traitors. Dear NYT - Thanks for being the house organ of the Democrat Party. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Actually in 45 states they have the option to make people convicted of drunk driving to install a device that measure's BAC before the car will start. It's mandatory in NM for first time offenders; discretionary in the other 44.
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