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Captain See Sharp wrote:
why don't you think we will have another ice age?
On the contrary Heinze, I do think there will be another ice age. My comment was regarding why you think that refutes global warming. Maybe it is the name that is confusing you? Global warming. I know it takes some passing intelligence to understand the concept credited to that term, but I'm sure even you are able to read? Heck, they even have coloured pictures to look at now, so you really have no excuse for being this dumb.
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I'm so gangsta I eat cereal without the milkDavid Wulff wrote:
Global warming
is no longer, "in" - remember, now we're to be frightened of, "climate change".
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Josh Gray wrote:
If the current change is 1000's of times greater than anything recorded over the last few 100,000 years would you be concerned?
Concerned? sure. hell, I'm concerned now. However, I bet I'm not as concerned as prehistoric man was when he saw glaciers encroaching or subsequently when he saw glaciers retreating. Here's the deal, is today's climate ok for you? Frankly I prefer the climate in the 50's and 60's when I was a kid. You might prefer the climate as it existed five years ago, or maybe next year's climate. Is it bad all over? Maybe it's cooling in the outback while it is warming at the North and South poles, is that bad? And why should I listen to the hysteria that claims we have a problem. 20 years ago I was told we're heading for an ice age. a couple of years ago the earth was warming. now we've decided on climate change, and I agree with that , it is obvious. But who is the prescient authority we should follow, and just how do you or Chris or anyone else honestly know what is right for the earth?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
We don't know if in the long term Global Warming is good or bad for the earth. However it does seem as if it will be a major problem for US over the next century or so. More generally, we seem to be seeing massive species loss. That's very sad. In the very long term it may not be a problem, we've seen worse in the past. However I'm kind of more bothered about the short term as neither I nor my immediate descendants are going to be around that long. I suspect that both the human race and the ecosystem will survic=ve the immediate crises. Probably m,assive global war is more of a tyhreat. However if global warming is a reality then there are going to be some very large population movements and probably resultant wars.
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Christian Graus wrote:
Anything is problematic only to those inconvenienced by it...
unless of course you can tell the future and can see a later inconvenience. I also understand that with interlocking economies and governmental entities, if one of us is inconvenienced by something like climate change, then there is a significant number of who are inconvenienced as well. The whole point of what I am trying, did try, to say is that yep there is change but I seriously doubt that any supposed cure will do anything other than cause even more problems - and, change is constant anyway, and just how do you know how to fine tune a climate when you can't even predict the weather?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
It's not a matter of fine tuning, the worry is that it is going to go off the rails completely. Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C. We don't really know why they are so different, but it does have a lot of greenhouse gasses. .
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Can convicted felons vote? Why aren't they allowed to vote now?
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Josh Gray wrote:
If the current change is 1000's of times greater than anything recorded over the last few 100,000 years would you be concerned?
Concerned? sure. hell, I'm concerned now. However, I bet I'm not as concerned as prehistoric man was when he saw glaciers encroaching or subsequently when he saw glaciers retreating. Here's the deal, is today's climate ok for you? Frankly I prefer the climate in the 50's and 60's when I was a kid. You might prefer the climate as it existed five years ago, or maybe next year's climate. Is it bad all over? Maybe it's cooling in the outback while it is warming at the North and South poles, is that bad? And why should I listen to the hysteria that claims we have a problem. 20 years ago I was told we're heading for an ice age. a couple of years ago the earth was warming. now we've decided on climate change, and I agree with that , it is obvious. But who is the prescient authority we should follow, and just how do you or Chris or anyone else honestly know what is right for the earth?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Mike Gaskey wrote:
and just how do you or Chris or anyone else honestly know what is right for the earth?
Who's to say there is a single 'right' for the earth. Like eveyone else Im selfish. Sydney harbour is about 100 meters from my front door, I dont want to swim to work.
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You are completely right, we should even stop the production of soda pop or at least tax it so heavy that people will not buy it. Soda has CO2 in it:laugh:
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
You are completely right, we should even stop the production of soda pop or at least tax it so heavy that people will not buy it. Soda has CO2 in it
So does your arse, stop talking out of it
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Christian Graus wrote:
Anything is problematic only to those inconvenienced by it...
unless of course you can tell the future and can see a later inconvenience. I also understand that with interlocking economies and governmental entities, if one of us is inconvenienced by something like climate change, then there is a significant number of who are inconvenienced as well. The whole point of what I am trying, did try, to say is that yep there is change but I seriously doubt that any supposed cure will do anything other than cause even more problems - and, change is constant anyway, and just how do you know how to fine tune a climate when you can't even predict the weather?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
*grin* I wasn't trying to do anything more deep than comment on how obvious the statement was...
