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    I installed Vista this weekend and I'm pretty dissappointed. It took as long as my Xp installation (I did an update, maybe installing from scratch is faster), but at first sight all went pretty well. It looks very nice. Then the first UAC come up, and the second, the third, ... so i searched the help how I could switch it off. After a dozen mouseclicks I found what I was looking for and switched of the UAC. But ooh, does it dissappear out of sight? No, it sets an icon in the bottom right corner that pops up a message once in while warning you the UAC is off. But the UAC doesn't bother me thát much. It's the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) which generally says: if you don't do it our way, you can take the highway. I tried to switch it off (again after a dozen mouse clicks and searching the Internet) and found what I was looking for. Unfortunately I still get the same message once in a while. (the message is find the problem via I-net and close or close) That's right, you can't choose to continue the program ! Does anybody know how to set the DEP completely off and while we're at it, how to get the full admin control... ? (any other tool I didn't discover yet?) tnx :-)

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      I installed Vista this weekend and I'm pretty dissappointed. It took as long as my Xp installation (I did an update, maybe installing from scratch is faster), but at first sight all went pretty well. It looks very nice. Then the first UAC come up, and the second, the third, ... so i searched the help how I could switch it off. After a dozen mouseclicks I found what I was looking for and switched of the UAC. But ooh, does it dissappear out of sight? No, it sets an icon in the bottom right corner that pops up a message once in while warning you the UAC is off. But the UAC doesn't bother me thát much. It's the DEP (Data Execution Prevention) which generally says: if you don't do it our way, you can take the highway. I tried to switch it off (again after a dozen mouse clicks and searching the Internet) and found what I was looking for. Unfortunately I still get the same message once in a while. (the message is find the problem via I-net and close or close) That's right, you can't choose to continue the program ! Does anybody know how to set the DEP completely off and while we're at it, how to get the full admin control... ? (any other tool I didn't discover yet?) tnx :-)

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      If you want full admin control then you have 2 choices. Either anable the Admin account and login using that, or give yourself admin rights. Personaly I think it's a bad idea to be using full admin rights for everyday activities. The UAC maybe a little annoying at times, but it does work. On more than one occasion it has prevented software doing things it shouldn't. In XP I would never have noticed, but then again I was stupid enough to use an admin account daily which ended up in XP running slower and being more bloated than need be.

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        If you want full admin control then you have 2 choices. Either anable the Admin account and login using that, or give yourself admin rights. Personaly I think it's a bad idea to be using full admin rights for everyday activities. The UAC maybe a little annoying at times, but it does work. On more than one occasion it has prevented software doing things it shouldn't. In XP I would never have noticed, but then again I was stupid enough to use an admin account daily which ended up in XP running slower and being more bloated than need be.

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        or give yourself admin rights

        The 'admin' rights aren't really admin in Vista, I read there is a 'real admin account', but haven't found yet how to enable it. :sigh:. Besides, yes the UAC might help at times, but not really for advanced users. Besides, the UAC isn't really what's bothering me. The DEP is... :-)

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          or give yourself admin rights

          The 'admin' rights aren't really admin in Vista, I read there is a 'real admin account', but haven't found yet how to enable it. :sigh:. Besides, yes the UAC might help at times, but not really for advanced users. Besides, the UAC isn't really what's bothering me. The DEP is... :-)

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          If you set your user account as an Administrator, and disable UAC, then you have the functional equivalent of an admin user in Windows XP. You won't be running with as an admin all the time, but anything that requires admin rights will automatically get elevated without user action. You will no longer need to choose "Run as Administrator" when launching programs, etc. Turning off DEP is the same as it was in Windows XP. Bring up the advanced system properties (go to Control Panel\System and Maintenance\System then click on the link on the side panel), go to the Advanced tab, choose Settings under Performance and then turn it off on the Data Execution Prevention page. If that doesn't work (it should) and you have hardware-enforced DEP you should be able to disable the NX/XD bit through your system BIOS. You mentioned you have already tried something but didn't say what you have tried.


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            If you set your user account as an Administrator, and disable UAC, then you have the functional equivalent of an admin user in Windows XP. You won't be running with as an admin all the time, but anything that requires admin rights will automatically get elevated without user action. You will no longer need to choose "Run as Administrator" when launching programs, etc. Turning off DEP is the same as it was in Windows XP. Bring up the advanced system properties (go to Control Panel\System and Maintenance\System then click on the link on the side panel), go to the Advanced tab, choose Settings under Performance and then turn it off on the Data Execution Prevention page. If that doesn't work (it should) and you have hardware-enforced DEP you should be able to disable the NX/XD bit through your system BIOS. You mentioned you have already tried something but didn't say what you have tried.


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            David Wulff wrote:

            You mentioned you have already tried something but didn't say what you have tried.

            Sorry :-) I've tried this: - to Control Panel\System and Maintenance\System then click on the link on the ... (I added Internet explorer to the trusted programs, windows Live messenger couldn't even be added) - and also a command line in the cmd prompt: "bcdedit.exe /set {current} nx AlwaysOff" (which propbably is equivalent to your second suggestion) yet the I-net explorer still stops at times. Maybe I just had to reboot after the cmd line... :-) tnx.

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              If you set your user account as an Administrator, and disable UAC, then you have the functional equivalent of an admin user in Windows XP. You won't be running with as an admin all the time, but anything that requires admin rights will automatically get elevated without user action. You will no longer need to choose "Run as Administrator" when launching programs, etc. Turning off DEP is the same as it was in Windows XP. Bring up the advanced system properties (go to Control Panel\System and Maintenance\System then click on the link on the side panel), go to the Advanced tab, choose Settings under Performance and then turn it off on the Data Execution Prevention page. If that doesn't work (it should) and you have hardware-enforced DEP you should be able to disable the NX/XD bit through your system BIOS. You mentioned you have already tried something but didn't say what you have tried.


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              OK, I'm back home and tried the crashing website. It works now, so probably a reboot was necessary :-).

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                OK, I'm back home and tried the crashing website. It works now, so probably a reboot was necessary :-).

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                To enable the admin account so that you can login directly as the admin, navigate to Control Panel -> Administrative tools -> Computer managment -> Local users and groups -> Users Right click admin and uncheck "account is disabled". You should now be able to logout/switch users.

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                  To enable the admin account so that you can login directly as the admin, navigate to Control Panel -> Administrative tools -> Computer managment -> Local users and groups -> Users Right click admin and uncheck "account is disabled". You should now be able to logout/switch users.

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                  tnx ;)

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