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David Wulff wrote:
How else are we supposed to feel good and scream "Yee Haw!"
I don't think it's even about "feeling good". I find it disturbingly perverse that our "advanced culture" has reached these lows. I've seen nonsense in the news, but this is sick. Public executions were a spectacle of the middle ages. I'd like to think that 1000 years later we would have made some progress, but apparently we have regressed.
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
I find it disturbingly perverse that our "advanced culture" has reached these lows.
I'd like to know how we can regard our culture as advanced? Our society may have more fancy gadgetory than our ancestors, but that does not make us advanced, we are still the same human beings, and have not evolved into anything else, we still have the same flaws in our make up as our ancestors. Where our ancestors would have to walk across town to watch an execution we choose to watch it on TV. Wait for all the Sports games to start then we'll all forget about Saddam, and worry more about how our teams Stirker/Flanker/Shooter, whatever sport witl preform, Saddam is jsut to get us past Midday!!
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David Wulff wrote:
How else are we supposed to feel good and scream "Yee Haw!"
I don't think it's even about "feeling good". I find it disturbingly perverse that our "advanced culture" has reached these lows. I've seen nonsense in the news, but this is sick. Public executions were a spectacle of the middle ages. I'd like to think that 1000 years later we would have made some progress, but apparently we have regressed.
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
Public executions were a spectacle of the middle ages.
In some places of the world they still are, you should know that. Revenge and retribution are big adrenaline pumpers if you turn your cheek to the immorality of it all.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
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For my part, I think all executions should be made public just the way they used to be - on the public green. If we are going to do it, we might as well be proud of it. Maybe have a little party or something.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
Public executions were a spectacle of the middle ages. I'd like to think that 1000 years later we would have made some progress, but apparently we have regressed.
Were you there? Nobody can truly say how it made the people feel. They could have felt the same as you do now.
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No one can understand the truth until he drinks of coffee's frothy goodness. ~Sheik Abd-al-Kadir
I can't always be wrong ... or can I?CaveFox wrote:
Were you there? Nobody can truly say how it made the people feel. They could have felt the same as you do now.
No, I obviously wasn't there, but the historical records indicate that they were public spectacles. Read the first-hand accounts about the execution of Jacques de Molay, for one example among many.
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
Public executions were a spectacle of the middle ages.
In some places of the world they still are, you should know that. Revenge and retribution are big adrenaline pumpers if you turn your cheek to the immorality of it all.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
In some places of the world they still are, you should know that. Revenge and retribution are big adrenaline pumpers if you turn your cheek to the immorality of it all.
Yes, I suppose. Maybe I set my expectations too high.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this sh*t and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts!
Beyond the picture on the BBC News home-page, I've not seen any imagery of the execution. I've read some accounts of his last hours, and these have sickened me enough.
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The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this sh*t and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts!
Beyond the picture on the BBC News home-page, I've not seen any imagery of the execution. I've read some accounts of his last hours, and these have sickened me enough.
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CNN seem to have various videos on their web site, and Fox News is running wild with, unsurprisingly, a full video of Saddam's execution. I hear Fox is running a rebate for the cost of any bullets you let off while watching the video, although they remind you that firing within city limits is not advisable, and you may want to go outside first. :rolleyes: Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milk -
...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
Do as I do when I have some minutes. Go Youtube and search for "Dispersal facility" and watch a Quake IV playthrough. -:D
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CNN seem to have various videos on their web site, and Fox News is running wild with, unsurprisingly, a full video of Saddam's execution. I hear Fox is running a rebate for the cost of any bullets you let off while watching the video, although they remind you that firing within city limits is not advisable, and you may want to go outside first. :rolleyes: Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
At first I thought you were taking the piss, but I had a look at the Sun and I've come to the conclusion that they are their own best parody.
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David Wulff wrote:
Does The Sun run on a Saturday? If so they must be really pissed. On their web site they have already had to push their "WISHING YOU A HAPPY NUDE YEAR" and "CAR PARKS OF GREAT BRITAIN" breaking features into secondary news slots, leaving millions of Britains unable to find their daily 'news'.
At first I thought you were taking the piss, but I had a look at the Sun and I've come to the conclusion that they are their own best parody.
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It is almost impossible to take the piss out of the Sun and it's readers because everything you could think up is actually true. And they are proud of it too. It's like the Daily Sport, only the Sun tries to pretend it is a serious tabloid. Talking of the Daily Sport/Sunday Sport, here is a quick game. Which of the following has not been a front page headline in 2006: DONKEY ROBS BANK 40 YEAR OLD BABY ATE MY CAT WORLD WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON MOON MY KINKY ORGY WITH ICE CREAM CAKE If you answered the last one you would be correct. Although it appeared on the front page, the headline that day was in fact "STATUE OF ELVIS FOUND ON MARS". And they let these people vote (and breed)?"
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
One reason might be that those that sanction or agree with this should also have to bear the consequence of having to watch it. Conversely it may be that seeing enough of executions will elicit the people to stop them. Some hope. This is not to justify, merely to offer an explanation.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
The Apocalyptic Teacup wrote:
This world is nuts
And Suddam WAS its leader...