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Josh Gray wrote:
If the current change is 1000's of times greater than anything recorded over the last few 100,000 years would you be concerned?
Concerned? sure. hell, I'm concerned now. However, I bet I'm not as concerned as prehistoric man was when he saw glaciers encroaching or subsequently when he saw glaciers retreating. Here's the deal, is today's climate ok for you? Frankly I prefer the climate in the 50's and 60's when I was a kid. You might prefer the climate as it existed five years ago, or maybe next year's climate. Is it bad all over? Maybe it's cooling in the outback while it is warming at the North and South poles, is that bad? And why should I listen to the hysteria that claims we have a problem. 20 years ago I was told we're heading for an ice age. a couple of years ago the earth was warming. now we've decided on climate change, and I agree with that , it is obvious. But who is the prescient authority we should follow, and just how do you or Chris or anyone else honestly know what is right for the earth?
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
Maybe no one knows exactly whats going on, but the fact that we are slowly destroying the only planet we know of that is able to support life should tell us that we should probably stop...that is if we want to have a human race in the future...but hey maybe we don't, who am I or anyone else on here to say people might want to stay alive and not extinct. Sometimes we have to make decisions, who cares who the 'leading authority' is, why do we need someone to follow, it's fairly obvious whats happening, do we really need someone to tell us in order for there to be a need to do something about it?
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Maybe no one knows exactly whats going on, but the fact that we are slowly destroying the only planet we know of that is able to support life should tell us that we should probably stop...that is if we want to have a human race in the future...but hey maybe we don't, who am I or anyone else on here to say people might want to stay alive and not extinct. Sometimes we have to make decisions, who cares who the 'leading authority' is, why do we need someone to follow, it's fairly obvious whats happening, do we really need someone to tell us in order for there to be a need to do something about it?
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
Polymorpher wrote:
Sometimes we have to make decisions, who cares who the 'leading authority' is, why do we need someone to follow, it's fairly obvious whats happening, do we really need someone to tell us in order for there to be a need to do something about it?
Well, just what are the decisions? Europe and the US, maybe Canada and Australia should cranks back our economies while China and India crank up theirs? See, that would be the altruistic thing to do, let the newer economies grow and pollute until they catch up - then they'll pull theirs back and we can all sing around the campfire.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Global warming is just a bunch of overly hyped BS. Its just a way to get you to hand over your wallet in the name of the polar bears and the future children of the world who wont be able to chase butterflies in tall grassy fields if we don't pay up. I won't fall for it and I don't care what people tell me. I won't believe it until I experience warm(60F) rainy days in February for more than one year. Right now its much colder than the average temperature and it snowing like crazy like a normal winter day.
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LOL, I wont belive it till its too late to try and stop it and people are dying from it
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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Mike Gaskey wrote:
except to those inconvenienced by it
Yeah, I'd categorise droughts that never end as inconvenient. "it's not happening to me so who cares". Brilliant attitude. If you're attitude was "it's not yet happening to me and if it does then there's nothing I can do about it because I think it's a natural occurance and not something we can control and we are, and always will be, at the whim of nature and we should just get over it and do our best to adapt"...then I'd have more respect.
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Chris Maunder wrote:
"it's not yet happening to me and if it does then there's nothing I can do about it because I think it's a natural occurance and not something we can control and we are, and always will be, at the whim of nature and we should just get over it and do our best to adapt".
You must admit that this attitude requires a lot of focus and isn't for the short-winded.
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*grin* I wasn't trying to do anything more deep than comment on how obvious the statement was...
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Christian Graus wrote:
*grin* I wasn't trying to do anything more deep than comment on how obvious the statement was...
but it was fun!
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
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Polymorpher wrote:
Sometimes we have to make decisions, who cares who the 'leading authority' is, why do we need someone to follow, it's fairly obvious whats happening, do we really need someone to tell us in order for there to be a need to do something about it?
