Creation museum pushes 'true history'
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
To play Devil's Advocate here ... There have been a few archealogical finds where dinosaur footprints were found at the same level and right beside human footprints. The article also states "there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible ..." Which isn't entirely accurate. You could easily argue that the "beast" discussed in the Book of Job is a dinosaur, and the description of anti-Christ bears un-canny resemblence to a dragon/dinosaur. While one of those is a prophecy and the other is arguably a parable, at least the idea of dinosaurs was around at the time, even if they were not. But what is interesting is that they assert that the universe was created in 6 24-hour days. There is a line later in the Bible that states, (paraphrased) "To God, a second is like a million years, and a million years like a second." In other words, time has no meaning to Him. 1 "day" could have been 3600 million years ... :doh:
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
I frequently drive by that 'museum'. From the freeway all you see is a large rock wall. It just has 'evagelical cult' written all over it. It scares me, it really, really scares me. They're takeing over I tell ya! :~
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To play Devil's Advocate here ... There have been a few archealogical finds where dinosaur footprints were found at the same level and right beside human footprints. The article also states "there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible ..." Which isn't entirely accurate. You could easily argue that the "beast" discussed in the Book of Job is a dinosaur, and the description of anti-Christ bears un-canny resemblence to a dragon/dinosaur. While one of those is a prophecy and the other is arguably a parable, at least the idea of dinosaurs was around at the time, even if they were not. But what is interesting is that they assert that the universe was created in 6 24-hour days. There is a line later in the Bible that states, (paraphrased) "To God, a second is like a million years, and a million years like a second." In other words, time has no meaning to Him. 1 "day" could have been 3600 million years ... :doh:
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Zac Howland wrote:
But what is interesting is that they assert that the universe was created in 6 24-hour days. There is a line later in the Bible that states, (paraphrased) "To God, a second is like a million years, and a million years like a second." In other words, time has no meaning to Him. 1 "day" could have been 3600 million years ...
So, in other words, the bible is not some place you would ordinarely look for precise scientific measurements. :rolleyes:
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
We have a planetarium to our left Geocentric, of course.
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To play Devil's Advocate here ... There have been a few archealogical finds where dinosaur footprints were found at the same level and right beside human footprints. The article also states "there is no mention of dinosaurs in the Bible ..." Which isn't entirely accurate. You could easily argue that the "beast" discussed in the Book of Job is a dinosaur, and the description of anti-Christ bears un-canny resemblence to a dragon/dinosaur. While one of those is a prophecy and the other is arguably a parable, at least the idea of dinosaurs was around at the time, even if they were not. But what is interesting is that they assert that the universe was created in 6 24-hour days. There is a line later in the Bible that states, (paraphrased) "To God, a second is like a million years, and a million years like a second." In other words, time has no meaning to Him. 1 "day" could have been 3600 million years ... :doh:
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Zac Howland wrote:
There have been a few archealogical finds where dinosaur footprints were found at the same level and right beside human footprints.
An each and every case has been debunked (some didn't even need debunking as it was pretty damn clear that those foot prints where not even close to human). But that's not something you're going to hear from the creationist crowd...
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Zac Howland wrote:
But what is interesting is that they assert that the universe was created in 6 24-hour days. There is a line later in the Bible that states, (paraphrased) "To God, a second is like a million years, and a million years like a second." In other words, time has no meaning to Him. 1 "day" could have been 3600 million years ...
So, in other words, the bible is not some place you would ordinarely look for precise scientific measurements. :rolleyes:
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Stan Shannon wrote:
So, in other words, the bible is not some place you would ordinarely look for precise scientific measurements.
And you would contend otherwise?
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Zac Howland wrote:
There have been a few archealogical finds where dinosaur footprints were found at the same level and right beside human footprints.
An each and every case has been debunked (some didn't even need debunking as it was pretty damn clear that those foot prints where not even close to human). But that's not something you're going to hear from the creationist crowd...
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
An each and every case has been debunked (some didn't even need debunking as it was pretty damn clear that those foot prints where not even close to human). But that's not something you're going to hear from the creationist crowd.
Interesting, since I just had a National Geographic talking about a case that, at the very least has yet to be proven as invalid. I'll see if I can find which issue it was.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
So, in other words, the bible is not some place you would ordinarely look for precise scientific measurements.
And you would contend otherwise?
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I just think that it is the silliest exercise imaginable to try to discover rationalizations for modern scientific conclusions in the bible. I believe Christianity is done great harm by those who do so.