Epitaph: Foolish humans, never escaped Earth.- Vernor Vinge
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It is almost impossible to take the piss out of the Sun and it's readers because everything you could think up is actually true. And they are proud of it too. It's like the Daily Sport, only the Sun tries to pretend it is a serious tabloid. Talking of the Daily Sport/Sunday Sport, here is a quick game. Which of the following has not been a front page headline in 2006: DONKEY ROBS BANK 40 YEAR OLD BABY ATE MY CAT WORLD WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON MOON MY KINKY ORGY WITH ICE CREAM CAKE If you answered the last one you would be correct. Although it appeared on the front page, the headline that day was in fact "STATUE OF ELVIS FOUND ON MARS". And they let these people vote (and breed)?"
Ðavid Wulff What kind of music should programmers listen to?
Join the Code Project Last.fm group | dwulff
I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
DONKEY ROBS BANK 40 YEAR OLD BABY ATE MY CAT WORLD WAR II BOMBER FOUND ON MOON MY KINKY ORGY WITH ICE CREAM CAKE
More children's book titles?
Epitaph: Foolish humans, never escaped Earth.- Vernor Vinge
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For my part, I think all executions should be made public just the way they used to be - on the public green. If we are going to do it, we might as well be proud of it. Maybe have a little party or something.
I find it odd that we celebrate diversity by trying to do away with it
Let's burn the witches too!!
-- For proper viewing, take red pill now
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Let's burn the witches too!!
-- For proper viewing, take red pill now
Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Let's burn the witches too!!
:laugh: Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us. Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches? Peasant 1: Burn them. Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches? Peasant 1: More witches. Peasant 2: Wood. Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn? Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood? Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood? Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her. Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone? Peasant 1: Oh yeah. Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water? Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond! Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water? Peasant 1: Bread. Peasant 2: Apples. Peasant 3: Very small rocks. Peasant 1: Cider. Peasant 2: Gravy. Peasant 3: Cherries. Peasant 1: Mud. Peasant 2: Churches. Peasant 3: Lead! Lead! King Arthur: A Duck. Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically... Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood. Sir Bedevere: And therefore... Peasant 2: ...A witch!
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
By a strange coincidence, I've literally just shown the video to my mother. I felt that it was very important for her to see whar was being done in her name. I felt it was important for her to see what "Saddam Hanged" really meant. I was proud of her that she was disgusted, but I still think that it's important for people to be aware of what things like this really mean...
"Now I guess I'll sit back and watch people misinterpret what I just said......" Christian Graus At The Soapbox
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...do I have to see still photos of the last few minutes before Saddam's execution on every major news media outlet website? This is bloody ridiculous! How do I explain this to a child, why is this even necessary? It's sufficient to report the news without having to show me the pictures or, even worse, the bloody video. Somehow these news agencies get off on selling this shit and I find it pathetic that you have to televise death to get ratings. Whatever happened to journalistic integrity? This world is nuts! X|
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
I've avoided watching the news today because I was warned that the walk up to the execution was being shown. If the media (in the UK) won't show the walk from some prison in Texas, why is it acceptable to show Saddam's last minutes.
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Joergen Sigvardsson wrote:
Let's burn the witches too!!
:laugh: Sir Bedevere: There are ways of telling whether she is a witch. Peasant 1: Are there? Oh well, tell us. Sir Bedevere: Tell me. What do you do with witches? Peasant 1: Burn them. Sir Bedevere: And what do you burn, apart from witches? Peasant 1: More witches. Peasant 2: Wood. Sir Bedevere: Good. Now, why do witches burn? Peasant 3: ...because they're made of... wood? Sir Bedevere: Good. So how do you tell whether she is made of wood? Peasant 1: Build a bridge out of her. Sir Bedevere: But can you not also build bridges out of stone? Peasant 1: Oh yeah. Sir Bedevere: Does wood sink in water? Peasant 1: No, no, it floats!... It floats! Throw her into the pond! Sir Bedevere: No, no. What else floats in water? Peasant 1: Bread. Peasant 2: Apples. Peasant 3: Very small rocks. Peasant 1: Cider. Peasant 2: Gravy. Peasant 3: Cherries. Peasant 1: Mud. Peasant 2: Churches. Peasant 3: Lead! Lead! King Arthur: A Duck. Sir Bedevere: ...Exactly. So, logically... Peasant 1: If she weighed the same as a duck... she's made of wood. Sir Bedevere: And therefore... Peasant 2: ...A witch!
"Outlook not so good." That magic 8-ball knows everything! I'll ask about Exchange Server next.
You know.. Stan would fit in very well in those times. Dirty death cheering peasant. :)
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
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You know.. Stan would fit in very well in those times. Dirty death cheering peasant. :)
-- Mr. Bender's Wardrobe by ROBOTANY 500
I don't know in what spirit Stan made his comment - I suspect somewhat tongue-in-cheek - but he has a point: if you are going to do something (such as the death penalty, as some States do) then at least have the honesty to do it openly and in public - *make* people face the reality of their (political) decisions, and hopefully they will make better ones in thre future. Whether you are for the death penalty or against it, I think there is a good argument for carrying them out in public. Fred