Torture: not just for muslims anymore
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Diego Moita wrote:
Those who trade freedom for safety...
Like you would know anything about how to acquire and keep freedom.
Diego Moita wrote:
I live in a country where torture is the only kind of investigation the police knows.
Than why don't you concern yourself with trading freedom for security in your own damn country and stop wasteing your time worrying about mine.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Spoken like a loyal subject!
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We hope the new Congress will be more aggressive on this issue than the last one So do I. Nothing would more throughly expose this idiotic leftist farce for what it trully is. But they won't because they know full well that the way the Bush administration is conducting the war on terrorism is the only way it can be waged and exactly the way they will have to wage it when it is their turn to take over. All the campaign rhetoric was just to win the election, not to actually change anything. And if they do go after this administration's tactics and another 9/11 occurs, they will be held accountable by the American people. There is no way the democrats are going to risk that.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Eleven? I am disappointed in you Stan. Even Red could manage an eleven. :(
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Diego Moita wrote:
Those who trade freedom for safety...
Like you would know anything about how to acquire and keep freedom.
Diego Moita wrote:
I live in a country where torture is the only kind of investigation the police knows.
Than why don't you concern yourself with trading freedom for security in your own damn country and stop wasteing your time worrying about mine.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Stan Shannon wrote:
Like you would know anything about how to acquire and keep freedom.
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why don't you concern yourself with trading freedom for security in your own damn country and stop wasteing your time worrying about mine.
Yeah, sure... Sieg heil!
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Like you would know anything about how to acquire and keep freedom.
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why don't you concern yourself with trading freedom for security in your own damn country and stop wasteing your time worrying about mine.
Yeah, sure... Sieg heil!
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonDiego Moita wrote:
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
I care as much as Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Woodrow Wilson and any number of other Americans, includeing George W. Bush, who understood what it takes to secure liberty. And it sure as heck has never been about being nice guys.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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Spoken like a loyal subject!
-- From the network that brought you "The Simpsons"
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Spoken like a loyal subject!
At least loyal enough to not join every possible effort to undermine my country's legitimate efforts to defend itself.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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Diego Moita wrote:
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
I care as much as Abraham Lincoln, FDR, Woodrow Wilson and any number of other Americans, includeing George W. Bush, who understood what it takes to secure liberty. And it sure as heck has never been about being nice guys.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Stan Shannon wrote:
I care as much as ... George W. Bush, who understood what it takes to secure liberty.
There are 2 kinds of people that are impossible to argue with: the brilliant and the lunatic. It is left as an exercise for the reader to decide which of the 2 defines Stan Shannon.
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
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Stan Shannon wrote:
I care as much as ... George W. Bush, who understood what it takes to secure liberty.
There are 2 kinds of people that are impossible to argue with: the brilliant and the lunatic. It is left as an exercise for the reader to decide which of the 2 defines Stan Shannon.
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK Chesterton -
Stan Shannon wrote:
I care as much as ... George W. Bush, who understood what it takes to secure liberty.
There are 2 kinds of people that are impossible to argue with: the brilliant and the lunatic. It is left as an exercise for the reader to decide which of the 2 defines Stan Shannon.
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonDiego Moita wrote:
the brilliant and the lunatic
I'm pretty sure that complaining about injustice in the US from Brazil pretty much defines lunacy.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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We hope the new Congress will be more aggressive on this issue than the last one So do I. Nothing would more throughly expose this idiotic leftist farce for what it trully is. But they won't because they know full well that the way the Bush administration is conducting the war on terrorism is the only way it can be waged and exactly the way they will have to wage it when it is their turn to take over. All the campaign rhetoric was just to win the election, not to actually change anything. And if they do go after this administration's tactics and another 9/11 occurs, they will be held accountable by the American people. There is no way the democrats are going to risk that.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
The article presumes this didn't happen before 9/11. silly. You presume that it didn't happen, or is ok to happen, or what? That it has something to do with elections and politics? silly3
Stan Shannon wrote:
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Me too :)
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The article presumes this didn't happen before 9/11. silly. You presume that it didn't happen, or is ok to happen, or what? That it has something to do with elections and politics? silly3
Stan Shannon wrote:
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Me too :)
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or what?
The only thing I presume is that most people are intelligent enough to appreciate one basic fact. Namely, that there is no method for effectively dealing with terrorism that will be perfect, and which does not negatively impact innocent people. There is simply no way to defeat evil of any kind that does not contain a significant risk of causing harm to the innocent. If not harming the innocent is your one and only priority than there is simply nothing you can do to defeat who ever it is you need to defeat. If we are going to bring down an administration for harming the innocent in an honest attempt to successfully deal with this situation, than we have really hamstrung any possibility we might have of doing anything at all to win against the terrorists. No one who was intelligent enough to acquire a position of leadership in the first place is going to also be stupid enough to do that. One can only conclude, therefore, that articles such as the one cited, are not trying to actually change anything other than the political center of gravity within the United States.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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Diego Moita wrote:
the brilliant and the lunatic
I'm pretty sure that complaining about injustice in the US from Brazil pretty much defines lunacy.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Ahh.. what a masterpiece! What a rebutal! Damn! You're on a roll today!