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I just think that it is the silliest exercise imaginable to try to discover rationalizations for modern scientific conclusions in the bible. I believe Christianity is done great harm by those who do so.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I just think that it is the silliest exercise imaginable to try to discover rationalizations for modern scientific conclusions in the bible. I believe Christianity is done great harm by those who do so.
Ah, so you were agreeing with me. *Marks 12-12 on the calendar* ;P
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I just think that it is the silliest exercise imaginable to try to discover rationalizations for modern scientific conclusions in the bible. I believe Christianity is done great harm by those who do so.
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True, "Christians" like that probably convert more Christians to atheism in a day than any other cause does in a year.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I just think that it is the silliest exercise imaginable to try to discover rationalizations for modern scientific conclusions in the bible. I believe Christianity is done great harm by those who do so.
Ah, so you were agreeing with me. *Marks 12-12 on the calendar* ;P
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Zac Howland wrote:
so you were agreeing with me
agreeing to what?
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True, "Christians" like that probably convert more Christians to atheism in a day than any other cause does in a year.
James L. Thomson wrote:
True, "Christians" like that probably convert more Christians to atheism in a day than any other cause does in a year.
I doubt that, but it does promote a silly battle that does not need to be fought. Rather than wasting time trying to take on science directly, the Christian community should concentrate on trying to fight the constitutionality of current interpretations of 'separation of church and state'.
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Zac Howland wrote:
so you were agreeing with me
agreeing to what?
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That basing/arguing scientific facts from the Bible with modern science is a fruitless endeavor.
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I frequently drive by that 'museum'. From the freeway all you see is a large rock wall. It just has 'evagelical cult' written all over it. It scares me, it really, really scares me. They're takeing over I tell ya! :~
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Stan Shannon wrote:
It scares me, it really, really scares me. They're takeing over I tell ya!
:) I confess I don't like do agree with you, but your irony is right on target this time. ID and creationism lost their political and intelectual track and never achieved any scientific significance. After the Dover trial and the creationist education board in Kansas lost elections, it is time to see ID as pathetic, not scary. It is silly to use as an argument for a science war against religion.
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James L. Thomson wrote:
True, "Christians" like that probably convert more Christians to atheism in a day than any other cause does in a year.
I doubt that, but it does promote a silly battle that does not need to be fought. Rather than wasting time trying to take on science directly, the Christian community should concentrate on trying to fight the constitutionality of current interpretations of 'separation of church and state'.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
constitutionality of current interpretations of 'separation of church and state'.
You mean the standard that isn't even mentioned in the Constitution itself... ;P But that is another set of threads altogether.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
constitutionality of current interpretations of 'separation of church and state'.
You mean the standard that isn't even mentioned in the Constitution itself... ;P But that is another set of threads altogether.
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Zac Howland wrote:
You mean the standard that isn't even mentioned in the Constitution itself...
Precisely...
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That basing/arguing scientific facts from the Bible with modern science is a fruitless endeavor.
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Zac Howland wrote:
That basing/arguing scientific facts from the Bible with modern science is a fruitless endeavor.
If that is what you were saying, than, yes, we agree.
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/6216788.stm[^] - To hammer that point home, two smiling children clad in tasteful animal skins, work and play alongside a pair of baby Tyrannosaurus Rex. "You go to some of the major museums and dinosaurs are their teaching icon," said Mr Looy. "We're going to turn that on its head, and use dinosaurs to show that the Bible presents the true history of the world. We have people, and dinosaurs, together." I think that guy's missing an "n" from his name. Shouldn't it be "Mr. Loony" - Colorado-based Dr Michael Sherwin was touring around with his family: "I'm a pathologist... When I was studying genetics, it just seemed to me that if I consider one single cell to contain all the information I have to form me - I just don't see how that could evolve." Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
PlayByTheRules wrote:
Personal incredulity is not a valid counter argument to evolution.
He wasn't using it as one. He was relating why he started looking into creationism in earnest to see if it seemed more credible.
From the article:
Despite adopting the structure and technology of the most extravagant science museum, it remains that none of it is remotely plausible without first accepting Genesis. Without taking that leap and rejecting centuries of scientific reasoning, it all resembles just another Disney-style magic kingdom.
Actually there have been a number of people who accepted Genesis because it seemed to them, after careful inquiry, to fit the evidence, rather than accepting Genesis first and then accepting creationism because of it. I know I would not accept the Genesis account if it seemed to be off base from reality. As for rejecting scientific reasoning, creationists use the same logical principles and work from the same data, but merely have a different interpretation of that data, which they think fits best with what they observe.