Birthdate field on "My Setting"
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Bradml wrote:
By I don't really care that much about this. I am a user, not the coder, so don't question my development methods because I don't care about someone else's mistake.
See, it is an attitude thing. Are we in a loop here?
I guess so... The statement that you quoted there was mis-interperated i fear. I, as a user of this product, am not worried about the bug. I understand that Chris has a lot to do and you cannot expect him to catch everything. I would like to see it fixed, but there is no rush. As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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I guess so... The statement that you quoted there was mis-interperated i fear. I, as a user of this product, am not worried about the bug. I understand that Chris has a lot to do and you cannot expect him to catch everything. I would like to see it fixed, but there is no rush. As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
"No man is an island, entire of itself..." You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat. People can't get along unless they first agree to objective standards of behavior. And that's all I'm promoting in this thread. Look above. Some guy reported the bug and I said nothing. (It would, of course, be better if there was a "bug forum" so bug reports didn't have to go in the suggestion box, but that suggestion has been made before. And if they haven't got it after seven years, I guess they just don't get it.) I objected to the "work around" suggested in the first reply; I saw this as a very bad thing. "Work arounds" are what allow bugs to persist; without a "work around", there is much more pressure to do the right thing and fix the problem. In short, "striving for excellence" and "work arounds" are incompatible terms. Pick one.
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Bradml wrote:
As a developer I don't care about a piece of software I have nothing to do with.
"No man is an island, entire of itself..." You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat. People can't get along unless they first agree to objective standards of behavior. And that's all I'm promoting in this thread. Look above. Some guy reported the bug and I said nothing. (It would, of course, be better if there was a "bug forum" so bug reports didn't have to go in the suggestion box, but that suggestion has been made before. And if they haven't got it after seven years, I guess they just don't get it.) I objected to the "work around" suggested in the first reply; I saw this as a very bad thing. "Work arounds" are what allow bugs to persist; without a "work around", there is much more pressure to do the right thing and fix the problem. In short, "striving for excellence" and "work arounds" are incompatible terms. Pick one.
The Grand Negus wrote:
You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat.
But I don't. I don't give a rats ass about not being able to remove my DOB from my profile(not that it is up there). As long as I can still post to the boards and read the articles I don't care. If at any time Chris asked me for help then I would care, but at this point in time I do not.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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The Grand Negus wrote:
You should care. About everything. We're all in the same boat.
But I don't. I don't give a rats ass about not being able to remove my DOB from my profile(not that it is up there). As long as I can still post to the boards and read the articles I don't care. If at any time Chris asked me for help then I would care, but at this point in time I do not.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
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You are yet to explain what is wrong about the fact that I don't mind a mistake.
Brad Australian - Christian Graus on "Best books for VBscript" A big thick one, so you can whack yourself on the head with it.
Bradml wrote:
You are yet to explain what is wrong about the fact that I don't mind a mistake.
People either act on (1) principle or on (2) expediency. The principle here is that "bugs should be fixed". Period. But expediency says, "It doesn't concern me, so I don't care; Am I my brother's keeper?". Now consider: A man is being robbed outside your window. Principle says, "This is wrong. Rescue him." But expediency says, "It doesn't concern me, so I don't care." And please don't argue that this is different in kind; it is only different in degree. Like the girl who agrees to sell herself for a million dollars and then balks when the guy decides to pay only five. "What kind of a girl do you think I am?" she says; and he (rightly) replies: "We've already determined that. We're just quibbling about the price." He that is faithful in small things, will be faithful in large. If you are not faithful in that which is another mans', who will give you that which is your own?
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Is that really the best the premier "Visual Studio and .NET" site can muster?
I see what you are trying to do Osmo - but it's not working. The right question is, "how good would a site's content and community have to be, if it's the #1 site in the world for its technology area despite minor inconveniences such as an inability to change the date of birth setting" :-)
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)I think the Negus has a point even if he is somewhat lacking in tact. I like the CodeProject as much as anyone but the truth is the truth.
Steve
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Bradml wrote:
Chris has other things to worry about
Perhaps. And there's all that biking, too. But you're missing the point. Basic add, change, and delete capability is something that should be provided at the very start. Oversights like this one - and there are many similar problems with this site - should not have made it (as I said before) past beta testing. No user in his right mind would accept such a thing; do your clients let you get away with work so sloppy? I hope not. "Well, Mr. Businessman, we're sorry you can't update the phone numbers, and when you delete a dependent sometimes it works and sometimes it doesn't, but look how nice those payroll checks look!" Nonsense. We're the users of this program, and we have a right to demand more of our developer. Especially since he claims to be working with the best technologies available.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Perhaps. And there's all that biking, too.
A bit venomous isn't it?
Steve
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Perhaps. And there's all that biking, too.
A bit venomous isn't it?
Steve
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Stephen Hewitt wrote:
A bit venomous isn't it?
Like Brad said elsewhere in this thread, it a matter of prioritizing.
The Grand Negus wrote:
Like Brad said elsewhere in this thread, it a matter of prioritizing.
What, and business always rates before pleasure?
Steve
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The Grand Negus wrote:
Like Brad said elsewhere in this thread, it a matter of prioritizing.
What, and business always rates before pleasure?
Steve
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I think the Negus has a point even if he is somewhat lacking in tact. I like the CodeProject as much as anyone but the truth is the truth.
Steve
Stephen Hewitt wrote:
I think the Negus has a point even if he is somewhat lacking in tact. I like the CodeProject as much as anyone but the truth is the truth.
Thank you. And perhaps you'll find this quote, from my master Niklaus Wirth, a bit more tactful: "'Good enough software' is rarely good enough. It is a sad manifestation of the spirit of modern times, in which an individual's pride in his/her work has become rare. The idea that one might derive satisfaction from his or her successful work, because that work is ingenious, beautiful, or just pleasing, has become ridiculed. Nothing but economic success and monetary reward is acceptable. Hence our occupations have become mere jobs. But quality of work can be expected only through personal satisfaction, dedication and enjoyment. In our profession, precision and perfection are not a dispensable luxury, but a simple necessity." The curious thing is that I stumbled on this quote in an article posted here[^].
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And Chris replied, "Why do you always act like a jerk?".
Chris Meech I am Canadian. [heard in a local bar] I agree with you that my argument is useless. [Red Stateler] Hey, I am part of a special bread, we are called smart people [Captain See Sharp] The zen of the soapbox is hard to attain...[Jörgen Sigvardsson] I wish I could remember what it was like to only have a short term memory.[David Kentley]
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prasad_som wrote:
If you try to delete the b'date from your profile. It saves settings without any problem, but again shows deleted b'date in your profile.
It's been that way for a while now. A workaround is to set it to a wrong date like Jan 1 2000 and leave it at that.
Regards, Nish
Nish’s thoughts on MFC, C++/CLI and .NET (my blog)
Currently working on C++/CLI in Action for Manning Publications. (*Sample chapter available online*)This issue seems to be fixed.
Prasad Notifier using ATL | Operator new[],delete[][^]