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Are Navy whistle-blowers also terrorists? From NYTimes[^]
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonIt is a shame that the individuals responsible do not recognise that you lose the moral high ground the moment that you operate at the level of the people that you supposedly abhor. Attempts to introduce democracy to a region should demonstrate why democracy is the best choice. This means that rule of law must be at the forefront, and that all people should be treated as equals. If all are treated fairly, then terrorists lose support at the ground level. This is not an anti-American rant, it just points out what happens when the people on the ground aren't listened too and respected. (And coming from Britain, we know a thing or two about creating terrorists).
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Those who trade freedom for safety... Oh well, you won't care, anyway. You probably didn't even read the article to understand that it is not the "war on terrorism" anymore, it was just to hide corruption. I know something about torture, I live in a country where torture is the only kind of investigation the police knows. What happens after years of routine practice of it is that the police becomes alike to gangsters both in reality and in people's eyes. And then you'll need to fear not only the gangsters but the police, also. When the police become gangsters you don't live in a society, it doesn't even look like a country.
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonJust because an article appears int the NY 'Slimes' doesn't lend this story any credibility! We know which way this paper leans. And those blaring lights and noise are just HORRIFIC!! You ought to study how our POWs in Vietnam were treated to have ANY IDEA what TORTURE is!!! When bones are broken and left to heal on their own, that's torture. When your body is broken into pieces, that's torture. When they use electric prods on your genitals so that you can never use them again, that's torture. YOU DON'T HAVE A CLUE! Please stop whining about US torture. It's nothing compared to what is really going on in the rest of the world. And when it becomes your turn to be attacked, let's see how you react and handle "the problem"!!
John P.
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Stan Shannon wrote:
Like you would know anything about how to acquire and keep freedom.
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
Stan Shannon wrote:
Than why don't you concern yourself with trading freedom for security in your own damn country and stop wasteing your time worrying about mine.
Yeah, sure... Sieg heil!
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonDiego Moita wrote:
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
Not to be nit-picky here, but these actions are happening in a war zone. Ever heard the saying, "All is fair in love and war"? The article talks about American rule of law, however, it fails to realize that in a war zone outside of US soil, there is no such law. The only law that these soldiers have is the code of military justice. What the article truly fails at is understanding the words "war" and "soldier".
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
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Diego Moita wrote:
Like you'd care anything about freedom and rule of the law.
Not to be nit-picky here, but these actions are happening in a war zone. Ever heard the saying, "All is fair in love and war"? The article talks about American rule of law, however, it fails to realize that in a war zone outside of US soil, there is no such law. The only law that these soldiers have is the code of military justice. What the article truly fails at is understanding the words "war" and "soldier".
If you decide to become a software engineer, you are signing up to have a 1/2" piece of silicon tell you exactly how stupid you really are for 8 hours a day, 5 days a week Zac
Zac Howland wrote:
these actions are happening in a war zone
:confused: Wasn't the article referring to Chicago?
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peterchen wrote:
or what?
The only thing I presume is that most people are intelligent enough to appreciate one basic fact. Namely, that there is no method for effectively dealing with terrorism that will be perfect, and which does not negatively impact innocent people. There is simply no way to defeat evil of any kind that does not contain a significant risk of causing harm to the innocent. If not harming the innocent is your one and only priority than there is simply nothing you can do to defeat who ever it is you need to defeat. If we are going to bring down an administration for harming the innocent in an honest attempt to successfully deal with this situation, than we have really hamstrung any possibility we might have of doing anything at all to win against the terrorists. No one who was intelligent enough to acquire a position of leadership in the first place is going to also be stupid enough to do that. One can only conclude, therefore, that articles such as the one cited, are not trying to actually change anything other than the political center of gravity within the United States.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Stan Shannon wrote:
Namely, that there is no method for effectively dealing with terrorism that will be perfect, and which does not negatively impact innocent people.
I agree with the general idea. Imprisoning someone innocent is "collateral damage". The whole torture system is not. It's the embodiment of everything you try to defeat. It is a pity that as it seems the only thing you care about is what this means for your administration, not what it means for you as a country.
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Zac Howland wrote:
these actions are happening in a war zone
:confused: Wasn't the article referring to Chicago?
'My country, right or wrong' is a thing no patriot would ever think of saying except in a desperate case. It is like saying 'My mother, drunk or sober.'
GK ChestertonDiego Moita wrote:
Wasn't the article referring to Chicago?
Exactly ;P You obviously have never been to Chicago :laugh:
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