Well, just what are the decisions? Europe and the US, maybe Canada and Australia should cranks back our economies while China and India crank up theirs? See, that would be the altruistic thing to do, let the newer economies grow and pollute until they catch up - then they'll pull theirs back and we can all sing around the campfire.
Mike The NYT - my leftist brochure. dennisd45: My view of the world is slightly more nuanced dennisd45 (the NAMBLA supporter) wrote: I know exactly what it means. So shut up you mother killing baby raper.
We don't lead those country's, and if they are unwilling to help in the effort then so be it we can still do what we can...thats like saying if you see someone about to fall off a bridge your not going to help them because 'no one else really cares so why should I'. I don't care what other people are doing, I want to do my best to be sure my children and there children, etc will always have a planet to live on...I don't think some people realize the scale of what is being gambled with, the only place in the universe that we know of that can support life is being destroyed, and we are sitting back saying 'well its not that bad yet'
Apparently it's not OK to start a bonfire of Microsoft products in the aisles of CompUSA even though the Linuxrulz web site says so
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It's not a matter of fine tuning, the worry is that it is going to go off the rails completely. Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C. We don't really know why they are so different, but it does have a lot of greenhouse gasses. .
Ægidius Ahenobarbus wrote:
Look at Venus, a similar planet to ours with surface temperatures of 200 deg C
Does being 41 million km closer to the sun help that any? :)
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Josh Gray wrote:
Its been unusually cool here as well this summer but to imply that weather in any single specific location is representative of the overall climate is foolish I think.
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
hmm I saw a show the other night where the scientists obtained global warming evidence from ice cores. Aren't those cores regional?
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Christian Graus wrote:
I never got to chase any tall grassy fields.
I meant to say IN tall grassy fields. Its just what I imagine when people say "its for the children" or bring children into a political subject. Oh its for the children. Oh ok I will do anything for the children, I don't want to be viewed as a scumbag for not helping the children. Ok we will need your wallet and freedoms and whatever else you have. Oh yes, whatever you say as long as its for the children and polar bears.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
I don't want to be viewed as a scumbag for not helping the children
You won't be. Just your usual ignorant self spouting off about that which you don't understand.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
No, common sense. I will not be a victim of political manipulation. Whether or not the earth's temperature rose by a few degrees or not. Its not an inferno, not until the nukes go off.
Common sense…. Surely common sense dictates that an expert on some subject knows more about it than a layman and as such his opinion should be valued over that of the layman; even if the layman happens to be you! If 1000's of experts concur then the argument – common sense would dictate – is all the stronger. The earth is a big system and as such has lots of “momentum”. By the time the problem is evident to stubborn small minded people such as yourself it’s too late to fix it on any reasonable time scale.
Steve
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
hmm I saw a show the other night where the scientists obtained global warming evidence from ice cores. Aren't those cores regional?
Mark Salsbery wrote:
where the scientists obtained global warming evidence from ice cores. Aren't those cores regional?
The evidence in the ice cores is contained in air bubbles. It gives a snapshot of the atmospheric composition at points in the past. The ice is local but atmospheric composition is global.
The evolution of the human genome is too important to be left to chance idiots like CSS.
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Josh Gray wrote:
Its been unusually cool here as well this summer but to imply that weather in any single specific location is representative of the overall climate is foolish I think.
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
Why? Its called GLOBAL warming, not regional warming.
“Global warming” is a simple name given to a complex phenomenon. You can’t expect a catchy two word name to capture all the complexities of global warming any more than you should think that the name Henize captures all aspects of your personality. Here’s something I think you should be able to grasp however: “global warning” referrs to the average global temperature. The average can increase even though some of the individual elements that comprise the average decrease.
Steve
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Josh Gray wrote:
And thats exactly why saying "well...its not warm where I am right now" is stupid.
The whole global warming this is stupid, its a scam. What are people going to think of global warming when we enter an ice age?
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Captain See Sharp wrote:
The whole global warming this is stupid, its a scam. What are people going to think of global warming when we enter an ice age?
The two (global warming and another ice age) need not be incompatible. Many scientists believe that the global climate is a metastable system and as such global warming triggering an ice age ice not a contradiction or even necessarily particularly surprising. Do some reading and stop thinking so simplistically based on nothing but (underdeveloped) intuition.
Steve